euro 2012 how safe will it be

dirtyden · 28-05-2012 10:15PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

In fairness the English have done a lot to stamp out hooliganism in their game, to look at where they've come from the 70s and 80s to now its been a quantum leap.

The problems in Poland have remained.

To an extent I agree with you. The atmosphere in stadiums has improved no end. There is still an undercurrent there though that breaks out every now and again, the west ham milwall cup game a year ago, the rangers fans in manchester last year.

I dont think they are in a position to throw stones and i dont believe there will be any significant trouble in poland or the ukraine. I have embedded a clip of the famous lech poznan fans.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhM41wwh3VI

Note that their youth team lost and they cheered the winning team for 5 mins after. panorama did not show this ill bet.

token101 · 28-05-2012 10:19PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

In fairness the English have done a lot to stamp out hooliganism in their game, to look at where they've come from the 70s and 80s to now its been a quantum leap.

The problems in Poland have remained.

But there are problems in Spain, Italy, Russia, Serbia, and almost everywhere else outside of England, France and Germany. The problem isn't Sky Sports and the likes reporting on issues of racism. It's the whole subtext of 'We are far better equipped and should have the right to host major tournaments as these other nations clearly aren't good enough'. Which is bullsh*t really. They also conveniently gloss over the irony of lambasting Ukraine and Poland for their take on racism, as John Terry has had his racism trial delayed to avoid being jailed for the tournament.

Fratton Fred · 28-05-2012 10:22PM

dirtyden wrote: »

To an extent I agree with you. The atmosphere in stadiums has improved no end. There is still an undercurrent there though that breaks out every now and again, the west ham milwall cup game a year ago, the rangers fans in manchester last year.

I dont think they are in a position to throw stones and i dont believe there will be any significant trouble in poland or the ukraine. I have embedded a clip of the famous lech poznan fans.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhM41wwh3VI

Note that their youth team lost and they cheered the winning team for 5 mins after. panorama did not show this ill bet.

last time I looked Rangers were a Scottish team.

England fans have been fairly well behaved of late, I think France was the last time they were involved in anything major and they didn't start that.

Unfortunately the reputation will take some time to lose.

adamski8 · 28-05-2012 10:23PM

2012 poland ukraine-the crap will be kicked outta you
2010 south africa-you'll be raped and mugged
2006 germany-huge wars to break out between english and germans

Last time I remember things getting out of hand was in france 1998 when english fans went on the rampage.

I think everything will be fine except for maybe poland v russia game :eek:

italodisco · 28-05-2012 10:23PM

I've spent a few years in Poland and have a small business in Warsaw and I can tell you that there IS a problem with racism and facism there.

I've been unlucky enough to bump into hooligans over there and they made it very clear that they DON'T like the Irish too.... Don't reply with bull**** answers, I've lived there and experienced it first hand.

Having been to games there the best advice is to stay in big groups, if trouble starts DO NOT run off alone because tards are dyin to catch a lad alone.. was over there in Poland 2 weeks ago and a pals brother has just been gifted a metal plate in his jaw, he and friends set upon by hools.... From the same club he follows ...why ? Because he had shirt with drogba on it , they weren't impressed, accused him of being a n'g#er lover etc...... Mental stuff.....

Just remember , the hools have no fondness for us, even though we look after their pals with the social welfare and have great friendships with many poles here......

Btw, if any of u need advice about the trip and things to know once there etc just pm me, more than happy to help....

3ndahalfof6 · 28-05-2012 10:24PM

dirtyden wrote: »

To an extent I agree with you. The atmosphere in stadiums has improved no end. There is still an undercurrent there though that breaks out every now and again, the west ham milwall cup game a year ago, the rangers fans in manchester last year.

I dont think they are in a position to throw stones and i dont believe there will be any significant trouble in poland or the ukraine. I have embedded a clip of the famous lech poznan fans.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhM41wwh3VI

Note that their youth team lost and they cheered the winning team for 5 mins after. panorama did not show this ill bet.

I would of looked at the programme as a warning to fans of the game to be aware, there is a lot of different racist groups using the game to promote their views,

and while doing this it may mean you might have to take a bit of a kicking, showing the youth game would only bluff fans in to thinking its fine im going to wear my jammies to the game.

italodisco · 28-05-2012 10:28PM

Oh, and if you search hard enough in google , using translate , you will find hooligan forums were they are talking about who they want to target, and there's plenty of chatter about getting Irish fans.... I will post a link that a polish friend showed me last week when I can get it off him, you will either be suprised or not ......

dirtyden · 28-05-2012 10:31PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

last time I looked Rangers were a Scottish team.

England fans have been fairly well behaved of late, I think France was the last time they were involved in anything major and they didn't start that.

Unfortunately the reputation will take some time to lose.

In fairness I think the english international fans now have a much improved reputation and things have changed. But I do think that panorma show was quite selective and sensationalist (it was tabloid tv). They showed some scenes you would see in many countries. Football fans can be assholes. It is hardly a mind blowing revelation.

Do you think the poles or ukrainians will be making documentaries about the london riots to encourage people not to visit the olympics. I doubt it.

