Sinn Fein- Never forget

swimming in a sea · 01-06-2012 1:07pm

Dotsey wrote: »

Sinn Fein were previously in government in the 1st Dáil and 2nd Dáil.

Speaking about Nazi's.. I think FG are the ones who are more like Nazi's when you look at their history.

i was not comparing their polices, only their attempt to take power. Sinn Fein now and the early 20's have a very thin link

golfball37 · 01-06-2012 2:30pm

swimming in a sea wrote: »

i was not comparing their polices, only their attempt to take power. Sinn Fein now and the early 20's have a very thin link

You do realise it was the actions of a puppet German govt that led to the vaccuum that allowed the Nazis to flourish, harsh rules were imposed on the German nation. In this climate fringe parties always flourish, the real fix here is to address whats causing this swing but thats too complex for most Irish people sadly. They'd rather fix the stone in the shoe than the bleeding from the head.

I would take SF over the 3 main parties that have ruined this state any day of the week or at least until they do the same.

the lack of any alternative to the treacherous 3 is why SF are doing well.

K-9 · 01-06-2012 2:57pm

Cut out the OTT comparisons and rhetoric please. Adds nothing for the discussion.

Hannibal · 01-06-2012 3:00pm

swimming in a sea wrote: »

i was not comparing their polices, only their attempt to take power. Sinn Fein now and the early 20's have a very thin link

Every party is attempting to take power, you compared them to the Nazi party even though in terms of policy FG are most similar and FG and the Nazi's have historical links.

Of SF now and in the early 20's have thin links but it's the same party, the world has changed a lot so policy might differ but it's the same party.

And the comment in your previous post about comparing them to terminal cancer was disgraceful and insensitive to anyone who has ever seen that disease firsthand on close family or friends.

Monty Burnz · 01-06-2012 3:03pm

Dotsey wrote: »

swimming in a sea wrote: »

i was not comparing their polices, only their attempt to take power. Sinn Fein now and the early 20's have a very thin link

Every party is attempting to take power, you compared them to the Nazi party even though in terms of policy FG are most similar and FG and the Nazi's have historical links.

Of SF now and in the early 20's have thin links but it's the same party, the world has changed a lot so policy might differ but it's the same party.

And the comment in your previous post about comparing them to terminal cancer was disgraceful and insensitive to anyone who has ever seen that disease firsthand on close family or friends.

Could you do us a favour and outline what you think are the main policy overlaps between Kenny's FG and the Nazi party?

golfball37 · 01-06-2012 3:10pm

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Could you do us a favour and outline what you think are the main policy overlaps between Kenny's FG and the Nazi party?

The intent to do whats best for the German people would be a good starting point.

Laminations · 01-06-2012 3:31pm

golfball37 wrote: »

The intent to do whats best for the German people would be a good starting point.

Please give a policy that represents this intent

swimming in a sea · 01-06-2012 3:43pm

K-9 wrote: »

Cut out the OTT comparisons and rhetoric please. Adds nothing for the discussion.

If you're referring to the nazi comparisons then I think you've got wrong, nationalism is on the rise across Europe just like the 30's. History don't forget.

Son Of A Vidic · 01-06-2012 10:41pm

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Was this the SF/IRA position when they were murdering young children or ordering proxy suicide bombings? It's fine rhetoric though, fair play.

I'm sure everybody is delighted that they've stopped murdering people, but that doesn't mean we have to forget what they did in the past, does it? Anders Breivik has stopped killing people too - would you give him a preference if he called to your door?

Well, seeing as you are not stuck in the past, I can imagine you patiently hearing out Breivik's positions on the Household Charge and educational policy on your doorstep, rather than telling him to take a hike.

Well it took Sinn Fein 30 bloody years to learn to accept it, so let's not throw stones, eh?

Anders Brevik? You really, really should be on stage with that talent. Entertaining if nothing else, anyway nice attempt to bait there and missing the point as usual I see. Fortunately, I know your modus operandi well enough by now and can thus avoid wasting my time.

Monty Burnz · 01-06-2012 10:47pm

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Anders Brevik? You really, really should be on stage with that talent. Entertaining if nothing else, anyway nice attempt to bait there and missing the point as usual I see. Fortunately, I know your modus operandi well enough by now and can thus avoid wasting my time.

Well that's as a elegant way as I've seen to run away from a discussion, fair play. You could admit that you have no coherent counter-argument, but this works just as well.

EURATS · 01-06-2012 11:31pm

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Anders Brevik? You really, really should be on stage with that talent. Entertaining if nothing else, anyway nice attempt to bait there and missing the point as usual I see. Fortunately, I know your modus operandi well enough by now and can thus avoid wasting my time.

Well that's as a elegant way as I've seen to run away from a discussion, fair play. You could admit that you have no coherent counter-argument, but this works just as well.

Well said Corvus maximus. Need to be careful of this type of individual.

