Climbing Mt Everest is for idiots!

kfallon · 31-05-2012 01:44PM

smash wrote: »

But if people want to achieve a personal goal then let them be. What's the problem?

Surely if it affects your wife and 3 young kids then there is a problem?

smash · 31-05-2012 01:45PM

karma_ wrote: »

The problem is that when they pass a dying climber to in an attempt to summit, they left something of their humanity behind.

dying or dead?

kfallon wrote: »

Surely if it affects your wife and 3 young kids then there is a problem?

A handful, out of thousands. Sure a lot of people get killed driving but we all still do it.

Dave! · 31-05-2012 01:48PM

OldGoat wrote: »

I was all set to climb Bray Head this weekend but I've just found out someone already did it. I may go drinking instead.

Someone has already done that too. Unlucky mate.

My name is URL · 31-05-2012 01:48PM

Sauve wrote: »

Very few people will understand the mentality.
They do it to feel alive, achievement, power, self pride, throwing off the mundanity of life.

Clambering over and ignoring dying people to reach some personal goal wouldn't exactly leave me with a feeling of self pride, but each to their own I guess.

kfallon · 31-05-2012 01:48PM

smash wrote: »

A handful, out of thousands. Sure a lot of people get killed driving but we all still do it.

A handful out of millions! What do you think has the greater risk, dying while driving or dying while trying to climb Everest?

karma_ · 31-05-2012 01:49PM

smash wrote: »

dying or dead?

A handful, out of thousands. Sure a lot of people get killed driving but we all still do it.

Dying.

Dead climbers are left on the mountain, and I have no issues with that, however, when a group walks past and leaves a still breathing climber without offering assistance then there is something seriously wrong. There have now been some high profile cases where this has happened.

Dave! · 31-05-2012 01:54PM

My name is URL wrote: »

Clambering over and ignoring dying people to reach some personal goal wouldn't exactly leave me with a feeling of self pride, but each to their own I guess.

Is there something to suggest that the poster (Sauve) would be one of the people ignoring dying people along the way to achieving their goal? They were clearly commenting on the mindset of someone who sets out to climb Everest.

Pretty silly post tbh

smash · 31-05-2012 01:54PM

kfallon wrote: »

A handful out of millions! What do you think has the greater risk, dying while driving or dying while trying to climb Everest?

Well you'd probably have to look at the statistics. Either way, who cares, if people want to go full retard then let them at it.

karma_ wrote: »

Dying.

Dead climbers are left on the mountain, and I have no issues with that, however, when a group walks past and leaves a still breathing climber without offering assistance then there is something seriously wrong. There have now been some high profile cases where this has happened.

So attempting to climb the mountain is not selfish then, it's the judgements you make along the way that is.

kowloon · 31-05-2012 01:54PM

chin_grin wrote: »

So the best you (and the writer of that article) can get out of life is to sit at a computer and whine about it?

People do things to achieve something and feel proud of living, just let them at it and if you don't like it what business is it of yours?

I think the point the article tries to make is that people making their way up the mountain have a habit of absolving themselves of the responsibility to help others. Ignoring someone who's dying is hardly an achievement or something to feel proud about. They say that while an individual might not be able to help someone alone, if everyone stopped to help instead of passing by many more might be saved. They cite a few examples of people saved.

My personal view would be that anyone going up there has put themselves in danger by choice and should be prepared for the repercussions.
I'd like to believe people don't make a habit of abandoning others who could have been saved just to 'get to the top', but I'm sure it happens on occasion. In those cases it's not something to be proud of.

karma_ · 31-05-2012 01:58PM

smash wrote: »

Well you'd probably have to look at the statistics. Either way, who cares, if people want to go full retard then let them at it.

So attempting to climb the mountain is not selfish then, it's the judgements you make along the way that is.

I have no problems with anyone climbing Everest, I do have a problem with anyone who passes a dying climber to do so.

My father is a climber, and he feels extremely strongly on that point also, I believe in the climbing community it's looked very much down upon.

My name is URL · 31-05-2012 01:58PM

Dave! wrote: »

Is there something to suggest that the poster (Sauve) would be one of the people ignoring dying people along the way to achieving their goal? They were clearly commenting on the mindset of someone who sets out to climb Everest.

Pretty silly post tbh

Did I suggest that the poster would do such a thing? I was replying to a particular part of their post, in a thread which is about the selflessness and lack of empathy shown by many climbers these days.

Pretty silly reaction to my post tbh

smash · 31-05-2012 01:59PM

karma_ wrote: »

I have no problems with anyone climbing Everest, I do have a problem with anyone who passes a dying climber to do so.

So like I said then: "So attempting to climb the mountain is not selfish then, it's the judgements you make along the way that is."

karma_ · 31-05-2012 02:01PM

smash wrote: »

So like I said then: "So attempting to climb the mountain is not selfish then, it's the judgements you make along the way that is."