What was shown on that programme will,not reflect the atmosphere in the stadiums or in the cities for the tournament. Thye have been preparing for this for about 5 years in poland/ukraine and i think they will make a great job of it.

dirtyden · 28-05-2012 10:32PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

last time I looked Rangers were a Scottish team.

England fans have been fairly well behaved of late, I think France was the last time they were involved in anything major and they didn't start that.

Unfortunately the reputation will take some time to lose.

Oh and Scotland is not a country just yet.

dirtyden · 28-05-2012 10:36PM

3ndahalfof6 wrote: »

I would of looked at the programme as a warning to fans of the game to be aware, there is a lot of different racist groups using the game to promote their views,

and while doing this it may mean you might have to take a bit of a kicking, showing the youth game would only bluff fans in to thinking its fine im going to wear my jammies to the game.

You will find all these websites and groups associated with english, french and italian teams (neo nazism, racism etc) if you cared to google, that is not news.

3ndahalfof6 · 28-05-2012 10:37PM

italodisco wrote: »

Oh, and if you search hard enough in google , using translate , you will find hooligan forums were they are talking about who they want to target, and there's plenty of chatter about getting Irish fans.... I will post a link that a polish friend showed me last week when I can get it off him, you will either be suprised or not ......

I wont be I work with Polish "protein drinking" metal pumping nut jobs,

it is laughable how they speak about their great country and how wonderful it is, how the Irish, Scots, English, (for some reason they never mention the Welch) being lazy fat bastrads,

they go home on occasion just to meet up to go cause havoc, but I do hope none of you guys are unlucky enough to run into any of them,

the English hools were mice compared to these guys,

italodisco · 28-05-2012 10:38PM

Best of luck to all the ignorants who know better and have nothing to worry about lol .....

That panorama episode was not over blown, I've seen the ****es in action myself.... But anyway, ignorance is bliss

mossyc123 · 28-05-2012 10:38PM

italodisco wrote: »

Oh, and if you search hard enough in google , using translate , you will find hooligan forums were they are talking about who they want to target, and there's plenty of chatter about getting Irish fans.... I will post a link that a polish friend showed me last week when I can get it off him, you will either be suprised or not ......

A bunch of keyboard warrior man-children day dreaming.

Football fans will be sticking to the city centres, the stadiums, the fanparks and major transport hubs.

They won't be wandering around dodgy areas rubbing shoulders with the skinheads or whoever.

You won't get trouble unless you go looking for it I reckon.

mikemac1 · 28-05-2012 10:41PM

Or make a mistake

About a decade ago an Irish lad was killed in Glasgow
Went over for the football but once you make one wrong turn you'll probably make another and pretty soon you're in a rough area you should not be in

3ndahalfof6 · 28-05-2012 10:42PM

mossyc123 wrote: »

A bunch of keyboard warrior man-children day dreaming.

Football fans will be sticking to the city centres, the stadiums, the fanparks and major transport hubs.

They won't be wandering around dodgy areas rubbing shoulders with the skinheads or whoever.

You won't get trouble unless you go looking for it I reckon.

this is true, like those Asian students.

Jesus Shaves · 28-05-2012 10:43PM

it'll be grand over there, as long you're not English

italodisco · 28-05-2012 10:44PM

Why woud u not take the word of someone who lived there, who knew foreign students that were attacked for being Arab etc.... I love the country, I wouldn't go out my way to put it down ... But I have seen the reality and only want to warn people.... And believe me, you don't have to look for trouble .. those lads have spotters out looking for small groups to jump etc... Sure I've known and.still do know guys Involved in that nonsense in Poland ...
I'm not a keyboard warrior or a fear monger, I just want decent people to be fully aware of the danger tat will be there especially heading home from bars etc.... Don't jump all over me for trying to be decent .

woodoo · 28-05-2012 10:45PM

Pherekydes wrote: »

The Police guy from Kharkiv was deluded.

"No, that's not a Nazi salute, they are just pointing at the opposition."

Yes, and shouting "Sieg Heil" while "pointing".

How stupid are these Ukrainian and Polish nazi's. Hitler made an awful mess of their countries during world war 2 and killed millions of them.

LH Pathe · 28-05-2012 10:45PM

Continents protecting their unique ethnicity shocker. Best not to question why 'racism' is pretty much legal outside those who only had to reap what they'd sown.. let's just say not too safe for nations whose 11 don't really represent the olde European-ness. England.. France.. Usa gets a bye.. obviously..

But the same would be expected for sides lining out pretty much a White XI in the African Cup.. which'd be unheard of n sure I wouldn't bat an eyelid.

