UPC, 500gb limit. Does anybody ever exceed this?

Tea_Bag · 05-06-2012 2:31pm

I've gone over 500GB a few months ago and got the letter. it stated I had used something like 53299999999999999bits, so clearly they have the tools to monitor every tiny bit that passes though my router, but don't let me access that tool?!

I'm fairly sure I've gone over this month, or damn near it anyway, and I'm going to argue my case if they try to penalise me.

and its actually very easy to hit 500gb if you've got 4+ people in the house...

I've got Sky Go streaming live TV and movies everywhere all day, and that uses about 1.4GB/h. one of the lads had to format his pc and download 200gb of games from steam and origin. patches for a game we all play came out the other day, its 2GB ( x4). SWTOR has 20gb of patches after you install (x2 housemates).

I host several Minecraft, team speak, Ventrillo, Team Viewer etc servers too. and updating my 25gb Dropbox is well.. 25gb a go!

I know I'd be in the minority, but I have seen technophobic friends upload 150gb of a torrent he downloaded etc and streaming is becoming huge.

kippy · 05-06-2012 2:37pm

Tea_Bag wrote: »

I've gone over 500GB a few months ago and got the letter. it stated I had used something like 53299999999999999bits, so clearly they have the tools to monitor every tiny bit that passes though my router, but don't let me access that tool?!

I'm fairly sure I've gone over this month, or damn near it anyway, and I'm going to argue my case if they try to penalise me.

and its actually very easy to hit 500gb if you've got 4+ people in the house...

I've got Sky Go streaming live TV and movies everywhere all day, and that uses about 1.4GB/h. one of the lads had to format his pc and download 200gb of games from steam and origin. patches for a game we all play came out the other day, its 2GB ( x4). SWTOR has 20gb of patches after you install (x2 housemates).

I host several Minecraft, team speak, Ventrillo, Team Viewer etc servers too. and updating my 25gb Dropbox is well.. 25gb a go!

I know I'd be in the minority, but I have seen technophobic friends upload 150gb of a torrent he downloaded etc and streaming is becoming huge.

Then look at a package that fits your needs. Nothing currently on residential, look at the business options.
I am sure, if and when, a larger proportion of people need to use over 500Gb's at the 100 meg then UPC will introduce a package to suit them...........

johndoe99 · 05-06-2012 2:39pm

100gb is the closest ive ever gone to the 500gb, and that was once or twice.

05-06-2012 2:40pm

kippy wrote: »

Then look at a package that fits your needs. Nothing currently on residential, look at the business options.
I am sure, if and when, a larger proportion of people need to use over 500Gb's at the 100 meg then UPC will introduce a package to suit them...........

:pac:
Yes it's called "The Transparent Package"
1 TB limit (no limit) , speed reduced by over half, with no means to check online usage.

kippy · 05-06-2012 2:49pm

RVP 11 wrote: »

:pac:
Yes it's called "The Transparent Package"
1 TB limit (no limit) , speed reduced by over half, with no means to check online usage.

Then what is your problem?

05-06-2012 2:54pm

kippy wrote: »

Then what is your problem?

Yore ma.:)
It seems to me you're the one with the problem.
Who would've thought there are internet users out there who download more than you??
It's a crazy world.

Tea_Bag · 05-06-2012 2:55pm

kippy wrote: »

Then what is your problem?

30mbps is my problem.

if they offered 1TB @ 100mbps for reasonable money I'd consider it.

05-06-2012 2:57pm

Tea_Bag wrote: »

30mbps is my problem.

if they offered 1TB @ 100mbps for reasonable money I'd consider it.

Exactly.
They shouldn't punish you for wanting a bigger allowance, charging i can understand.
But explaining this to those who download 2gb a month is pointless.

kippy · 05-06-2012 2:58pm

RVP 11 wrote: »

Yore ma.:)
It seems to me you're the one with the problem.
Who would've thought there are internet users out there who download more than you??
It's a crazy world.

As I said, I am sure if UPC believed there was a worthwhile (large enough) market for unlimited @100Meg they would offer it to residential customers. As I also said, they do actualy have a package that offers that.

The fact of the matter is simple, currently UPC do not believe enough people require this package to go to the trouble of putting it together.

