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Mother anger at IRA medals given by GAA

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  • #32
    PC CDROM
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    I don't think it was appropriate.

    But the area is steeped in Republicanism. Worse than South Armagh.

    One Hunger Striker. Martin Hurson.
    4 or 5 locals killed in Loughgall


    There is a huge amount of information out there on it all. Those are only two snippets about the area. There are a lot of incidents in the general area during all the crap that went on.

    Still think the medals were wrong though.


  • #33
    Fenian Army
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    Biggins wrote: »
    I jest (not very well though!). :o

    In seriousness though, it seems someone has sought to seek out their own agenda/publicity on something at a low local level?
    Not the first time I have come across that myself.

    The mother does have a point in raising the issue I feel.
    Now if its appropriate to give to kids that really, in all honestly would probably be scratching heir heads in puzzlement - now thats another question!
    The man was a member of the GAA club who was murdered.

    It was a way to remember a former (very talented I'm told) member.

    He was an elected councilor as well.


  • #34
    BattleCorp
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    Spunk84 wrote: »
    People have short memories, the IRA made this country and should be kept alive for their sacrfices that they made for this so called free state . Ashamed she should be

    Bit of a difference in the IRA that helped establish this country and the IRA that was around in the 70's 80's and 90's.

    I had thought we had moved on from this sort of thinking but obviously some people are stuck in the past.


  • #35
    hondasam
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    Fenian Army wrote: »
    The "idea behind it" was the fact it was a memorial thing for a former member of the GAA club in question.

    It's still not appropriate, it's not what he is remembered for really is it.


  • #36
    DB10
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    This thread is going in circles once again. No surprise people crawling from under their rock to have a pop at the GAA.

    Trying to link the murder of Ronan Kerr to the GAA, I've heard it all. Cringeworthy stuff.


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  • #37
    xflyer
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    Fenian Army wrote: »
    The "idea behind it" was the fact it was a memorial thing for a former member of the GAA club in question.
    Now that's funny, was he a star player? Was he heavily involved in promoting the game among young people. Did he promote peace and harmony for all sections of the community?

    None of the above, he became a gunman and he was killed while going about his business. Somehow in the twisted minds of the people who run that club. It makes him a hero and and example for children to follow.

    Pathetic.


  • #38
    Duckworth_Luas
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    martinedwards wrote: »
    GAA in IRA support shock.
    You obviously know nothing of the GAA.

    Do you believe GAA people in places like Waterford, Roscommon or Offaly support the IRA?

    You probably couldn't point out those places on a map.


  • #39
    Biggins
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    Fenian Army wrote: »
    The man was a member of the GAA club who was murdered.

    It was a way to remember a former (very talented I'm told) member.

    He was an elected councilor as well.

    Thats fair enough I suppose.
    It seems that (as usual) some opinions such as the mothers, differs from those that gave out the medals.
    It will be up to parents then either to agree with the sentiment or educate their offspring as to what they think is right or wrong.

    The club (and I and NOT defending them - just guessing) I assume is doing what they think is appropriate in their eyes according to their opinion.

    The mother should still have the right to question, thats all ...as should any person.


  • #40
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    hondasam wrote: »
    It's still not appropriate, it's not what he is remembered for really is it.

    Locally he is remembered as a hero who gave his life for a belief.

    He also took out two SAS soldiers.

    Not really a lot you can do about that on a local level.


  • #41
    Fenian Army
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    BattleCorp wrote: »
    Bit of a difference in the IRA that helped establish this country and the IRA that was around in the 70's 80's and 90's.

    I had thought we had moved on from this sort of thinking but obviously some people are stuck in the past.
    Silly me, I forgot, the old IRA fought the Brits with hugs and tickles


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  • #42
    hondasam
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    PC CDROM wrote: »
    Locally he is remembered as a hero who gave his life for a belief.

    He also took out two SAS soldiers.

    Not really a lot you can do about that on a local level.

    Nothing to do with being a GAA player then is it so it's not appropriate, hidden agenda there I think.


  • #43
    Fenian Army
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    hondasam wrote: »
    Nothing to do with being a GAA player then is it so it's not appropriate, hidden agenda there I think.
    He was a player for the club and represented the country at numerous levels


  • #44
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    hondasam wrote: »
    Nothing to do with being a GAA player then is it so it's not appropriate, hidden agenda there I think.

    I think judging by the medals it wasn't really a hidden agenda.

    Just a tribute to a local person by a local GAA club for a former member and player.

    For the record again.... I don't agree with it.

    But I don't see a hidden agenda.


  • #45
    awec
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    Fenian Army wrote: »
    He was a player for the club and represented the country at numerous levels
    Do us a favour, stop taking us for fools.

    He is not on that medal for any sporting reason.


  • #46
    Biggins
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    Fenian Army wrote: »
    He was a player for the club and represented the country at numerous levels

    I think the point is that if his face was going to be on a sports medal - then it should be there for sporting achievements?
    Was the givers of the medal trying to popularise/make infamous the man for other reasons?


