Where's the justice?!!

hairyprincess · 07-06-2012 10:08PM #1

Sweet Jebus, this has seriously put my blood pressure up :mad:

tl;dr: Trinity student, now lecturer walks free after giving a guy a fractured skull, facial palsy, hearing loss, a broken pelvis and left him needing plastic surgery :mad:

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/trinity-lecturer-avoids-jail-for-throwing-man-down-15ft-drop-554535.html

A Trinity College lecturer has been given a suspended sentence for throwing a man down a 15ft drop causing him severe head injuries.

John Whipple (aged 35) claimed he attacked the victim because he had urinated on his shoes.

When an onlooker asked him why he had thrown the man over the wall, Whipple replied by shrugging his shoulders.

His victim was left with a fractured skull, bleeding on the brain and facial palsy. He spent two months in hospital and was unable to close his eyes or hear for six months.

Whipple of Ashley Avenue, Swords but originally from America, pleaded guilty at Dublin Circuit Criminal Court to causing serious harm to John Kennedy at Lower Abbey Street on February 11, 2011.

Judge Martin Nolan said it was unfortunate that there was a 15ft drop behind the railings. He accepted that Whipple probably did not realise how substantial the fall was but did know there was at least an 8ft drop behind the railing.

Killer Wench · 07-06-2012 10:11PM

I am fascinated by the random tidbits that hold no relevance to the story. Primarily:

1. He's formerly of "America".

2. He's a lecturer at Trinity.

3. He's married with a kid.

DarkJager · 07-06-2012 10:12PM

Article wrote:

When someone asked Whipple why he threw the man, Whipple responded: “He pissed on my shoes and I’m sick of it.”

He must have really ****ing awful taste in shoes if people keep pissing on them.

cocoshovel · 07-06-2012 10:12PM

Mr Kennedy sounds like a right scumbag to me.

DB10 · 07-06-2012 10:14PM

cocoshovel wrote: »

Mr Kennedy sounds like a right scumbag to me.

He has to wear a tracksuit to be a scumbag according to some on here.

If it was the other way round and the big shot American Trinity lecturer got those life threatening injuries, I wonder would the drunk man have got a suspended sentence.

stupidusername · 07-06-2012 10:15PM

Killer Wench wrote: »

I am fascinated by the random tidbits that hold no relevance to the story. Primarily:

1. He's formerly of "America".

2. He's a lecturer at Trinity.

3. He's married with a kid.

They generally give details of where a person is from.

what I find unnecessary is the addition that he was voted student of the year. who gives a ****. it's meant to show his good nature, or good character, **** off

micropig · 07-06-2012 10:15PM

What's he lecturing American psycho - logy?

The King of Moo · 07-06-2012 10:19PM

cocoshovel wrote: »

Mr Kennedy sounds like a right scumbag to me.

And what about Mr. Whipple?

Ronin247 · 07-06-2012 10:21PM

Dont care,piss on your shoes or no piss on your shoes, he should be glad to have a job.I blame the civil service.

hairyprincess · 07-06-2012 10:24PM

cocoshovel wrote: »

Mr Kennedy sounds like a right scumbag to me.

At least Mr. Kennedy had the excuse that he was drunk, I think we're all guilty of stupid actions while under the influence. But what is Mr. Whipple's excuse? A sober, educated man?

I think the scumbag tag clearly belongs to him in this case.

Pedant · 07-06-2012 10:24PM

If anyone urinated on my shoe, I would ask him to lick it off then and there. Who do these ruffians think they are?

Sinfonia · 07-06-2012 10:30PM

Some dick starts hassling him, then takes his wang out and starts pissing on his shoes; he sends him over a wall with an unexpectedly long drop on the other side. Afterwards, he pleads guilty and apologises. Sounds like the instigator was the 'scumbag' to me.

dr.bollocko · 07-06-2012 10:32PM

Judge Martin Nolan said it was unfortunate that there was a 15ft drop behind the railings. He accepted that Whipple probably did not realise how substantial the fall was but did know there was at least an 8ft drop behind the railing.

"It seems that it is unlikely that he intended to cause the injuries he had but if he had thought about it, he would have realised what he did would cause the victim serious injury," Judge Nolan said.

"He acted in the absence of judgement but does not deserve a custodial."

He sentenced him to six years in prison which he suspended entirely on the condition that he pay over €10,000 to the victim within a week.

Can someone who watches a lot of CSI NY please enhance the picture of the chap's shoes so we know if the victim did in fact piss on them?

DB10 · 07-06-2012 10:32PM

Sinfonia wrote: »

Some dick starts hassling him, then takes his wang out and starts pissing on his shoes; he sends him over a wall with an unexpectedly long drop on the other side. Afterwards, he pleads guilty and apologises. Sounds like the instigator was the 'scumbag' to me.

According to the Gardai report, it was an obvious drop, very clear to the defendant. So that doesn't cut it.

He should be sacked from his job at the very least. In fact I would deport him.

coolbeans · 07-06-2012 10:33PM

At least Mr. Kennedy had the excuse that he was drunk, I think we're all guilty of stupid actions while under the influence.[/Quote]

Your attitude is utterly asinine, you do realise that don't you? Being drunk should in no way lessen an individual's responsibility for their actions no more than being high on cocaine would.

kryogen · 07-06-2012 10:34PM

Further evidence of what a fcuking joke of a legal system we hace here. Disgraceful decision, if I don't pay my TV license I can go to jail yet if I almost kill a man I can walk out of court a free man.

Make me dictator and this stuff would be put right straight away!

dr.bollocko · 07-06-2012 10:35PM

DB10 wrote: »

You can guarantee if it was an African American he would have been jailed and then deported.