05-06-2012 3:01pm

kippy wrote: »

As I said, I am sure if UPC believed there was a worthwhile (large enough) market for unlimited @100Meg they would offer it to residential customers. As I also said, they do actualy have a package that offers that.

The fact of the matter is simple, currently UPC do not believe enough people require this package to go to the trouble of putting it together.

What a bit like...UPC don't believe enough people care how much they download per month (usage monitor) on a package that started out with UNLIMITED download on UPC when it first came out ?

kippy · 05-06-2012 3:01pm

I can see why SOME users would require the ability to download more than 500 gig a month (which is why UPC offer them a package that allows this)
However, the simple rules of business would suggest that AT THE MOMENT there aren't enough people out there that require this to justify a completely different package for them.
This will change in future.

No one is punishing anyone........
UPC obviously know what their current infrastructure and resources can handle.

If you really do download/upload over a terrabyte of data every month you need to:
a. be willing to pay for it.
b. be willing to accept that right now you are in a very small minority of users.

kippy · 05-06-2012 3:03pm

RVP 11 wrote: »

What a bit like...UPC don't believe enough people care how much they download per month on a package that started out being called UNLIMITED, to slipping in the FUP/AUP, and still not allowing people to have usage stats.?

So now the issue is people not knowing how much they download or is it offering a package as "unlimited" when it is clearly not?
I'm confused - what is this about again?

05-06-2012 3:05pm

kippy wrote: »

So now the issue is people not knowing how much they download or is it offering a package as "unlimited" when it is clearly not?
I'm confused - what is this about again?

Clearly you don't know what you're talking about.
You're spouting about packages that don't exist and aren't for HOME users.
You don't even see your speed being reduced by 70MB with price increase as punishment?
And you are blatantly ignoring anyone who says "we are prepared to pay for it" to bolster your argument
I give up.

Tea_Bag · 05-06-2012 3:12pm

just to be clear, I don't mind the extreme package upc throw you on to. I've broken the terms and I must pay a penalty. what I do mind is:

A) its only a 2 strike thing. 1 letter, then next time you screw up you're out. and they don't even tell you on the second time, you just get debited €80. that's bull.

it is bloody difficult to monitor the bandwidth of 4 PCs, 4 Xboxs, 3 laptops, ps3, 4 Android phones etc all at once. did I say difficult? I meant impossible. when upc clearly does it for me, but won't tell me til its too late. even Vodafone will send you a text when you approach your limit.

C) why the hell do I lose OVER two thirds of my speed when going 'extreme'??!! there is nothing extreme about 30mbps in this day and age.

Meesared · 05-06-2012 3:14pm

Tea_Bag wrote: »

just to be clear, I don't mind the extreme package upc throw you on to. I've broken the terms and I must pay a penalty. what I do mind is:

A) its only a 2 strike thing. 1 letter, then next time you screw up you're out. and they don't even tell you on the second time, you just get debited €80. that's bull.

it is bloody difficult to monitor the bandwidth of 4 PCs, 4 Xboxs, 3 laptops, ps3, 4 Android phones etc all at once. did I say difficult? I meant impossible. when upc clearly does it for me, but won't tell me til its too late. even Vodafone will send you a text when you approach your limit.

C) why the hell do I lose OVER two thirds of my speed when going 'extreme'??!! there is nothing extreme about 30mbps in this day and age.

Not impossible or even difficult, just set the UPC router to bridging mode, and get a router that supports DDWRT Firmware, and there is some great usage tools on that.

05-06-2012 3:15pm

Just to be clear Tea Bag, there is no such package.
ring UPC and ask them about broadband extreme package.....all you will hear is "huh?".
It's a hidden club for the naughty boys that Kippy talks about.

kippy · 05-06-2012 3:24pm

Tea_Bag wrote: »

just to be clear, I don't mind the extreme package upc throw you on to. I've broken the terms and I must pay a penalty. what I do mind is:

A) its only a 2 strike thing. 1 letter, then next time you screw up you're out. and they don't even tell you on the second time, you just get debited €80. that's bull.

it is bloody difficult to monitor the bandwidth of 4 PCs, 4 Xboxs, 3 laptops, ps3, 4 Android phones etc all at once. did I say difficult? I meant impossible. when upc clearly does it for me, but won't tell me til its too late. even Vodafone will send you a text when you approach your limit.

