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Sinn Fein appealing to the lowest common denominator

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  • #572
    SocSocPol
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,043 ✭✭✭SocSocPol


    Mallei wrote: »
    Sorry, what? Of course Las Malvinas were stolen from them. How else did the English get their hands on them? The same way they got the six counties, Gibraltar, Hong Kong... they stole them through armed force.
    On a point of fact, The Falkland Islands never belonged to Argentina.


  • #573
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    It really does make things simpler when you apply labels to vast swathes of people, doesn't it? Us and them, Dubs and Non-Dubs, Catholics and Protestants, British and Irish, Real Irish and West Brits...

    Bit much from somebody coming out with
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=78885664&postcount=527


  • #574
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Nodin wrote: »
    Bit much from somebody coming out with
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=78885664&postcount=527
    How so? You'll have to flesh that out a bit.


  • #575
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    How so?

    Its about as "us and them" as you can make it.


  • #576
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Nodin wrote: »
    Its about as "us and them" as you can make it.
    No at all. In fact, I'd say that to argue otherwise is to be an 'us and them' argument. It's up to 'us' to help 'them'.


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  • #577
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    No at all. In fact, I'd say that to argue otherwise is to be an 'us and them' argument. It's up to 'us' to help 'them'.

    It has too much sneer to it for me to take that seriously.


  • #578
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Nodin wrote: »
    It has too much sneer to it for me to take that seriously.
    ...he sneered.


  • #579
    MisterEpicurus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 588 ✭✭✭MisterEpicurus


    Mallei wrote: »
    In a thread talking about Sinn Fein? I'm sure you'd love to drag it off-topic, but you can take that elsewhere.

    Judging from the comments you've made on this thread regarding imperialist powers and your shockingly awful comments of the Falkland question, I think it's safe to assume you're just one of those types living in your politico-socialist bubble moaning about anything to do with the UK.

    I mean...jesus...what you said was essentially along the lines of;

    'The Falkland Islands are Argentinian even though Argentina never existed at the time, therefore through logical deduction (and not forgetting the fact they happen to be off the coast!) they must be Argentinian'

    I mean any fool can see, or even smell, the desperation reeking from those comments.

    And then trying to sweep all this rubbish under the proverbial carpet by claiming 'off-topic'.

    What I'm really trying to say is GTFO...


  • #580
    mattjack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,389 ✭✭✭mattjack


    MisterEpicurus wrote: »
    Judging from the comments you've made on this thread regarding imperialist powers and your shockingly awful comments of the Falkland question, I think it's safe to assume you're just one of those types living in your politico-socialist bubble moaning about anything to do with the UK.

    I mean...jesus...what you said was essentially along the lines of;

    'The Falkland Islands are Argentinian even though Argentina never existed at the time, therefore through logical deduction (and not forgetting the fact they happen to be off the coast!) they must be Argentinian'

    I mean any fool can see, or even smell, the desperation reeking from those comments.

    And then trying to sweep all this rubbish under the proverbial carpet by claiming 'off-topic'.

    What I'm really trying to say is GTFO...

    Don't you come in here with your sensible observations ...


  • #581
    Smidge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Smidge


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    Are you saying that skanger adults are - by and large - incestuous paedophiles?

    I was replying to your comment about people in disadvantaged areas and how in your opinion that they have disadvantaged themselves, but you know that already.
    With the above comment in response to what I posted you have proved that it is not only people in "disadvantaged" areas that are uneducated.

    The only difference is,

    They have an excuse, you don't.

    I choose not to get involved any further on this as I see no point


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  • #582
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    mishkalucy wrote: »
    I was replying to your comment about people in disadvantaged areas and how in your opinion that they have disadvantaged themselves, but you know that already.
    Yeah, and you basically argued that it's hard for people in disadvantaged areas to get an education or work hard because they could be raped by their parents at any moment. Re-read what you wrote, perhaps you meant to say something else.
    mishkalucy wrote: »
    With the above comment in response to what I posted you have proved that it is not only people in "disadvantaged" areas that are uneducated.

    The only difference is,

    They have an excuse, you don't.
    Ok, start throwing insults - always makes your argument seem stronger... :rolleyes:
    mishkalucy wrote: »
    I choose not to get involved any further on this as I see no point
    Not a great loss to the discussion, it would seem, if that's how your react when someone calls out your bizarre argument.


