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Can I break someones nose and get away with it easily?

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  • #32
    celticcrash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 851 ✭✭✭celticcrash


    This would happen to you fromthetrees.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyfmD1lgaLk


  • #33
    celticcrash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 851 ✭✭✭celticcrash


    Thats what sneaky sh*ts get.


  • #34
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    Fromthetrees wrote: »
    Okay, say I say my name is Philip John Murphy but my friends call me John, the Garda writes out the charge as John Murphy, say I'm actually called Phil by everyone I know, even as it's recorded as John or Phil Murphy my passport still might say Philip Murphy, it wouldn't be an exact match on the name anywhere, it's not like you're going to 'remember' your PPS number.
    Like I said, if this happened it would be in Galway, I'm from Waterford, even if the Garda physically drove all the way there I can easily go to any of my friends houses there, quite simply, the Garda calls to this house and says 'does Mr. Murphy live here', person your friends with says 'Yes', they release you from their custody because they have '100% established' who you are and where you live.
    A few weeks or months later a Garda calls with a summons, whoever answers at that address says he doesn't live here anymore, Garda says where's he gone, person that answers the door says 'I don't know.'
    Henceforth I've just gotten away with breaking someones nose and will in all likelihood never get caught for it, that's my point.

    You seem to be missing the point!
    If you have no Id on you then they have to verify who you are.
    You can give a wrong first name if you like but they will match you with surname, dob, pps number, phone number, tatoos what ever, it's not that easy to hide from them.
    They will keep calling with the summons until they eventually find you and they can call to your parents address.
    If the summons is for assault then the judge will issue an arrest warrant for you when you fail to turn up in court.


  • #35
    Fromthetrees
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,846 ✭✭✭Fromthetrees


    hondasam wrote: »
    You seem to be missing the point!
    If you have no Id on you then they have to verify who you are.
    You can give a wrong first name if you like but they will match you with surname, dob, pps number, phone number, tatoos what ever, it's not that easy to hide from them.
    They will keep calling with the summons until they eventually find you and they can call to your parents address.
    If the summons is for assault then the judge will issue an arrest warrant for you when you fail to turn up in court.

    I think you're missing my point, if the Garda doesn't physically know you in the first place, because you're from the other side of the country they have no realistic way of truly knowing who you are, that's the bottom line to me.
    We're not talking about well known criminals or IRA men, I'm talking about somebody who's not on PULSE or anything, essentially, an unknown.

    Okay, somewhat fake name like I posted above (I could give you so many examples of Irish names where there is so much ambiguity even if you had spelled out the name it wouldn't be too crazy if you went it was actually something else you meant),
    who else can they talk to and verify if the rest of what you said is true or not, I'm bringing them to 'my house' where I actually just know one of the people there well, or a girl I know or anybody I know half well enough and not at all well enough where they obviously won't know my dob, pps number, phone number (who registers their phone as their actual name and address in the first place?) and if that person 'never' saw me again it wouldn't be impossible, don't have tatoos.

    Just don't get how I can get caught.

    By the way I've never been in a fight while out and about but I also carry nothing, I have cash and my smokes usually, sometimes my phone, that would be it.


  • #36
    facemelter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,266 ✭✭✭facemelter


    My uncle still has my nose.


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  • #37
    Oranage2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,129 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    Punch him in the back of nose so he won't see you.


  • #38
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    Fromthetrees wrote: »
    I think you're missing my point, if the Garda doesn't physically know you in the first place, because you're from the other side of the country they have no realistic way of truly knowing who you are, that's the bottom line to me.

    It's their job to find out who you are and they will find out before they release you.
    Do you think they will just let you go without knowing who you are or where you live? If this were the case everyone would give a false name.
    They could ask someone to come to the station and verify who you are and they would have to have to have ID, would someone lie for you and take the fallout?

    Is your phone not in your name? My phone is registered in my name and at my address. I assume you have a passport btw.


  • #39
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    I can confirm that this bloke didnt do anytime for this crime
    http://www.herald.ie/news/courts/attacker-broke-woman-victims-nose-court-told-2095729.html

    So you probably would get away with it :rolleyes:


  • #40
    TheBegotten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 541 ✭✭✭TheBegotten


    If they can't find you on their system they'll confront you with it. Believe it or not, An Garda Siochana are somewhat professional, they don't write down nicknames, its the full details you provide. If, for any reason, these details are false or misaccurate, you can be VERY sure it would be a source of suspicion for the arresting officers. For something as minor as a broken nose? Totally not worth the extra trouble.


  • #41
    TheBegotten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 541 ✭✭✭TheBegotten


    facemelter wrote: »
    My uncle still has my nose.
    Gaah! I'm going to be awake all night trying to remember where I heard that!


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  • #42
    Humans eh!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 403 ✭✭Humans eh!