C) why the hell do I lose OVER two thirds of my speed when going 'extreme'??!! there is nothing extreme about 30mbps in this day and age.

What percentage of the worlds internet using population can expect 30mbps? (indeed what percentage of Irelands internet using population can expect 30mbs?)
30 meg packages are at the very high end of what is available for most people so using the word "extreme" is warranted.

I do agree about the monitoring aspect, it would help a lot for accounts that get close to their cap.

05-06-2012 3:26pm

kippy wrote: »

What percentage of the worlds internet using population can expect 30mbps? (indeed what percentage of Irelands internet using population can expect 30mbs?)
30 meg packages are at the very high end of what is available for most people so using the word "extreme" is warranted.

I do agree about the monitoring aspect, it would help a lot for accounts that get close to their cap.

So now your defence is "People in Corkistan don't have 30mb, be glad you have it"
:pac:
I have a feeling most of the counter-whiners in here, don't have or can't get 100mb or can't afford it.

aN.Droid · 05-06-2012 3:27pm

miralize wrote: »

Common sense. I consider myself a heavy downloader but I never go over 500GB. You'd have to be downloading HD video 24/7...

Seriously some people are never happy. How did you cope before UPC came along, on crappy Eircom?

Actually at the theoretical limit of 100mb (12.5mB) you could use your cap if you download constantly for just over 11 hours. Not 24/7.

Now let's compare this to pre UPC days with eircom which I would assume the most popular package they had was 2mb (250kB) it would take 542 hours and 32 minutes or just over 22 days of constantly downloading to reach 500gb downloaded.

As you can see 500gb is not nearly enough for a package that can decimate it in less then half a day of a 30 day cycle.

Ofcourse this applies to people such as myself who max out there line as much as possible. But you can see for yourself how silly 500gb download allowance is for a 100mb product.

kippy · 05-06-2012 3:27pm

RVP 11 wrote: »

Clearly you don't know what you're talking about.
You're spouting about packages that don't exist and aren't for HOME users.
You don't even see your speed being reduced by 70MB with price increase as punishment?
And you are blatantly ignoring anyone who says "we are prepared to pay for it" to bolster your argument
I give up.

WHAT IS YOUR MAIN ISSUE WITH UPC IN RELATION TO THIS THREAD?
Please clarify.
My main point is that there clearly isnt currently a sustainable market for 100mg broadband with an "actual" unlimited "cap", if there were UPC would offer it under their home packages.
The VAST majority of internet users never get near their caps (especially of over 500 gigs a month, even those sharing houses.
UPC are under no pressures to offer packages that they:
a. dont see as financially viable (currently)
b. may not be able to support on their network currently.

I mean there are lots of niche markets out there that just dont make sense to provide for.

kippy · 05-06-2012 3:29pm

Limericks wrote: »

Actually at the theoretical limit of 100mb (12.5mB) you could use your cap if you download constantly for just over 11 hours. Not 24/7.

Now let's compare this to pre UPC days with eircom which I would assume the most popular package they had was 2mb (250kB) it would take 542 hours and 32 minutes or just over 22 days of constantly downloading to reach 500gb downloaded.

As you can see 500gb is not nearly enough for a package that can decimate it in less then half a day of a 30 day cycle.

Ofcourse this applies to people such as myself who max out there line as much as possible. But you can see for yourself how silly 500gb download allowance is for a 100mb product.

Where exactly are you going to store this 500gigs (per day - every day) or is it all streaming?

kippy · 05-06-2012 3:29pm

Limericks wrote: »

Actually at the theoretical limit of 100mb (12.5mB) you could use your cap if you download constantly for just over 11 hours. Not 24/7.

Now let's compare this to pre UPC days with eircom which I would assume the most popular package they had was 2mb (250kB) it would take 542 hours and 32 minutes or just over 22 days of constantly downloading to reach 500gb downloaded.

As you can see 500gb is not nearly enough for a package that can decimate it in less then half a day of a 30 day cycle.

Ofcourse this applies to people such as myself who max out there line as much as possible. But you can see for yourself how silly 500gb download allowance is for a 100mb product.