  • #583
    The Golden Miller
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    i dont really support any political party in the country as they are all next to useless.

    although, no matter how much people want to complain about sinn fein breing corrupt, terrorists etc etc one thing always stood out for me.

    their members normally get involved due to a genuine love of the country, which is a lot more refreshing to see compared to any of the other parties, whose members are normally there for a big pay packet, an interest in politics in general etc.


  • #584
    The Golden Miller
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    and once again the usually people out looking at things from britains point of view, defending their actions in the past and generally just sympathising and apologising for their actions. it seems to be a trait in ireland over the last 20 years here in the south. condemn our own and defend them for no reason at all


  • #585
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    The Golden Miller wrote: »
    their members normally get involved due to a genuine love of the country, which is a lot more refreshing to see compared to any of the other parties, whose members are normally there for a big pay packet, an interest in politics in general etc.
    99% of people involved in politics don't see a penny. To be honest, I'm deeply suspicious of people who do things for an abstract 'love of their country' - an untold amount of evil has been done in the name of nationalism. It's an ideology, and all ideologies are wrong.


  • #586
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    The Golden Miller wrote: »
    and once again the usually people out looking at things from britains point of view, defending their actions in the past and generally just sympathising and apologising for their actions. it seems to be a trait in ireland over the last 20 years here in the south. condemn our own and defend them for no reason at all
    WTF are you on about? Total bullsh!t. 'Condemn our own'? Whose 'our own' are you talking about? I guess we shouldn't condemn the Catholic priests who were raping children, because they were 'our own' too? :rolleyes:


  • #587
    Alactric
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 192 ✭✭Alactric


    Agricola wrote: »
    Well you either have big business parties like FF and FG scaremongering the population into believing we will all die in the ditch if we dont give "confidence" to the investors, or you have SF spouting populist leftie crap about how the elites all hellbent on crippling the country. Parties appeal to their respective demographics with their respective brand of bullshít

    Thread should have stopped here, ye know, on the first page :pac:


  • #588
    LordSutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,069 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    The Golden Miller wrote: »
    i dont really support any political party in the country as they are all next to useless. although, no matter how much people want to complain about sinn fein breing corrupt, terrorists etc etc one thing always stood out for me.

    their members normally get involved due to a genuine love of the country, which is a lot more refreshing to see compared to any of the other parties, whose members are normally there for a big pay packet, an interest in politics in general etc.

    Well the one thing that stands out for me is the fact that SF see the thirty five year Provo campaign of terror and misery as justifiable . . .


  • #589
    The Golden Miller
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    LordSutch wrote: »
    Well the one thing that stands out for me is the fact that SF see the thirty five year Provo campaign of terror and misery as justifiable . . .

    and heres the kind of man in talking about proving my point. so wheres the constant condemnation of loyalist violence from loyalist and british people the way the irish constantly condemn the actions of irish republicans? yet loyalists always condemn irish violence too, yet i dont see the irish ever having much of a go at the loyaists. always bending over backwards licking britains hole, and when the queen came over that was a perfect example.

    yes what went on in the troubles was wrong, but you have to ask yourself why irish republicans got involved in the first place


  • #590
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    The Golden Miller wrote: »
    and heres the kind of man in talking about proving my point. so wheres the constant condemnation of loyalist violence from loyalist and british people the way the irish constantly condemn the actions of irish republicans? yet loyalists always condemn irish violence too, yet i dont see the irish ever having much of a go at the loyaists.
    It may have escaped your notice that the loyalist terrorist apologists are not standing for political office in this country.

    When that penny drops, you might understand why Sinn Fein get more heat over their terrorist past/links.


  • #591
    finty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 266 ✭✭finty


    The Golden Miller wrote: »
    their members normally get involved due to a genuine love of the country, which is a lot more refreshing to see compared to any of the other parties, whose members are normally there for a big pay packet, an interest in politics in general etc.


    What exactly is this notion based on?

    And what exactly is this country that they love?

    Most of them spent their lives undermining this state.....against the wishes of the majority of Irish people who think murder and maiming is wrong

    Fervent nationalism isn't a good thing. same with any ideology


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  • #592
    The Golden Miller
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    WTF are you on about? Total bullsh!t. 'Condemn our own'? Whose 'our own' are you talking about? I guess we shouldn't condemn the Catholic priests who were raping children, because they were 'our own' too? :rolleyes:

    would you ever see unionists making excuses for irish violence down through the years the way many irish revisionists seem to do for them. the term west brit didnt get coined out of nowhere. its there because theres a vast section of the irish population who make excuses for the unionists.


