Prometheus *SPOILERS FROM POST 1538*

Ray Palmer wrote: »

she claims they planned to destroy us and changed their mind. Strangely two things she doesn't know. Massive story hole.
Why she is Christian and doesn't worry about how these guys radicly effect that belief system. A team of creators is massively different and eliminates Christ but she just passes that off so easily.
The engineers are apparently human. Not just common roots but actually human. They don't appear as human but we are told they are an exeact match.
Small alien grows without any food. Not just a little bit but enough to overpower a giant. it was also premature.
Kind of messes up the whole predator alien story too. AVP while bad is in the past but they already have aliens yet now they don't exist to the future?
The two guys getting lost and one of them made the maps.
Deeply flawed story director's cut can't fix it all. They had time to write a script and stick to the limitations established very disappointed

that pissed me off as well, it basically says creationism is wrong, that we werent created by god we were engineered by, uh, the engineers. but then pussies out of it with a throwaway line "they created us, what created them?" oh ok, so god didnt create us and we have proof of that which basically obliterates thousands of years of bibilical theory, but sure god MUST have created the engineers. it was like the scriptwriters were worried about offending christian moviegoers by saying their beliefs were now rendered obsolote. its a fcuking sci-fi movie its supposed to be giving an alternate take on where we came from not pandering to a demographic.

AVP doesnt exist as far as this goes afaik (and with good reason) I dont count the AVP movies as canon at all, thats a whole offshoot of the alien/predator franchises that isnt tied to the original movies.

opinion guy wrote: »

But it is a fair question - if engineers created humans then waht created engineers ?

Here are my thoughts.

1. The film begins with an Engineer on primordial Earth, with a ship taking off in the background. All by himself and voluntarily, he ingests the black goo, effectively killing himself and seeding human life on Earth. This suggests the obvious point that is repeated throughout the film that we were created by someone else. The fact that he sacrifices his life is also interesting.

2. It is also pretty clear that clues were deliberately left on Earth that would send humans to the planet where the Engineers ship was. That suggests an obvious second point that the Engineers wanted to be found by humans. The fact that they didn't want to be found until a certain point in time (ie, when humans mastered space travel) is also interesting.

3. I think that the concept of this film being about a weapons experiment that went wrong is just too simplistic. When David first opens the door with the urns, it looks anything but a scientific research facility. To me, it looked like it had more religious connotations. What really interested me was that the xenomorph tapestry/mosaic that looks down upon the urns (almost in a heavenly aspect) and the giant stone Engineer skull looks seemingly like a physical protector of the goo.

4. Finally, David knows MUCH, MUCH more than what he is letting on. Throughout the film, we are given virtually no insight as to what he thinks, except for various cryptic clues. Also, isn't it strange that HE was the one who opened the chamber with the urns, causing the hammerpedes (the long white snake things) to come out of stasis and attack the geologist and biologist? Isn't it also convenient that he knew that the black goo when ingested would infect and transform a human? Isn't it more than a coincidence that when he questioned Shaw about whether she had sexual relations before he scanned her, as if to say he knew she would be pregnant? Isn't it also interesting that he knew how to find the cockpit of the ship, and that he knew it was best to go there by himself and not inform the others?

My thoughts based on this, and putting it simply are that the Engineers are servants/worshipers of the goo/eye worms/squid thing. I think that millions of years ago, they put human life on earth with the expectation that the humans would multiply, spread through the universe, and eventually follow the clues to their maker. However, I think something went from with the Engineers and their installation. The holographic display clearly shows some kind of panic with Engineers running around the ship and one getting crushed. My thoughts on this are that the Engineers themselves had a disagreement (the films alludes to the notion that they decided not to wipe us out). I reckon there was an argument between them. Some Engineers wanted to infect us (the one who Weyland and David wake), but others didn't, or changed their minds.

I think the the next film will be about the conflict between the Engineers. It may even involve Shaw saving the Earth once against from a second invasion.

IMC Dun Laoghaire, non 3D screen is totally empty... Just fidgeting before the film at 15:30. Halfway along row 'C' is just perfect. [fidget fidget..]

CiscoStudent wrote: »

A common theme running through many of the Alien story's (Books and movies) is that there is a hidden motive and a secret mission that everyone bar one or two people are oblivious to. The usual theme Is that an 'agent', usually an android, infects one of the crew members deliberately and secretly. The aim is to get them into stasis with the alien life form incubating and get them back to some corporation for use in military bio-weapon research.

David clearly has his own agenda, and I am assuming he was programmed to pursue it. He conducts his own separate research, infects another crew member, and then refuses to remove the specimen, insisting that she instead goes into cryo-stasis. This also explains the sheer amount of idiots on board, they were not selected for anything more than fodder, potential vessels for the bio-weapon.

So how then do we explain Weyland showing up like Mr burns at the end with his own unique secret motive for the whole excursion? Well, Vickers has her own agenda, she is indulging her father, but she and David are there for another reason. They already know about the aliens and this is not the first time this company has been involved with this planet.
It also explains her absolute indifference towards the crew and her lack of regard for they're well being. It adds merit to the fact that the success of Dr Elizabeth Shaw's mission is of little interest to her at all. Again she just wants some idiots to go stick they're heads in the black goo and get infected, and Shaw's curiosity makes her and fellow dreamer, Charlie Holloway, Ideal guinea pig candidates. This also explains why she got the Captain offside whilst dumb and dumber were trapped over night in bio-weapon storage facility.


Now am I just picking this theory from the sky?? No, The reason why I am suggesting all this is that it's been done before, these story's are common in the Alien franchise, and as I was watching it, it rang a few bells from some of the Aliens story's I have read.

Wait and see but I am quite sure that's where this sequel is heading. In keeping with traditional story's and themes. Otherwise, the whole story just doesn't make any sense!

Good post.

stevenmu wrote: »

I think that they said that the planet's atmosphere had roughly the same Oxygen and Nitrogen levels as our own, the only problem was that the Carbon Dioxide levels were too high. In fact I think that they even said they could breathe the atmosphere there for a few minutes before it would be toxic.

yeah the scottish scientist mentions that 3 mins without a helmet and you'd be dead, the atmosphere is there just poisonous