The point is, very few people NEED to download that amount of data in a month.

05-06-2012 3:32pm

kippy wrote: »

WHAT IS YOUR MAIN ISSUE WITH UPC IN RELATION TO THIS THREAD?
Please clarify.
My main point is that there clearly isnt currently a sustainable market for 100mg broadband with an "actual" unlimited "cap", if there were UPC would offer it under their home packages.
The VAST majority of internet users never get near their caps (especially of over 500 gigs a month, even those sharing houses.
UPC are under no pressures to offer packages that they:
a. dont see as financially viable (currently)
b. may not be able to support on their network currently.

I mean there are lots of niche markets out there that just dont make sense to provide for.

Are you the voice of UPC & the FUP??
You pretend to know the market and what the end user wants, but really your are just posting how glad you would be to have the package that some people in here are whinging about.

aN.Droid · 05-06-2012 3:33pm

kippy wrote: »

Where exactly are you going to store this 500gigs (per day - every day) or is it all streaming?

Actually per day it would be closer too 1100gb

My own internet habits are my own but I could easily use 500gb a day. Storage for my use would not be a problem and if it ever did become a problem there is a delete key on my keyboard

Also, UPC could easily allow a higher download limit on their infrastructure but they choose not too.

maggy_thatcher · 05-06-2012 3:33pm

DarkJager wrote: »

I don't understand how people go over 500GB a month to be honest. Fact is if you do, that's your problem and not upcs. Good luck finding another ISP with a cap near that.

UTV Internet? They have an "unlimited" option, and their fair use policy is "if you download too much during peak hours, we'll throttle you", which is much more reasonable. You are free to download as much as you like outside the 6pm-11pm time frame.

On the other hand, top speed is only 8MB...

kippy · 05-06-2012 4:08pm

RVP 11 wrote: »

Are you the voice of UPC & the FUP??
You pretend to know the market and what the end user wants, but really your are just posting how glad you would be to have the package that some people in here are whinging about.

UPC know the Market, it's their job. If the market were there for a package of that nature, it'd be available.

05-06-2012 4:11pm

kippy wrote: »

UPC know the Market, it's their job. If the market were there for a package of that nature, it'd be available.

if someone else came out tomorrow with 100mb UNLIMITED, then that is exactly what UPC would release.
Right now it's ok for them to penalize you, because where else are you gonna go?

They try to use the bandwidth as an excuse, when downloading 24/7 is WAY worse than a sporadic user of 100mb downloading 30 gb a day rather than 15gb(thats downloaded in about 15mins BTW)

Tea_Bag · 05-06-2012 4:14pm

kippy wrote: »

Where exactly are you going to store this 500gigs (per day - every day) or is it all streaming?

its only 500gb per month. the point is you can do it in one day, once per month.

and I've shown how I do actually use 500gb, without going on a torrent spree.

there are fewer people arguing against a higher cap than for it. maybe add that to your defence of '500 is enough for most people'

and don't use Ireland as a benchmark for the world, many many country's have far faster. were one of the slowest in the first world. certainly 30mbps is achievable everywhere in Europe, and not under a conveluted extreme package.

kippy · 05-06-2012 4:26pm

RVP 11 wrote: »

So now your defence is "People in Corkistan don't have 30mb, be glad you have it"
:pac:
I have a feeling most of the counter-whiners in here, don't have or can't get 100mb or can't afford it.

I was trying to put some logic on the word extreme.

05-06-2012 4:30pm

kippy wrote: »

I was trying to put some logic on the word extreme.

The only thing extreme about it though is the drop in speed 100 > 30

As i said what happens then is those who want a higher allowance download 24/7 to get to 1TB a month (you are paying so may aswell use)!!
Wheras you could get the same amount with 100mb by downloading for 20 mins a day.
Makes sense.

kippy · 05-06-2012 4:32pm

Fair enough lads. There's obviously a market for gigabit unlimited broadband.

05-06-2012 4:36pm

kippy wrote: »

Fair enough lads. There's obviously a market for gigabit unlimited broadband.

Keep up, the world has moved on since 56k, i know you love it so much.

kippy · 05-06-2012 4:38pm

The level of delusion and lack of understanding of basic technology and business in here by some posters is funny.