I take it he is comfortable with supporting the terror attacks on Afghanistan and on Iraq by the rulers of the GOOD world that is facilitated by our own government with extraordinary rendition flights and US troop movements through Shannon. Irish companies also supply some of the components for the weapons that visit innocent people while they sleep in their beds. Plenty of blood on the governments hands. And on our hands because they "represent" us.

Also, Eamon Gillmore, formerly official Sinn Fein/official IRA...but that's ok right?

Is no surprise that they are anti Sinn Féin. Am not a SF member, but I recognise they are relatively new to southern Irish politics and will therefore need to learn the ropes. The 3 clown parties that have dominated us for years really should know how to run a country at this stage. But as we all know..they DON'T!!!
The way the country voted yesterday shows that they are so greedy and desperate for money to run this uneconomic dump, that they will sell their country for pittance to continue living beyond their means.
It will come to an end. That is for sure!!

Monty Burnz · 01-06-2012 11:39pm

EURATS wrote: »

Well said Corvus maximus. Need to be careful of this type of individual.

What, someone who sees through Shinner propaganda? Yeah, you need to be careful alright. Sure you can probably round up people like me when the Shinners get into power.

EURATS wrote: »

I take it he is comfortable with supporting the terror attacks on Afghanistan and on Iraq by the rulers of the GOOD world that is facilitated by our own government with extraordinary rendition flights and US troop movements through Shannon. Plenty of blood on the governments hands. And on our hands because they "represent" us.

I take it you approve of slavery and raping dogs.

What, you don't? Well there's a lesson for me in making assumptions about what other people approve of... :rolleyes:

EURATS wrote: »

Also, Eamon Gillmore, formerly official Sinn Fein/official IRA...but that's ok right?

Not at all. If you can provide any sort of evidence of Eamonn Gilmore being involved in murder, I'd love to see it.

EURATS wrote: »

Is no surprise that they are anti Sinn Féin.
The way they voted yesterday shows that they are so greedy and desperate for money to run this uneconomic dump, that they will sell their country for pittance to continue living beyond their means.
It will come to an end. That is for sure!!

They? Who is 'they'? Your army of straw men?

I was hoping for a 'no' vote, as it happens. I think we need to balance the budget ASAP.

Anyway, you carry on building a straw man to argue against - it certainly gives you a reasonable chance of managing a draw at least.

EURATS · 01-06-2012 11:50pm

Monty, u are so wise to be able to see so clearly through SF propaganda..is a pity you are so blind to all the other parties propaganda. It wouldn't particularly upset me if I heard you were rounded up by anyone who could be bothered. I would hope they would wear rubber gloves when dealing with u in order to protect their own hygiene. Obviously with ur fetish for interfering with dogs, you could be carrying anything.

In relation to Gilmore, can u prove Gerry adams killed anyone? Where's your evidence?

And as for ur other fetish for straw men..keep that sort of info to yourself. I don't think most normal people want to hear about it!!

Hannibal · 01-06-2012 11:52pm

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Not at all. If you can provide any sort of evidence of Eamonn Gilmore being involved in murder, I'd love to see it.

Actually provide any sort of evidence of Gerry Adams ever being involved in murder because I for one would love to see it.

Son Of A Vidic · 01-06-2012 11:55pm

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Well that's as a elegant way as I've seen to run away from a discussion, fair play. You could admit that you have no coherent counter-argument, but this works just as well.

No coherent counter argument? There's that sense of humour again - you funny guy. You probably should stop flattering yourself so much though, because it never comes across well.

If you looked at the bigger picture though. You might see how naive it was to compare Andres Brevik to Sinn Fein. Ideologically speaking, they are at opposite ends of the spectrum. Brevik is a right wing extremist, his politics beliefs are more suitably aligned with Ulster Loyalism - UDA/UVF and the English Combat 18 group ect.

I really don't particularly care about the Sinn Fein party, or how successful or unsuccessful they are politically. But it is amazing reading some of the tired, old, gutter press style scare mongering about them. Personally, I have come to terms with them inevitably getting into government in the future.

Shinners this, shinners that, just move on will ya? It's old, it's tired and it's a mindset stuck in the past. Paisley, McGuinness, Robinson, Adams, Trimble and Blair ect, they all left the mire of intransigence behind them. And I commend each and every one of them for doing it.

Yzf R6 · 01-06-2012 11:58pm

Monty Burnz wrote: »

What, someone who sees through Shinner propaganda? Yeah, you need to be careful alright. Sure you can probably round up people like me when the Shinners get into power.

I take it you approve of slavery and raping dogs.

What, you don't? Well there's a lesson for me in making assumptions about what other people approve of... :rolleyes:

Not at all. If you can provide any sort of evidence of Eamonn Gilmore being involved in murder, I'd love to see it.

They? Who is 'they'? Your army of straw men?

I was hoping for a 'no' vote, as it happens. I think we need to balance the budget ASAP.

Anyway, you carry on building a straw man to argue against - it certainly gives you a reasonable chance of managing a draw at least.