No. In fact you can't guarantee that at all.

And to even suggest such a thing only lends more weight to those chips on your shoulder because now others can see them too.

Really clearly.

cocoshovel · 07-06-2012 10:38PM

hairyprincess wrote: »

At least Mr. Kennedy had the excuse that he was drunk, I think we're all guilty of stupid actions while under the influence. But what is Mr. Whipple's excuse? A sober, educated man?

I think the scumbag tag clearly belongs to him in this case.

I dont know. He was hassling him and then pissed on his shoes. I think there is a lot more to it than what the article says. Perhaps Mr Whipple acted in self defense from some gob****e with his cóck hanging out up in someones face maybe acting threatning. Drunk or not its not acceptable. I think the sentence was somewhat fair.

yore · 07-06-2012 10:40PM

DB10 wrote: »

According to the Gardai report, it was an obvious drop, very clear to the defendant. So that doesn't cut it.
He should be sacked from his job at the very least. In fact I would deport the ****er. You can guarantee if it was an African American he would have been jailed and then deported.

Where does it say he was or wasn't?
Plus, Trinity lecturer.....incident occured in 2011 when he was doing a Masters...not too many lecturers in Trinity with only a Masters I'd say (Unless of course he went back to do an MSc. after doing a PhD....)

DB10 · 07-06-2012 10:41PM

dr.bollocko wrote: »

No. In fact you can't guarantee that at all.

And to even suggest such a thing only lends more weight to those chips on your shoulder because now others can see them too.

Really clearly.

Maybe not deported, it rarely happens here. I still think his fashionable background (upper class white American, lecturing at Trinity College) has helped him.

And I don't think that is right or just.

Varied · 07-06-2012 10:45PM

A smack in the mouth would have sufficed. Not that much damage.

Sinfonia · 07-06-2012 10:56PM

yore wrote: »

Where does it say he was or wasn't?
Plus, Trinity lecturer.....incident occured in 2011 when he was doing a Masters...not too many lecturers in Trinity with only a Masters I'd say (Unless of course he went back to do an MSc. after doing a PhD....)

There are some lecturers in Trinity with no PhD.

DB10 wrote: »

his fashionable background (upper class white

Where did you get that?

yore · 08-06-2012 12:46AM

Sinfonia wrote: »

There are some lecturers in Trinity with no PhD.

I didn't say there weren't...but not too many. Maybe for medicine or law or things like that. And most would probably have been grandfathered in and be older than mid-30s. Especially in this day and age when there are large amounts of new PhDs leaving college and finding it very difficult to get work!

Unsurprisingly enough, he's not listed in their staff directory...
http://peoplefinder.tcd.ie/pls/peoplefinder/telephone_system_pub.people_finder.main

steddyeddy · 08-06-2012 12:50AM

Killer Wench wrote: »

I am fascinated by the random tidbits that hold no relevance to the story. Primarily:

1. He's formerly of "America".

2. He's a lecturer at Trinity.

3. He's married with a kid.

Well they all add up to you would have thought he knew better.

Edit: apart from being american

Fenian Army · 08-06-2012 12:53AM

Its because he is a trinners lecturer, if he was some ordinary joe soap from tallaght he'd be behind bars.

Dr. Jonathan Crane · 08-06-2012 12:55AM

If a drunken scumbag is ever to piss on my shoes, I'll make sure to remember this thread and do absolutely nothing.

Cuddlesworth · 08-06-2012 12:59AM

Meh, I had three guys run me over in a car and beat me with a Tire Iron leaving me in Hospital for three months. All because they didn't like the look of me when I was passing by, with them doing lines of coke in the car. The driver had over thirty previous convictions, had no license, tax or insurance was intoxicated from a day in the pub, was found to be in possession of Class A drugs and assaulted a Gardai after a chase. He got a one year suspended sentence.

For no previous convictions and the apparent finality of the act it seems like quite a harsh sentence in comparison.

jiltloop · 08-06-2012 01:00AM

I dunno, this doesn't make my blood boil at all tbh. The guy was minding his own business waiting for a bus when some drunk Ahole starts hassling him and won't leave him alone and then pisses on his shoes? I think most people would get physical in that situation.

Also I don't believe the guy knew there was such a big drop over the wall. He stayed at the scene, admitted everything to the gardai, expressed remorse and told the gardai that he hoped the guy was ok.

I don't think he deserved a custodial sentence either. There's been much worse cases of terrible judgements and sentencing than this. Namely that scumbag girl who purposely drove a car into that poor lad and crushed him to death against a wall. Now THAT case made my blood boil!

Oranage2 · 08-06-2012 01:01AM

The lecture taught your man some lesson -

The King of Moo · 08-06-2012 01:02AM

Pissing on someone's shoes = throwing someone over a wall you know has a drop of at least eight feet behind it, apparently.

Welcome to After Hours, folks.

Battered Mars Bar · 08-06-2012 01:06AM

Does this man not lose more than say a mere commoner, regardless of sentence. His up til now good reputation tarnished, all those years devoted to academia could well be down the swany and to top it all off a 6 year suspended sentence...all because some drunken lout enraged him into a state of temporary insanity by pissing on his shoes...I think he has been punished enough imo.

Reverse the tables, some scumbag throws a drunk over a bridge for pissing on his shoes. What does the scumbag lose??? probably revered among his peers, same sentence would apply I imagine and we'd be here complaining about scumbags getting off too lightly. Bottom line, taking your willy out and pissing on another mans shoes is a bad idea.

Where's the justice?!!

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