05-06-2012 4:39pm

kippy wrote: »

The level of delusion and lack of understanding of basic technology and business in here by some posters is funny.

The fake UPC REP on here calling others deluded???:pac:

Tea_Bag · 05-06-2012 4:48pm

kippy wrote: »

The level of delusion and lack of understanding of basic technology and business in here by some posters is funny.

in the business sense, I understand that offering unlimited caps is unfavorable. I don't see how dropping 70mbps is in any way a reasonable argument. and I do understand the technology to a good enough degree.

miralize · 05-06-2012 4:49pm

Jesus Christ. I leave for a few hours and this thread goes to shíte.

RVP11, can I just ask how you manage to consume 500GB of data per month? Consoles actually dont consume that much data. Netflix, even at HD streaming only takes up around 1-1.5GB per movie. And a 1080p film download averages at around 10GB.

So even if, every day you were to download one 1080p film per month(which I doubt you do), you'd still be about 200GB shy of the cap.

And even if there are multiple Broadband users in the household, downloading like that slows it down for the rest of them. And if there are other houses on the line, you're slowing it down for people in that area.

The fact is that 99% of users dont go over the liimit, otherwise UPC would extend the limit. And they will, eventually as everything moves to cloud storage. But for the time being, you cant download over 500GB per month, and I'm fine with that. First-world problem. at its worst..

Also why do you feel the need to resort to quotes like :

Keep up, the world has moved on since 56k, i know you love it so much.

Because that makes absolutely no sense. It's kind of pathetic to be honest.

aN.Droid · 05-06-2012 5:08pm

miralize wrote: »

And even if there are multiple Broadband users in the household, downloading like that slows it down for the rest of them.

if it slowed it down for others in the household there are ways around that by capping your download speed too 11.5mB instead of 12.5mB leaving a plentiful 1mB for browsing/gaming/whatever and only slightly degrading your download experience.

miralize wrote: »

And if there are other houses on the line, you're slowing it down for people in that area.

Not at all true as Eurodocsis has the capability of 400mbs download throughput and 108mbit upload throughput with 8 channels down and 4 up per line.

miralize wrote: »

The fact is that 99% of users dont go over the liimit, otherwise UPC would extend the limit. And they will, eventually as everything moves to cloud storage. But for the time being, you cant download over 500GB per month, and I'm fine with that. First-world problem. at its worst..

You are right it is a first world problem... Because we are in the first world and it is a problem. As it stands 500gb is not enough of a download allowance to satisfy the product they are selling (100mb) it is not a question of what percent of people actually use it. The facts stand at if you can use your whole allowance in just over 11 hours then it is not enough.

kippy · 05-06-2012 5:12pm

Limericks wrote: »

if it slowed it down for others in the household there are ways around that by capping your download speed too 11.5mB instead of 12.5mB leaving a plentiful 1mB for download and only slightly degrading your download experience.

Not at all true as Eurodocsis has the capability of 400mbs download throughput and 108mbit upload throughput with 8 channels down and 4 up per line.

You are right it is a first world problem... Because we are in the first world and it is a problem. As it stands 500gb is not enough of a download allowance to satisfy the product they are selling (100mb) it is not a question of what percent of people actually use it. The facts stand at if you can use your whole allowance in just over 11 hours then it is not enough.

You can do a lot of things in theory, but very very very very few do it in 11 hours, a few more, might do it in month but in the whole scheme of things it's very few.

DarkJager · 05-06-2012 5:25pm

Limericks wrote: »

You are right it is a first world problem... Because we are in the first world and it is a problem. As it stands 500gb is not enough of a download allowance to satisfy the product they are selling (100mb) it is not a question of what percent of people actually use it. The facts stand at if you can use your whole allowance in just over 11 hours then it is not enough.

Just because its 100MB doesn't mean its an invitation to download huge amounts non stop. Common sense is seriously lacking when it comes to this.

aN.Droid · 05-06-2012 5:30pm

DarkJager wrote: »

Just because its 100MB doesn't mean its an invitation to download huge amounts non stop. Common sense is seriously lacking when it comes to this.

What is it an invitation too if not that? Once you hit about 4mb you are not going to see an improvement in your browsing experience. At 8mb you can stream HD just fine. Why have speeds past this if not to download?

