Is Earning Over 60K+ Still Considered A Good Wage These Days??

flutterflye · 02-06-2012 09:33PM

Is €60k the most he could earn?
If so, then, yeah, I would think that's low for the top wage.

But as a wage in general - that's feckin loads!

hobochris · 02-06-2012 09:33PM

Sea Filly wrote: »

Serious la-la land going on here.

not at all.

its about supply and demand.

Their is a demand for educated + expereinced technical people that far outweighs supply.

Often these area's are difficult to get into, as they are interlectually taxing and often not for everyone (high drop out / failure rates in college).

hobochris · 02-06-2012 09:35PM

krudler wrote: »

hell no, thats double what a lot of people in retail or non managerial jobs earn. I'd be happy out if I was on that a year

not really comparing like for like, comparing unskilled to skilled.

questionmark? · 02-06-2012 09:38PM

forfuxsake wrote: »

It's a decent wage.

A friend of mine earns that. He gets about 800 a week after tax etc. His boom-time mortgage takes 350, leaving him 450. He smokes a pack a day, more at weekends and this takes another 70, leaving him 380.His car costs him about 100 a week(tax/insurance/loan repayments) with another 80 on fuel for his commute. So now he has 200 left but from that he still has to buy food, clothes, medical bills and everything else for four people.

If the mortgage was lower or if his wife got a job they would be more comfortable but the moment the cost of childcare would more or less equal his wife's potential salary if she could get a job but she can't anyway.

His weekly pay is £800 after tax!

My heart bleeds for him his life must be like so hard like :rolleyes:

Stop smoking or start smoking rollies.

£100 on the car per week before fuel? Tell him sell the car. I'm guessing he isnt 18 with that wage, mortgage etc... so why the hell is it costing this much? Keeping up with the Jones.

Also add this to his income

In 2012 Child Benefit is €140 per month for each of the first two children. From 1 Jaunary 2012 the rate for the third child is €148 and for the 4th and each subsequent child is €160.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/social_welfare_payments_to_families_and_children/child_benefit.html

Shane732 · 02-06-2012 09:42PM

Sea Filly wrote: »

Serious la-la land going on here.

:pac::pac:

For a professionally qualified person €60k is nowhere near the high end of the scale.

Hell a very good newly professionally qualified person is capable of earning €60k.

areyawell · 02-06-2012 09:46PM

60k is a very well paid job. Average wage these days is 30-35k. How many jobs on irish jobs do you see with a wage of 60k. Probably 1% of them. Stop talking nonsense and living in a fairly land. Best paid jobs these days are probably programming as there is a massive demand in Ireland for them. Unless you have management material or very good at the work 10 or twenty years down the line ya might hit that wage

Jen Pigs Fly · 02-06-2012 09:47PM

Ehhhhhhh yea

What's his number? I'm on the look out for a rich sugar daddy

humbert · 02-06-2012 09:48PM

More importantly, if he becomes a civil engineer all the other engineers will make fun of him.

Max_Charger · 02-06-2012 09:49PM

Shane732 wrote: »

Hell a very good newly professionally qualified person is capable of earning €60k.

shenanigans

Sea Filly · 02-06-2012 09:49PM

Shane732 wrote: »

:pac::pac:

For a professionally qualified person €60k is nowhere near the high end of the scale.

Hell a very good newly professionally qualified person is capable of earning €60k.

There are highly-qualified and knowledgeable post-doctoral researchers in my workplace who might be just about on 40k.

Suppose it depends on the area.

I'm a researcher and get paid 20k per annum. But my job is hardly worthless, now is it?

Shane732 · 02-06-2012 09:52PM

Sea Filly wrote: »

There are highly-qualified and knowledgeable post-doctoral researchers in my workplace who might be just about on 40k.

Suppose it depends on the area.

I'm a researcher and get paid 20k per annum. But my job is hardly worthless, now is it?

True it depends on the area and more importantly the individuals ability.

I'm not at all saying anyone's job is worthless, far from it.

Sea Filly · 02-06-2012 09:54PM

Shane732 wrote: »

True it depends on the area and more importantly the individuals ability.

These people are all very good at what they do.

some random drunk · 02-06-2012 09:54PM

60k? If I was on half of that I'd be happy.

In fact I'd consider selling my body to old, bald, fat men if it meant I would earn 60k per annum.

