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Cheap Runaround - suggestions?

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  • #32
    Jimmy Bottlehead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,931 ✭✭✭Jimmy Bottlehead


    skyhighflyer wrote: »
    I would recommend a Saxo or 106 1.1. Amazingly economical, the 1.1 started life in the Peugeot 104 and is a very tough and well-proven engine. We had a Saxo for 8 years and never gave any bother once serviced. There's also a load of room if required as the back seats and bench fold flat, helped transport a friend's drumkit a few times no bother. They have a surprisingly high fifth gear so not too bad on the motorway.

    Downsides: don't crash it.

    The Saxo diesel 1.5 was mentioned earlier and I'm warming to the idea... cheap, simple, seems to be a great suggestion. The MPG looks very good and owners report that you can even do better than the quoted 58MPG :)
    Sadly the 1.1 is mid-40s while the diesel is high-50's so I'd go with diesel.

    smash wrote: »
    Sadist!

    I like to think I'm taking one for the team :pac:


  • #33
    166man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,575 ✭✭✭166man


    If you're getting close to 30mpg y'ain't drivin' it right Jimmy!


    The savings you could make doing 50mpg@25k km a year are quite substantial and would be recouped within about three years. Buying a diesel car for €1k should retain most of it's value too if you re NCT it before sale and it doesn't blow up on you.

    It's a no-brainer for me anyway to recommend a diesel and even though there's higher tax I'd second the suggestion of a 406 diesel.


  • #34
    [Deleted User]
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    166man wrote: »
    ..........
    The savings you could make doing 50mpg@25k km a year are quite substantial and would be recouped within about three years. Buying a diesel car for €1k should retain most of it's value too if you re NCT it before sale and it doesn't blow up on you.

    It's a no-brainer for me anyway to recommend a diesel and even though there's higher tax I'd second the suggestion of a 406 diesel.


    I wasn't able to post any figures when I commented earlier, let's say JimmyB does do 25k kms in his bangernomics diesel, ignoring purchase price (as 166man mentioned the depreciation should be small enough, realistically €300 a year would be a practical figure imo though) the figures are the following (ish)...

    Annual savings on fuel costs if the diesel returns 50 mpg compared to 30mpg in the S2000 are €1500.

    Motor tax on the bangernomics yoke would range from €478 (for a 1.5 diesel) to €660 for a 2.0 diesel like a 406HDi, the ole 1.9 XUD yoke would be the same to tax I think, anyway, €1500 - €478 = €1022. We can sort of ignore maintenance costs (very crude strategy admittedly) if we buy into the logic that whatever wear and tear items need replacing on the 2nd car would have had to have been done on the S2000 if the miles were going on that, I've ran a fair few sh1tters and the catastrophic failure or uneconomical repair are few and far between. Also tyres and most consumables will be cheaper on the ole diesel :)

    So we're looking at €1022 saved (maximum) after taxing the thing, more of course if you actually take the S2000 off the road for a month or two at a time.

    Insurance is a huge variable but €500 might be realistic with mirroring I imagine.

    So running a small diesel that returns 50mpg over 25 k miles will effectively reduce your running costs by €522/annum.

    That €522 is after whatever the initial outlay is to buy the yoke and factoring in €0 depreciation. In reality you're looking at no financial saving I imagine unfortunately.

    In my opinion it makes sense from a point of view of keeping the miles off the S2000 as Nox mentioned, it's not really a huge money saver.


    But potential yokes to consider....

    http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/3391171

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    No mention of NCT, 150,000 miles and the tax is €660/annum.



    An NCTd until Feb Opel Vectra 1.7 diesel with 160k miles, asking €875....

    http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/3364751

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    A 106 needing an NCT, asking €450 or €750 with an NCT
    http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/3197980
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  • #35
    166man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,575 ✭✭✭166man


    I can't imagine that a Peugeot 106 would be the most comfortable way to spend over 500km's a week in tbh.

    I agree with RJ's figures until the issue of insurance. Surely both cars could be put on one policy lessening the effect of the insurance premium?

    What are you paying for insurance on the S2000 currently Jimmy?


  • #36
    [Deleted User]
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    166man wrote: »
    I can't imagine that a Peugeot 106 would be the most comfortable way to spend over 500km's a week in tbh.
    Nor I, he wants the cheapest option though from what I can gather. If he gets a car costing €660 to tax than the saving is down to €300/year best case scenario.
    166man wrote: »
    I agree with RJ's figures until the issue of insurance. Surely both cars could be put on one policy lessening the effect of the insurance premium?
    Two cars on one policy? Doubt that will happen in Ireland, mirroring the NCB onto a 2nd policy is the best option me thinks. Many insurers won't even accommodate that, one who will might not be as competitive as his current insurer on the S2000 either.


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  • #37
    Jimmy Bottlehead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,931 ✭✭✭Jimmy Bottlehead


    166man wrote: »
    If you're getting close to 30mpg y'ain't drivin' it right Jimmy!

    Believe me, I know :pac:
    166man wrote: »
    The savings you could make doing 50mpg@25k km a year are quite substantial and would be recouped within about three years. Buying a diesel car for €1k should retain most of it's value too if you re NCT it before sale and it doesn't blow up on you.