Pdfile · 28-05-2012 10:46PM

3ndahalfof6 wrote: »

I was just watching BBC1 Panorama about Euro 2012 and how safe will it be for fans who will be travelling, some serious stuff on it which only happened lately,

racism and violence at a peak, tis not somewhere I would like to be going right now, most if not all games showing Polish fans giving the seig heil shout with the right arm straight salute,

it shows a group of Indian students at a game in the family section supporting the local team receiving a beating from the local fans,

so how many of you guys going over?

will shin pads be enough protection.

poland is safe providing you know which swear words are acceptable and ones aren't... you notice how many poles speak fluent english but won't to you etc etc.

ukraine is f***ing nuts.... seriosuly... they hate russia but are just like them... Travellers beware.

italodisco · 28-05-2012 10:47PM

Pdfile wrote: »

3ndahalfof6 wrote: »

I was just watching BBC1 Panorama about Euro 2012 and how safe will it be for fans who will be travelling, some serious stuff on it which only happened lately,
racism and violence at a peak, tis not somewhere I would like to be going right now, most if not all games showing Polish fans giving the seig heil shout with the right arm straight salute, it shows a group of Indian students at a game in the family section supporting the local team receiving a beating from the local fans,
so how many of you guys going over? will shin pads be enough protection.

poland is safe providing you know which swear words are acceptable and ones aren't... you notice how many poles speak fluent english but won't to you etc etc. ukraine is f***ing nuts.... seriosuly... they hate russia but are just like them... Travellers beware.

There will be bigger numbers of hools in Poland but the Ukrainian ones are a lot more vicious and violent.... Mad is an understatement lol....

mossyc123 · 28-05-2012 10:48PM

From wiki:

"2000 onward

Even though the Polish government tried to erase hooliganism, incidents were still common in Polish stadiums. However, like hooligans in Western Europe, Polish firms now pre-arrange their fights, which in Poland are known as ustawka, and are mainly fought in meadows, rural terains, far from city centers and cops. In December 2005 a huge organised fight took place in a forest outside Frankfurt between Polish and German hooligans. Although the fight was broken up by German police, it was feared that the fight was a warm up for more fights during the World Cup which was to be held in Germany the next year."

Sure let them at it :P

hmmm · 28-05-2012 10:48PM

You can say it was sensationalism, but the footage they shot at the game spoke for itself. The attack on those young Indians sitting in the family section, by "fans" from their own side, was one of the more shocking things I've ever seen caught on camera - I thought they were going to be killed.

The reporter was standing in the stand when a large brawl broke out about 2 feet behind him with fists and feet meeting heads.

LH Pathe · 28-05-2012 10:49PM

Oh; yeah they got some hardcore hooligans. Completely pwn'd northern Ireland when they went there n they are whiter than white / thugger than thug anyhow

dirtyden · 28-05-2012 10:51PM

italodisco wrote: »

Why woud u not take the word of someone who lived there, who knew foreign students that were attacked for being Arab etc.... I love the country, I wouldn't go out my way to put it down ... But I have seen the reality and only want to warn people.... And believe me, you don't have to look for trouble .. those lads have spotters out looking for small groups to jump etc... Sure I've known and.still do know guys Involved in that nonsense in Poland ...
I'm not a keyboard warrior or a fear monger, I just want decent people to be fully aware of the danger tat will be there especially heading home from bars etc.... Don't jump all over me for trying to be decent .

I understand the point your making but I just dont think that there will be that kind of trouble there to be honest. I am sure both Poland and Ukraine does have scumbag issues. A polish lad I used work with showed me slash marks on his shoulders from scrapping when he was younger. i got the impression he liked the scrapping though.

For the Irish games I dont foresee trouble in the grounds. I would imagine irish fans and italians and spanish etc will socialise in city centre areas which will be well policed and with some common sense any nastiness can be avoided touch wood. The same thing was said before the world cup in south africa funnily enough most people made it out alive.

To Alcohol · 28-05-2012 10:51PM

There's world wide attention on these finals. There's not a hope in hell a minority of scumbags will be allowed derail the event. City centre, stadiums and the fan parks will be flooded with police and spotters. Stick to these areas and with a group and no problems.

italodisco · 28-05-2012 10:54PM

Lol in fairness it would be fairly handy to have owned those northern IRL fans seen as though half of them getting jumped were over 50 lol .....

In reality though there's some awful hardcore ultras from dutch clubs and.the aul Italians have had some mega scraps at games ...

Marcin_diy · 28-05-2012 10:55PM

dirtyden wrote: »

To an extent I agree with you. The atmosphere in stadiums has improved no end. There is still an undercurrent there though that breaks out every now and again, the west ham milwall cup game a year ago, the rangers fans in manchester last year.

I dont think they are in a position to throw stones and i dont believe there will be any significant trouble in poland or the ukraine. I have embedded a clip of the famous lech poznan fans.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhM41wwh3VI

Note that their youth team lost and they cheered the winning team for 5 mins after. panorama did not show this ill bet.

thats another clip of Lech Poznan fans from Prague.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6k_aYB_0N38

watch this:-)

DEFTLEFTHAND · 28-05-2012 10:55PM

darokane wrote: »

it'll be grand over there, as long you're not English

They're not exactly fans of the Irish either.

italodisco · 28-05-2012 10:57PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

darokane wrote: »

it'll be grand over there, as long you're not English

They're not exactly fans of the Irish either.

Thank god someone else knows the score too.... Sure they ain't fans of is here , probably fuming that their women are marrying us mad micks lol

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