I'm not exactly sure why you keep throwing this one at me, I have never claimed that attempting to climb the mountain is a selfish act.

smash · 31-05-2012 02:05PM

But other have, and I asked what the problem was and you replied with "The problem is that when they pass a dying climber to in an attempt to summit, they left something of their humanity behind." - Which I agree with. I'm just underlining that wanting to climb is not selfish, it's the judgements that some people make that are selfish.

FatherLen · 31-05-2012 02:06PM

Suas11 wrote: »

Don't you mean the Murderhorn?
http://www.genericinternetcritic.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/vlcsnap-3068667.png

nope
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rbaqn5fMm38/Tvs_zCAo2WI/AAAAAAAAA54/JqObe4Y08xY/s1600/%2528Italy%252C+Switzerland%2529+%25E2%2580%2593+Matterhorn+-+Cervino+1.jpg

Statistician · 31-05-2012 02:07PM

karma_ wrote: »

I have no problems with anyone climbing Everest, I do have a problem with anyone who passes a dying climber to do so.

My father is a climber, and he feels extremely strongly on that point also, I believe in the climbing community it's looked very much down upon from the summit.

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SomeFool · 31-05-2012 02:10PM

FatherLen wrote: »

yeah, the matterhorn is where it's at.

It's actually a much tougher climb than Everest, probably a higher mortality rate too.

I think the thing with Everest is the ease at which it can be summitted, if you have the money you can basically be dragged to the top by your guide. There are far more dangerous mountains but you rarely hear that type of story from them. I guess people are there for the goal rather than the climb and have paid a lot for it and will try to succeed at all costs.

westendgirlie · 31-05-2012 02:11PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoCPuhhE6dw

Lando Griffin · 31-05-2012 02:15PM

Why climb it if it already has been clomb.
If its the scenery that your after then why not fly up it on a helicoptor.
If I want to go to Dublin Zoo, I dont walk there, I take the car.

ScumLord · 31-05-2012 02:17PM

flutterflye wrote: »

Don't get you.
I climbed Mt. Vesuvius - much easier than Everest of course, but that was cool - to have done it like.
Why not do it?
How is it selfish?
Really don't understand.
I mean - why does anyone go for a nice walk, or climb any mountain?
It's something nice to do.

Climbing mount Everest really isn't the same thing. It's incredibly dangerous, even if your the worlds best climber you stand a good chance of dying trying to get to and from the summit. There is a line that once you pass it climbing up the mountain there's no hope of rescue because anyone trying to rescue you would more than likely die in the attempt.

I'd assume that's what he meant by selfish. If you have a family your essentially putting them on the line to see one of the most inhospitable places on earth.

smash · 31-05-2012 02:17PM

Lando Griffin wrote: »

Why climb it if it already has been clomb.

Personal achievement. Come on, it's not rocket science. If we all decided to stop doing things just because other had done it previously then the world would basically stop working.

SomeFool · 31-05-2012 02:18PM

Lando Griffin wrote: »

If its the scenery that your after then why not fly up it on a helicoptor.
If I want to go to Dublin Zoo, I dont walk there, I take the car.

Helicopters can't fly that high for one thing....
If they did we wouldn't need this thread!

Lando Griffin · 31-05-2012 02:20PM

SomeFool wrote: »

Helicopters can't fly that high for one thing....
If they did we wouldn't need this thread!

That would be an achievement if someone could make one that did.

The Radiator · 31-05-2012 02:21PM

Ah shur, it's a bitta craic like

Statistician · 31-05-2012 02:22PM

Lando Griffin wrote: »

That would be an achievement if someone could make one that did.

Like this one?
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/adventure/0509/whats_new/helicopter_everest.html

Lando Griffin · 31-05-2012 02:24PM

Statistician wrote: »

Like this one?
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/adventure/0509/whats_new/helicopter_everest.html[/QUOTE]

Throws first drawing of my planed helicopter out the window.:mad:

ejmaztec · 31-05-2012 02:26PM

If someone climbed it backwards, butt-naked and blindfolded, I'd applaud them if they managed it, otherwise they'd be forgotten.

SomeFool · 31-05-2012 02:33PM

Statistician wrote: »

Like this one?
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/adventure/0509/whats_new/helicopter_everest.html

HelicopterPilot wrote:

The thought of rescuing climbers was one of the things that motivated me to do this project. But the forces I encountered were so powerful that to guarantee a safe flight you'd have to design a more powerful copter.

Still work to be done, I'd say the cost of it ever happening would be too much for the Nepalese to cover anyway.

Irish Guitarist · 31-05-2012 02:34PM

I never do anything dangerous. I'm really generous in that way.

Elmer Blooker · 31-05-2012 02:37PM

It's the world's highest rubbish dump apparently.(probably mentioned already?)
The Nepalese couldn't care less as long as it's a nice earner.

http://blog.ekimondo.com/?p=85

Climbing Mt Everest is for idiots!

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