Grow up Monty,your arguments are wearing thin on this forum,pointless and childish.Its quite clear your anti SF and thats your right but stop repeating yourself with useless rubbish,at least have a factual debate and see the pros and cons on both sides,and less of bashing people and slagging others off who's opinions differ to your own.

laoch na mona · 01-06-2012 11:59pm

while all the hatred for sf and not a mention of the dup's past

Monty Burnz · 02-06-2012 12:03am

laoch na mona wrote: »

while all the hatred for sf and not a mention of the dup's past

When the DUP come asking for my vote to run the country, they will get plenty of hard questions, don't worry.

getzls · 02-06-2012 12:07am

laoch na mona wrote: »

while all the hatred for sf and not a mention of the dup's past

SF=IRA, DUP= well, not an armed terrorist force.

EURATS · 02-06-2012 12:08am

Monty Burnz wrote: »

laoch na mona wrote: »

while all the hatred for sf and not a mention of the dup's past

When the DUP come asking for my vote to run the country, they will get plenty of hard questions, don't worry.

A real hard nut ya are monty. Plenty of Viagra and steroids me thinks!!

EURATS · 02-06-2012 12:09am

getzls wrote: »

laoch na mona wrote: »

while all the hatred for sf and not a mention of the dup's past

SF=IRA, DUP= well, not an armed terrorist force.

DUP = ulster resistance. Look it up!!

In relation to the IRA, what about the British running agents like steakknife and others who were part of the nutting squad that killed scores of people?

Monty Burnz · 02-06-2012 12:09am

Yzf R6 wrote: »

Grow up Monty,your arguments are wearing thin on this forum,pointless and childish.Its quite clear your anti SF and thats your right but stop repeating yourself with useless rubbish,at least have a factual debate and see the pros and cons on both sides,and less of bashing people and slagging others off who's opinions differ to your own.

I'm happy to debate the issues - it's you and your buddies who insist on personalising this, and you've carried this on by attacking me in this post rather than my arguments - torpedoing yourself.

If you have a point to make about my arguments, do that please.

Yzf R6 · 02-06-2012 12:10am

getzls wrote: »

SF=IRA, DUP= well, not an armed terrorist force.

Oh my god,can the post get any worse,the height of intelligence.....good man,very well educated.

laoch na mona · 02-06-2012 12:11am

getzls wrote: »

SF=IRA, DUP= well, not an armed terrorist force.

DUP=bigots who incited hatred during the troubles

Monty Burnz · 02-06-2012 12:12am

getzls wrote: »

SF=IRA, DUP= well, not an armed terrorist force.

The DUP have also flirted (putting it mildly) with some pretty dodgy groups in their time.

Mr Cumulonimbus · 02-06-2012 12:16am

Monty Burnz wrote: »

I'm sure everybody is delighted that they've stopped murdering people, but that doesn't mean we have to forget what they did in the past, does it? Anders Breivik has stopped killing people too - would you give him a preference if he called to your door?

If i remember rightly those involved in conflict in the North eventually agreed to the GFA, and the conflict ended, which meant that people stopped being killed. Anders Breivik also stopped killing people. So theres a similarity there i guess.

Could you tell me though why he stopped killing people?

Yzf R6 · 02-06-2012 12:17am

Monty Burnz wrote: »

I'm happy to debate the issues - it's you and your buddies who insist on personalising this, and you've carried this on by attacking me in this post rather than my arguments - torpedoing yourself.

If you have a point to make about my arguments, do that please.

More than happy to debate Monty,but won't really entertain useless tripe to be honest,pointless SF bashing not that I am Sf but I do consider myself Republican minded and proud of it,just don't think you should cast us all as killers etc.If you look back you your own history you may find your not too distant from republican opinions.

Monty Burnz · 02-06-2012 12:17am

Mr Cumulonimbus wrote: »

If i remember rightly those involved in conflict in the North eventually agreed to the GFA, and the conflict ended, which meant that people stopped being killed. Anders Breivik also stopped killing people. So theres a similarity there i guess

Could you tell me though why he stopped killing people?

I think it may be because he is in custody. But upon his eventual release, how long does he have to go without killing someone before he becomes a viable candidate?

(much better argument by the way, at least someone is thinking about this stuff)

EURATS · 02-06-2012 12:18am

Monty Burnz wrote: »

getzls wrote: »

SF=IRA, DUP= well, not an armed terrorist force.

The DUP have also flirted (putting it mildly) with some pretty dodgy groups in their time.

That's more like it monty. More balance. Also the British and Irish intelligence services(as they like to be called)were up to their neck in it. A filthy setup.

Son Of A Vidic · 02-06-2012 12:21am

getzls wrote: »

DUP= well, not an armed terrorist force.

I suspect you missed the DUP = Ulster Resistance, episode of The Troubles.

Sorry EURATS - I see you mentioned them already.

Sinn Fein- Never forget

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