  • #593
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    The Golden Miller wrote: »
    would you ever see unionists making excuses for irish violence down through the years the way many irish revisionists seem to do for them. the term west brit didnt get coined out of nowhere. its there because theres a vast section of the irish population who make excuses for the unionists.
    No it was coined by ignorant knuckle-dragging morons who think that every Irish person should be the exact same as them.


  • #594
    The Golden Miller
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    It may have escaped your notice that the loyalist terrorist apologists are not standing for political office in this country.

    When that penny drops, you might understand why Sinn Fein get more heat over their terrorist past/links.

    it has nothing to do with sinn fein members standing in office. its how in general the media has portrayed the northern situation for the past 20 years. the irish times even had a pull-out of how great the queens visit was at the time when she came over, yet the same paper was also behind the sectarian love ulster march through o'connell street


  • #595
    finty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 266 ✭✭finty


    The Golden Miller wrote: »
    would you ever see unionists making excuses for irish violence down through the years the way many irish revisionists seem to do for them. the term west brit didnt get coined out of nowhere. its there because theres a vast section of the irish population who make excuses for the unionists.

    You are the lowest common denominator....collect your sinn fein membership card from parnell square :rolleyes:


  • #596
    The Golden Miller
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    No it was coined by ignorant knuckle-dragging morons who think that every Irish person should be the exact same as them.

    the people who believe in complete independence? as opposed to yourself and many others who make excuses as to why the country shouldnt be united.

    a good example is when "irish" people once again take the unionist point of view and say stuff like "oh what about the 750,000 unionists who live in the north who dont want to be part of ireland". ye well what about your own people living in the same area who do? if your not going to defend your own, why do yoy feel the need to take their side and make excuses like the above quoted part


  • #597
    The Golden Miller
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    finty wrote: »
    You are the lowest common denominator....collect your sinn fein membership card from parnell square :rolleyes:

    ye thats me alright. sitting in a pub in a celtic jersey, in trackies, with cans of druids in my pocket, singing ira songs. you have me down to a tee.


  • #598
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    The Golden Miller wrote: »
    it has nothing to do with sinn fein members standing in office. its how in general the media has portrayed the northern situation for the past 20 years.
    Bullsh!t. Absolute.
    The Golden Miller wrote: »
    the irish times even had a pull-out of how great the queens visit was at the time when she came over, yet the same paper was also behind the sectarian love ulster march through o'connell street
    I'm afraid I'm going to have to ask you to prove the editorial stance of the IT was 'behind' the Love Ulster parade, as every other claim you've made has been total poppycock.


  • #599
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    The Golden Miller wrote: »
    the people who believe in complete independence? as opposed to yourself and many others who make excuses as to why the country shouldnt be united.
    What? Do you have any clue what my stance is on a UI before you go talking out of your hole? Are you the type of idiot who uses terms like 'West Brit' and I've hurt your feelings? :rolleyes:
    The Golden Miller wrote: »
    a good example is when "irish" people once again take the unionist point of view and say stuff like "oh what about the 750,000 unionists who live in the north who dont want to be part of ireland". ye well what about your own people living in the same area who do? if your not going to defend your own, why do yoy feel the need to take their side and make excuses like the above quoted part
    WTF are you even on about?


  • #600
    The Golden Miller
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    Bullsh!t. Absolute.

    I'm afraid I'm going to have to ask you to prove the editorial stance of the IT was 'behind' the Love Ulster parade, as every other claim you've made has been total poppycock.

    so you accept it was behind the queens visit? a queen who is over a country who claims sovereignity to 6 of your own counties? so if the pope was going to come, most people and media outlets would be against it over what went on here, about how it would be insensitive to victims etc, yet after all the irish suffering and deaths at the hands of britain the queens visit was brilliant because everything that happened "was in the past". did the government or the people who were for the visit stop to think how insensitive it would be to the irish in the north who suffered. did they ****. couldnt have cared in the slighest. just lick britains arse some more


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  • #601
    The Golden Miller
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    What? Do you have any clue what my stance is on a UI before you go talking out of your hole? Are you the type of idiot who uses terms like 'West Brit' and I've hurt your feelings? :rolleyes:

    WTF are you even on about?

    on about the usual rubbish which is spouted by irish people when it comes to the north. i never said you said that


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