Shane732 · 02-06-2012 10:03PM

Sea Filly wrote: »

These people are all very good at what they do.

I'm not disputing that point.

I was more referring to a persons ability within what industry they are in. For example perhaps in the industry the researchers you are talking about work €40k is the top of the salary range.

In the industry I'm in the people with the most ability generally rise to the top and generally receive the highest remuneration packages provided they are able to negotiate etc...

Icepick · 02-06-2012 10:04PM

If that's not enough for you, start a business. There are plenty of opportunities in engineering.

krudler · 02-06-2012 10:09PM

hobochris wrote: »

not really comparing like for like, comparing unskilled to skilled.

I work in a call centre but I wouldnt consider myself unskilled,underpaid sure :pac: every job has some sort of skillset

CommanderC · 02-06-2012 10:12PM

Your friend sounds like a muppet. Probably won't get to the top of whatever career he chooses :pac:.

scwazrh · 02-06-2012 10:21PM

Icepick wrote: »

If that's not enough for you, start a business. There are plenty of opportunities in engineering.

+1 on that

You don't leave college and hit €60 k in a few years and be happy at that level . Keep educating yourself and start your own consultancy and then you will earn serious money as a construction professional.To me if you have a 9 till 5 job €60k a year is great But if you want to earn real money you need to become self employed and work 60-70 hr weeks and then there is no limit on the wages scale.

Dudess · 03-06-2012 09:57AM

My dad was a civil engineer and didn't get €60 grand, even after working up the ranks, although he was public sector - and despite the bullsh1t people write here, public sector pays less for such roles than private sector does.

freeze4real · 03-06-2012 10:06AM

I remember arguing with some boardsies that once I graduate the only job I'll go for is one that pays €45000 per year. That's salary in Ireland is too much for a graduate but it's being paid in some places like the UK Canada or the states.

In my area of profession I expect to get €60000 within 4 - 5years.

There are also individuals who get €450000+ and they're less that 26yrs old. THE.g those guys who work in quantitative fields. My bro for example works in a financial trading firm his mates if 23 earns 55000 per year plus 10% bonuses.

Yes they're jobs that pay that amount but it's. It those jobs that require no skills e.g call centre.

In the Uk those that earn over €60000 are a lot I mean a lot. Ireland is just s h i t in terms of ranges of employent.

dj jarvis · 03-06-2012 10:10AM

Dudess wrote: »

My dad was a civil engineer and didn't get €60 grand, even after working up the ranks, although he was public sector - and despite the bullsh1t people write here, public sector pays less for such roles than private sector does.

come on dudess , bit of a blanket generalization is it not ?

i know a lot are on less than the private sector but equally some are on mad money

civil engineers for the county planners ( not all county's but most ) were reported to be earning 150k plus benefits and pensions

i also know of civil engineers working for semi states on 100k plus , and lets not go into how much they earn in the ESB group , so your father may have been poorly paid in relation to others , but many are paid well in excess of the private sector norms , and lets remember people in the private sector could NEVER fund a pension similar to public sector one

swings and roundabouts

as for the question from the OP - stupid stupid question - what planet do you live on ?

Turpentine · 03-06-2012 10:11AM

Cybercubed wrote: »

One of my younger friends of applying for civil engineering at university.

But one of the things that bothers him though is that civil engineers aren't paid that well. Nice starting salary of 25k but only 60k once at the top. He's considering doing another career because of its poorer pay.

But I was shocked to hear him say this and thought 60k was considered a good wage?

Is the standard of living becoming so high that 50k-60k nowadays is becoming a poor wage? Particularly for university graduates??

Is the average wage really rising that fast nowadays that if you're not 60k+ you'll struggle in life??

60k per annum is a good wage. If he doesn't think so at this early stage, he'll probably be one of those people who'll always be broke no matter how much they earn due to living outside their means.

padd b1975 · 03-06-2012 10:29AM

freeze4real wrote: »

I remember arguing with some boarders that once I graduate the only job I'll go for is one that pays €45000 per year. That's salary in Ireland is took much for a graduate but it's being paid in some plays like the UK or the states.

In my area of progression I expect to get €60000 within 4 - 5years.

There are also individuals who get €450000+ and they're less that 26yrs old. THE.g those guys who work in quantitative fields. My bro for example works in a finanacial trading firm his mates if 23 earns 55000 per year plus 10% bonuses.