Common sense would of been releasing a product with a cap that matches it. I am not asking for a limitless download cap. What I am asking for is a more realistic download cap. If it were say 2tb per month I am sure everyone would be happy. The crowd that didn't use nearly 500gb per month would not suddenly jump in there download habits and the crowds who are being hampered by the limit would be much better off. This change by the way would not effect UPC in the slightest.

DarkJager · 05-06-2012 5:39pm

Limericks wrote: »

What is it an invitation too if not that? Once you hit about 4mb you are not going to see an improvement in your browsing experience. At 8mb you can stream HD just fine. Why have speeds past this if not to download?

Common sense would of been releasing a product with a cap that matches it. I am not asking for a limitless download cap. What I am asking for is a more realistic download cap. If it were say 2tb per month I am sure everyone would be happy. The crowd that didn't use nearly 500gb per month would not suddenly jump in there download habits and the crows who are being hampered by the limit would be much better off. This change by the way would not effect UPC in the slightest.

Thats exactly what the speed is for, to decrease the time it takes to download files from the internet. That doesn't mean you have to go and download every single thing you can find on the internet, it just means that when you do it will take a lot less time. Personally, I'd watch quite a bit of Netflix in a month and maybe download some other large files (work related) but I don't think I'd ever get anywhere near 500GB. No normal internet use would ever get near 500GB in a month.

And you have to consider that for everyone who would have a 2TB cap and acting the bollox downloading non stop, there's someone else in the same area suffering crap performance as a result. I'm sure UPC are well aware of the limitations of their network at present and if they thought the network could handle multiple people in an area lashing through the bandwidth, they would have an "unlimited" package.

Cabaal · 05-06-2012 5:53pm

Always find these threads amusing,

First off Lads, bandwidth costs money and so if you are on some residential package with a cap and you find it is unsuitable for your needs then be prepared to fork out and get a more suitable package (business plan comes to mind).

Second off just because you and perhaps some people you know download 400, 500 or 600GB a month most certainly does not make this anywhere near the norm for the vast majority of normal internet users in Ireland.

Take the UK as an example, far more mature internet market with higher percentage of internet users then Ireland and far far better coverage along with more streaming content for longer. However the average internet user from the stats I saw was doing maybe 40-50GB and thats at a big push.

Yes sure we'd see a odd user pulling down 1tb but but was very very far from the norm.

The market will of course change as more and more users start using the content that is available online but bottom line is at present the average user doesn't create enough demand to make upc have a package that does more then 500GB per month.

Oh and one more thing, there's no such think as unlimited...every provider has some sort of limit somewhere just to cover their arse and rightly so for the protection of other users experiences and their network.

05-06-2012 5:56pm

miralize wrote: »

Jesus Christ. I leave for a few hours and this thread goes to shíte.

RVP11, can I just ask how you manage to consume 500GB of data per month? Consoles actually dont consume that much data. Netflix, even at HD streaming only takes up around 1-1.5GB per movie. And a 1080p film download averages at around 10GB.

So even if, every day you were to download one 1080p film per month(which I doubt you do), you'd still be about 200GB shy of the cap.

And even if there are multiple Broadband users in the household, downloading like that slows it down for the rest of them. And if there are other houses on the line, you're slowing it down for people in that area.

The fact is that 99% of users dont go over the liimit, otherwise UPC would extend the limit. And they will, eventually as everything moves to cloud storage. But for the time being, you cant download over 500GB per month, and I'm fine with that. First-world problem. at its worst..

Also why do you feel the need to resort to quotes like :

Keep up, the world has moved on since 56k, i know you love it so much.

Because that makes absolutely no sense. It's kind of pathetic to be honest.

The 56k dig was kippy and his gigabit Internet comment obviously aimed at heavy users of the Internet. Are you his dad or something?
I don't exceed my cap normally but that doesn't mean I can't have an opinion on UPC and their penalties, thanks for the concern though lol

miralize · 05-06-2012 6:33pm

RVP 11 wrote: »

The 56k dig was kippy and his gigabit Internet comment obviously aimed at heavy users of the Internet. Are you his dad or something?
I don't exceed my cap normally but that doesn't mean I can't have an opinion on UPC and their penalties, thanks for the concern though lol

Your posts reek of immaturity.