    Break someones nose?
    You will be traced, identified, hunted down, arrested at work and humiliated (losing your job) given a bit of a roughing up in the van, then same again in a cell, you will be intimidated and detained as long as possible, dragged before a small fat ignorant little judge who will berate you and your family, you will get a small custodial sentence, a large fine, a criminal record which will prevent you from having a career, erase any possibility of ease of travel /emigration and haunt you till you die in squalor after being sued by the victim for every penny your family has, then be buried in a paupers grave with no marker and be forgotten by all.

    However if you screw over the entire country with ineptitude and sheer greed, lose billions of other peoples money and drive the entire economy to breaking point through intentional fraud you can retire to Florida to play golf with your buddies on a generous pension without a care in the world leaving your nestegg secure offshore.
    Welcome to Ireland.


  • #43
    Fromthetrees
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,846 ✭✭✭Fromthetrees


    hondasam wrote: »
    It's their job to find out who you are and they will find out before they release you.
    Do you think they will just let you go without knowing who you are or where you live? If this were the case everyone would give a false name.
    They could ask someone to come to the station and verify who you are and they would have to have to have ID, would someone lie for you and take the fallout?

    Is your phone not in your name? My phone is registered in my name and at my address. I assume you have a passport btw.

    I know like,
    but it's also their job to move on the drunks and junkies from hanging around begging and getting off their head on the street, that doesn't happen.

    Look, my point is, you've told them who you are and where you live, and in this hypotheticalness they have actually brought you to the the address you gave to verify as such. You are released from their custody and in reality they have had no real proof of who you are other than some person you know who answered the door and went 'yep'. You've gotten away with it, I just don't see how you can't.

    Just to say my phone will never be registered in my name and address, same as my email address, my age and dob when I'm giving any information online will not be mine and different every time if I'm 'required' to enter it, don't upload photos of myself online, I know I'm getting off the point but I find the whole thing creepy and wierd, people who know me in real life know me online, I don't see any need to load up any detail of mine to people I don't know just to say.


  • #44
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    Fromthetrees wrote: »
    I know like,
    but it's also their job to move on the drunks and junkies from hanging around begging and getting off their head on the street, that doesn't happen.

    Look, my point is, you've told them who you are and where you live, and in this hypotheticalness they have actually brought you to the the address you gave to verify as such. You are released from their custody and in reality they have had no real proof of who you are other than some person you know who answered the door and went 'yep'. You've gotten away with it, I just don't see how you can't.

    Just to say my phone will never be registered in my name and address, same as my email address, my age and dob when I' giving any information online will not be mine and different every time if I'm 'required' to enter it, don't upload photos of myself online, I know I'm getting off the point but I find the whole thing creepy and wierd, people who know me in real life know me online, I don't see any need to load up any detail of mine to people I don't know.

    You might tell them but they will need ID and they will not be bringing you anywhere except to the garda station until you provide proof of who you are.
    Can you not understand they will not release you without ID. Do you have a passport to show them?

    I dunno about your phone but I had to give a copy of my passport every time I changed my phone.
    Do you think your ID is that much of a secret?


  • #45
    mikemac1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    You have not stumbled across some genius scheme OP

    If this worked every drunk found scrapping around Eyre Sq would say they are not from the city and use their friends to lie for them

    It just won't work, why are you so convinced it will?


    Nobody is driving you from Galway to Waterford
    You stay in Mill St until you identify yourself
    If you want to show yourself before Judge Fahy that can be arranged too but she doesn't accept nonsense


  • #46
    Fromthetrees
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,846 ✭✭✭Fromthetrees


    hondasam wrote: »
    You might tell them but they will need ID and they will not be bringing you anywhere except to the garda station until you provide proof of who you are.
    Can you not understand they will not release you without ID. Do you have a passport to show them?

    I dunno about your phone but I had to give a copy of my passport every time I changed my phone.
    Do you think your ID is that much of a secret?

    You needed your passport to get a phone? :confused:
    I lose my phone a couple of times a year and whenever I lose it I walk in and say give me the cheapest phone money can buy, and I get one for less than 20 euro. :)
    Are you suppose to have ID either on you or at your address for any situation the government requires you too, surely your not required to, we don't live in a police state, not yet anyway (should we?).
    Again, to be clear, I really have nothing to hide, my identity would probably be easy enough to steal if someone really tried I'm just saying I simply don't want anyone to know me online unless I know them in real life, and I think that's the way it is.
    I know a lot of people who have no passport, don't drive so have no drivers license and don't have an age card, what is left, give them an ESB bill, oh, but that's not in my name, I just think there is no way you can't get away with it, even if you didn't plan out how to get away with it.


  • #47
    thebankers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20 ✭thebankers


    If by "getting away with it" by having a criminal record is ok with you, knock yourself out champ.


  • #48
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    Fromthetrees wrote: »
    You needed your passport to get a phone? :confused:
    I lose my phone a couple of times a year and whenever I lose it I walk in and say give me the cheapest phone money can buy, and I get one for less than 20 euro. :)
    Are you suppose to have ID either on you or at your address for any situation the government requires you too, surely your not required to, we don't live in a police state, not yet anyway (should we?).
    Again, to be clear, I really have nothing to hide, my identity would probably be easy enough to steal if someone really tried I'm just saying I simply don't want anyone to know me online unless I know them in real life, and I think that's the way it is.
    I know a lot of people who have no passport, don't drive so have no drivers license and don't have an age card, what is left, give them an ESB bill, oh, but that's not in my name, I just think there is no way you can't get away with it, even if you didn't plan out how to get away with it.