  • #47
    My name is URL
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    Willie Frazer will have a fit when he hears about this.


  • #48
    hondasam
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    Fenian Army wrote: »
    He was a player for the club and represented the country at numerous levels

    He was a talented player I'm not denying that or taking it from him but it's not the reason people remember him.
    Perhaps the club see nothing wrong with it but I still don't think it's appropriate considering how he died and what he stood for.


  • #49
    BattleCorp
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    DB10 wrote: »
    This thread is going in circles once again. No surprise people crawling from under their rock to have a pop at the GAA.

    Trying to link the murder of Ronan Kerr to the GAA, I've heard it all. Cringeworthy stuff.

    This thread is not about having a pop at the GAA in general. I'm a member of the GAA.

    What this thread is about is the inappropriate (in my opinion) use of a deceased IRA activist's image being displayed on children's GAA medals.


  • #50
    Joko
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    Fenian Army wrote: »
    The man was a member of the GAA club who was murdered.

    It was a way to remember a former (very talented I'm told) member.

    He was an elected councilor as well.

    Why would you use the term "murdered"? Even if you agree with Provos, you'd say he was KIA not murdered in action.


  • #51
    Fenian Army
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    Biggins wrote: »
    I think the point is that if his face was going to be on a sports medal - then it should be there for sporting achievements?
    Was the givers of the medal trying to popularise/make infamous the man for other reasons?
    If I'm not mistaken the tournament is named after him, hence his face on the medal..

    He was a well known man, well loved by his community. If it was as I suspect, in the tournament named after him which is an annual event, then the mother has no right to moan.


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  • #52
    hondasam
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    PC CDROM wrote: »
    Locally he is remembered as a hero who gave his life for a belief.

    He also took out two SAS soldiers.

    Not really a lot you can do about that on a local level.
    PC CDROM wrote: »
    I think judging by the medals it wasn't really a hidden agenda.

    Just a tribute to a local person by a local GAA club for a former member and player.

    For the record again.... I don't agree with it.

    But I don't see a hidden agenda.

    Sorry but your other post kinda says it's a hidden agenda and he was honoured for his beliefs and not his GAA skills.


  • #53
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    Joko wrote: »
    Why would you use the term "murdered"? Even if you agree with Provos, you'd say he was KIA not murdered in action.

    'Ra heads can pick and choose terms like that and apply them when it suits.

    Irish provos and Irish civilians: Murdered.

    British soldiers and British civilians: Killed in action.


  • #54
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    Joko wrote: »
    Why would you use the term "murdered"? Even if you agree with Provos, you'd say he was KIA not murdered in action.

    It's a technical "thing"

    I could explain but would I be wasting my breath?


  • #55
    SocSocPol
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    Fenian Army wrote: »
    If I'm not mistaken the tournament is named after him, hence his face on the medal..

    He was a well known man, well loved by his community. If it was as I suspect, in the tournament named after him which is an annual event, then the mother has no right to moan.
    Bit like describing Adolf Hitler as being "well loved by all Germans" and then putting his face on sporting medals while claiming you support integration through sport!


  • #56
    mikemac1
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    If go to a club called Galbally-Pearses you can't realy come back and complain if an IRA man is put on a medal

    There are clubs in every county named after leaders and gunmen

    But we're picking and choosing and deciding some are acceptable and others are heinous terrorists


  • #57
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    hondasam wrote: »
    Sorry but your other post kinda says it's a hidden agenda and he was honoured for his beliefs and not his GAA skills.


    Did you actually read my posts?


    How is it "hidden"? It seems very obvious to me?


  • #58
    hondasam
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    PC CDROM wrote: »
    Did you actually read my posts?


    How is it "hidden"? It seems very obvious to me?

    Was he honoured for his beliefs or his GAA skills?


  • #59
    Fenian Army
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    So "hidden" its called the annual Martin McCaughey memorial tournament.

    Tournament named after a very popular member who was killed, I suggest people just get over it, the "Mother" (who I suspect doesnt exist) must be a right plank
    ""I think we should have at least been told what the medals would have on them and given a chance to decide whether we wanted our children to take part or not."

    The name of the tournament might be a bit of a clue love!


  • #60
    Biggins
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    I think the point is that if his face was going to be on a sports medal - then it should be there for sporting achievements?
    Was the givers of the medal trying to popularise/make infamous the man for other reasons?
    Fenian Army wrote: »
    If I'm not mistaken the tournament is named after him, hence his face on the medal..

    He was a well known man, well loved by his community. If it was as I suspect, in the tournament named after him which is an annual event, then the mother has no right to moan.

    That don't answer the question though.
    As hondasam asks, was he honoured for his beliefs or his GAA skills?


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  • #61
    Fratton Fred
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    Fenian Army wrote: »
    The man was a member of the GAA club who was murdered.

    It was a way to remember a former (very talented I'm told) member.

    He was an elected councilor as well.

    So he wasn't a soldier in a war then?


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