Yes they're jobs that pay that amount but it's. It those jobs that require no skills e.g call centre.

In the Uk those that earn over €60000 are a lot I mean a lot. Ireland is just s h i t in terms of ranges of employent.

Still trying to get to grips with the touch screen typing??

Ms.M · 03-06-2012 10:32AM

Is he working in the public sector?
I have engineers in the clann and they already make that. They're in their thirties. They're not civil engineers mind you.
60k is a good wage though, even for professions these days.

EDIT: Sorry dj jarvis, only saw your post now. I didn't think you could make anywhere near that in that kind of role in the public sector.
Mind you, my sister worked for the ESB national grid and was on 20-25k gross (punts) before she moved to private. That was back in 2002. She didn't think the prospects were that great.

blindside88 · 03-06-2012 10:57AM

If he's choosing his line of Study based on how much he can potentially make chances are he'll never be a top earner, he should do something he enjoys and the money will come (to an extent)

con1982 · 03-06-2012 11:04AM

some random drunk wrote: »

60k? If I was on half of that I'd be happy.

In fact I'd consider selling my body to old, bald, fat men if it meant I would earn 60k per annum.

So, if the old guy still had his own hair? Less than 60k, i'm thinking

blzbear · 03-06-2012 11:08AM

25K is a good start... lucky at that.........
60K- great...

these days you are lucky to get anything.

Its not all about money either

forfuxsake · 03-06-2012 11:08AM

questionmark? wrote: »

His weekly pay is £800 after tax!

My heart bleeds for him his life must be like so hard like :rolleyes:

Stop smoking or start smoking rollies.

£100 on the car per week before fuel? Tell him sell the car. I'm guessing he isnt 18 with that wage, mortgage etc... so why the hell is it costing this much? Keeping up with the Jones.

Also add this to his income
http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/social_welfare_payments_to_families_and_children/child_benefit.html

I couldn't agree more, especially with the smoking. He bought at the wrong time and can't get rid of the mortgage and the car will be paid off soon, making him 80 a week richer, and then run into the ground. I don't feel sorry for him and I don't think he feels sorry for himself. I'm only highlighting that 60k is a decent wage but it doesn't make you rich. As a single man/woman you would be pretty affluent with 800 a week.

Dudess · 03-06-2012 11:15AM

Ms.M wrote: »

Is he working in the public sector?
I have engineers in the clann and they already make that. They're in their thirties. They're not civil engineers mind you.
60k is a good wage though, even for professions these days.

EDIT: Sorry dj jarvis, only saw your post now. I didn't think you could make anywhere near that in that kind of role in the public sector.
Mind you, my sister worked for the ESB national grid and was on 20-25k gross (punts) before she moved to private. That was back in 2002. She didn't think the prospects were that great.

Whatever about semi states (and I appreciate ESB technical staff get paid very well - shame lazy people, especially the braindead dregs of humanity who post comments to TheJournal.ie, apply this to admin staff also) I would not believe for a second that county engineers are on 150k. I'm familiar with local government, having worked there and having a parent who worked there for 35 years - that kind of figure is just alien to the local government world.

dj jarvis · 03-06-2012 11:24AM

Dudess wrote: »

Whatever about semi states (and I appreciate ESB technical staff get paid very well - shame lazy people, especially the braindead dregs of humanity who post comments to TheJournal.ie, apply this to admin staff also) I would not believe for a second that county engineers are on 150k. I'm familiar with local government, having worked there and having a parent who worked there for 35 years - that kind of figure is just alien to the local government world.

the sindo and times reported about a year ago about county wage bills , on the back of the house hold charge being used for local services , but it was flagged that SOME staff in the local system were being paid loads compared to private sector , granted i never insinuated all were being paid overly , but in fairness a lot are , and the longer they ride the system the more they get

some county managers were reported as getting near 200k ( incl pension and perks )
the esb is a unfair example considering the astronomical wage they are on , but i would find it hard to believe that even today a civil engineer with state or semi state is earning anything other that 60k plus a year , but im open to correction on this one

because i know one person who works for a gov dept as a buildings maintenance man for the last 15 years and he is on just under 55k per year so would imagine civil engineer would be on more ?

Is Earning Over 60K+ Still Considered A Good Wage These Days??

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