You can have concern but you have to understand that you are the 1%. In order to preserve a decent service for everyone in the area, we all have to abide by certain rules.

05-06-2012 6:44pm

miralize wrote: »

Your posts reek of immaturity.

You can have concern but you have to understand that you are the 1%. In order to preserve a decent service for everyone in the area, we all have to abide by certain rules.

The cap should be lower on 10 20 30mb packages or higher on 100mb, otherwise it's not a realistic usage policy, regardless of percentage of users, we already pay more for the fastest package.

05-06-2012 6:47pm

Tea_Bag wrote: »

it is bloody difficult to monitor the bandwidth of 4 PCs, 4 Xboxs, 3 laptops, ps3, 4 Android phones etc all at once. did I say difficult? I meant impossible. when upc clearly does it for me, but won't tell me til its too late. even Vodafone will send you a text when you approach your limit.

UPC should give some way of monitoring usage since the others do it. However it's not impossible, you just need a better router.

Here's me...

uberdruid · 05-06-2012 7:15pm

Cabaal wrote: »

Always find these threads amusing,

First off Lads, bandwidth costs money and so if you are on some residential package with a cap and you find it is unsuitable for your needs then be prepared to fork out and get a more suitable package (business plan comes to mind).

Second off just because you and perhaps some people you know download 400, 500 or 600GB a month most certainly does not make this anywhere near the norm for the vast majority of normal internet users in Ireland.

Take the UK as an example, far more mature internet market with higher percentage of internet users then Ireland and far far better coverage along with more streaming content for longer. However the average internet user from the stats I saw was doing maybe 40-50GB and thats at a big push.

Yes sure we'd see a odd user pulling down 1tb but but was very very far from the norm.

The market will of course change as more and more users start using the content that is available online but bottom line is at present the average user doesn't create enough demand to make upc have a package that does more then 500GB per month.

Oh and one more thing, there's no such think as unlimited...every provider has some sort of limit somewhere just to cover their arse and rightly so for the protection of other users experiences and their network.

Funny read, seems you are pretty uninformed. In other European countries it is common to have home broadband connections from 120Mb to 200Mb for 30-50EUR w/o any cap whatsoever, i.e., Finnland, Sweden, Netherlands, Germany. In Netherland even UPC offers 120Mb w/o cap for 45EUR!
So i ask you, THE "EXPERT", why is traffic specifically so expensive in Ireland?
And don't tell me about high tier-1 routing costs, since BGP-routing fees also occur for outbound traffic, i.e, when a user from outside Ireland accesses servers in Ireland.

DarkJager · 05-06-2012 8:00pm

uberdruid wrote: »

Funny read, seems you are pretty uninformed. In other European countries it is common to have home broadband connections from 120Mb to 200Mb for 30-50EUR w/o any cap whatsoever, i.e., Finnland, Sweden, Netherlands, Germany. In Netherland even UPC offers 120Mb w/o cap for 45EUR!
So i ask you, THE "EXPERT", why is traffic specifically so expensive in Ireland?
And don't tell me about high tier-1 routing costs, since BGP-routing fees also occur for outbound traffic, i.e, when a user from outside Ireland accesses servers in Ireland.

Look at the countries you quoted and that will answer your own question. UPC and the likes are pumping serious cash in to upgrading the cable networks throughout Ireland but is nowhere near the infrastructure found in other European countries yet. And secondly, its Ireland - do you expect things to be cheap here?

kippy · 05-06-2012 8:30pm

uberdruid wrote: »

Funny read, seems you are pretty uninformed. In other European countries it is common to have home broadband connections from 120Mb to 200Mb for 30-50EUR w/o any cap whatsoever, i.e., Finnland, Sweden, Netherlands, Germany. In Netherland even UPC offers 120Mb w/o cap for 45EUR!
So i ask you, THE "EXPERT", why is traffic specifically so expensive in Ireland?
And don't tell me about high tier-1 routing costs, since BGP-routing fees also occur for outbound traffic, i.e, when a user from outside Ireland accesses servers in Ireland.

How common?
What percentage of internet users in those European countries have broadband connections from 120-200 without caps?

UPC, 500gb limit. Does anybody ever exceed this?

Comments