    I have a bill phone and yes I have to give a copy of my passport and a recent bill to prove my address.
    Birth cert, everyone has one of them.
    You have to provide ID to a garda if requested to do so and they can hold you until you provide it and they are satisfied with who you are.
    You cannot commit a crime and give a false name and think you will get away with it seriously. If you asked a friend to verify who you were would they lie for you?


  • #49
    DB10
    Site Banned Posts: 2,719 ✭✭✭DB10


    Nearly all assaults I've witnessed have not resulted in charges. Usually the gardai wont be around, and you would need to go looking for them.

    People either shake it off and look to hit back if they arent seriously hurt, or if its bad enough I assume they would be out to the hospital then a decision on pressing charges.

    At the end of the day the gardai are ****ing useless. It all depends on the circumstances and who is involved what happens after.

    If you were smart though you would get away with it very easily.


  • #50
    DB10
    Site Banned Posts: 2,719 ✭✭✭DB10


    thebankers wrote: »
    If by "getting away with it" by having a criminal record is ok with you, knock yourself out champ.

    I assume he means not getting caught/charged. Remember the gardai wont likely lift you if they dont see the incident and there is drink involved.

    All depends though, some people will go to the gardai afterwards if you break their nose and I wouldnt blame them. Others wont. If there is permanent damage I assume the gardai would be involved in most cases. But many people can take a kicking and have no lasting affect. Just all depends really.

    Myself I always wondered if you had no record, or ID and gave a fake name/address or even none. What would they do? They have to release you after a certain time anyway.


  • #51
    Fromthetrees
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,846 ✭✭✭Fromthetrees


    hondasam wrote: »
    I have a bill phone and yes I have to give a copy of my passport and a recent bill to prove my address.
    Birth cert, everyone has one of them.
    You have to provide ID to a garda if requested to do so and they can hold you until you provide it and they are satisfied with who you are.
    You cannot commit a crime and give a false name and think you will get away with it seriously. If you asked a friend to verify who you were would they lie for you?

    Fine, what if the Garda requests ID and you simply don't have ID, I don't have my birth cert, everyone has one somewhere, where though?
    I'm being serious, how really can they prove I'm me?
    I'm saying the calling to a house and someone at the door going yes he lives here and his name is Phil is exactly how they ensure the person is who they are, I've never heard anywhere of them going to larger extents, and how would they if they could?" and weeks/months later when the warrant comes 'oh, he doesn't live here', (maybe because I know the people who did it).
    It's quite so ridiculously plausible.


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  • #52
    mikemac1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    I think you should have started this thread over in Legal forum
    The legal eagles have all the answers

    You can still start a thread there

    Fromthetrees wrote: »
    weeks/months later when the warrant comes

    Why would a warrant be issued?

    If it's going to court then you get a summons


  • #53
    fallen01angel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 340 ✭✭fallen01angel


    Fromthetrees wrote: »
    Say if I go to Galway for a night to visit a friend and I hypothetically get into a fight, lets say completely unprovoked on the other persons part, and break someones nose, how do the Guards know who I am?
    I'm not violent in anyway, haven't been in a fight since school ect. I'm just genuinely curious can you actually do this and get away with it quite easily. I wouldn't be known around Galway, say I only have my smokes and cash on me and 'I don't remember where my friend lives', what the hell can they do? :confused:

    I'm all too well aware I may have too much to think about pointless stuff.

    All they have to do is trace you from this thread* and you are so going to jail. Word of advice....do not post your bold plans for next weekend on AH...........

    *I've had a few.


  • #54
    guitarzero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭guitarzero


    "Hey, so why you off to galway for bro?"

    "Gonna break a mans nose!"

    "Hahahaha...haha...haha...ha...bro, you still goin on about that, he didnt mean it, he was just an old man trying to move past in the cue, give him a break, it was 4 years ago, christ!"


  • #55
    Fromthetrees
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,846 ✭✭✭Fromthetrees


    So nobody really can explain that doing what I said in the OP isn't so very easily possible and doable. :(

    Thought hondasam made a half decent effort but effectively had nothing.

    I wanted to be wrong.


  • #56
    Sharpshooter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,859 ✭✭✭✭Sharpshooter


    Fromthetrees wrote: »
    So nobody really can explain that doing what I said in the OP isn't so very easily possible and doable. :(

    Thought hondasam made a half decent effort but effectively had nothing.

    I wanted to be wrong.

    Then take up mikemac1's advice and ask in Legal Discussion.
    mikemac1 wrote: »
    I think you should have started this thread over in Legal forum
    The legal eagles have all the answers

    You can still start a thread there




    Why would a warrant be issued?

    If it's going to court then you get a summons


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