    It's a no-brainer for me anyway to recommend a diesel and even though there's higher tax I'd second the suggestion of a 406 diesel.

    At the moment, I'm doing 300 miles, but there's a possibility it'll increase at some stage, so if it does it definitely makes sense to me. I'll keep the 406 in mind :)
    RoverJames wrote: »
    I wasn't able to post any figures when I commented earlier, let's say JimmyB does do 25k kms in his bangernomics diesel, ignoring purchase price (as 166man mentioned the depreciation should be small enough, realistically €300 a year would be a practical figure imo though) the figures are the following (ish)...

    Annual savings on fuel costs if the diesel returns 50 mpg compared to 30mpg in the S2000 are €1500.

    Motor tax on the bangernomics yoke would range from €478 (for a 1.5 diesel) to €660 for a 2.0 diesel like a 406HDi, the ole 1.9 XUD yoke would be the same to tax I think, anyway, €1500 - €478 = €1022. We can sort of ignore maintenance costs (very crude strategy admittedly) if we buy into the logic that whatever wear and tear items need replacing on the 2nd car would have had to have been done on the S2000 if the miles were going on that, I've ran a fair few sh1tters and the catastrophic failure or uneconomical repair are few and far between. Also tyres and most consumables will be cheaper on the ole diesel :)

    So we're looking at €1022 saved (maximum) after taxing the thing, more of course if you actually take the S2000 off the road for a month or two at a time.

    Insurance is a huge variable but €500 might be realistic with mirroring I imagine.

    So running a small diesel that returns 50mpg over 25 k miles will effectively reduce your running costs by €522/annum.

    That €522 is after whatever the initial outlay is to buy the yoke and factoring in €0 depreciation. In reality you're looking at no financial saving I imagine unfortunately.

    In my opinion it makes sense from a point of view of keeping the miles off the S2000 as Nox mentioned, it's not really a huge money saver.


    As the mileage might increase a bit, the savings would probably work out higher. Also, one reason I'd prefer a smaller engined car is because my insurance will still not be too low - all going well, I'll have 2 years NCB to work with in August, but that's still not a huge amount, so I want to make it as cheap to insure as possible.
    166man wrote: »
    I can't imagine that a Peugeot 106 would be the most comfortable way to spend over 500km's a week in tbh.

    I agree with RJ's figures until the issue of insurance. Surely both cars could be put on one policy lessening the effect of the insurance premium?

    What are you paying for insurance on the S2000 currently Jimmy?

    Hopefully my insurer will be accommodating if and when I want to have another car on the policy.
    Currently paying €2500 or so on the S2000, so it's rough as hell. I'm sure that'd come down a fair whack if I got a main second car, and the S2000 was on limited mileage.
    RoverJames wrote: »
    Nor I, he wants the cheapest option though from what I can gather. If he gets a car costing €660 to tax than the saving is down to €300/year best case scenario.

    Aye, the cheaper the better. By having the S2000 I'm putting my heart ahead of my head. With this small diesel, I'm only thinking of savings.


  • #38
    berrycherry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭berrycherry


    Hi i would REALLY suggest a Nissan almera hatchback 1.5 petrol... i had one and in three years the only thing to replace was window wipers and tires.... you'd prob get a 04 model for your budget! and they are absolutely brilliant on petrol... i live in westmeath and i could do sligo and home for 20euro. When i owned it about 7 months ago. And they are really nice to drive and have lovely interiors :)


  • #39
    Jimmy Bottlehead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,931 ✭✭✭Jimmy Bottlehead


    berrycherry wrote: »
    Hi i would REALLY suggest a Nissan almera hatchback 1.5 petrol... i had one and in three years the only thing to replace was window wipers and tires.... you'd prob get a 04 model for your budget! and they are absolutely brilliant on petrol... i live in westmeath and i could do sligo and home for 20euro. When i owned it about 7 months ago. And they are really nice to drive and have lovely interiors :)

    Good suggestion.. but MPG only seems to be about 42 or so... and I'd like higher than that.


  • #40
    [Deleted User]
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    RoverJames wrote: »
    That €522 is after whatever the initial outlay is to buy the yoke and factoring in €0 depreciation. In reality you're looking at no financial saving I imagine unfortunately.

    If your initial outlay was around 1000 to 1500 and you intend keeping up having the two cars long term, he would start to make savings after 2 years or so. It would depend how long term his plans are.

    I said it in another post but the most logical way to save money but have a car with a bit of poke is sell the s2000 and buy a powerful diesel for the same money or a bit more. This will save on insurance and running costs. I'm not saying its what I would do or what you should do Jimmy but its actually the logical thing.

    I put 87 euro of petrol in my car last friday drove Cork to galway and then back monday morning, parked the car since (well maybe about 3 miles of driving to the shops etc) and I wont get back to Galway again this weekend without filling up so I'm not really one to promote logical thinking :D

    Logical would be get the bus for 20 euro return, but I cant stand the bus, hate the thought of it even.


  • #41
    [Deleted User]
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    RoverJames wrote: »
    You're looking at potentially a two year period before the savings cover the expenses.
    Carson Many Threat wrote: »
    If your initial outlay was around 1000 to 1500 and you intend keeping up having the two cars long term, he would start to make savings after 2 years or so. It would depend how long term his plans are.

    .........

    I said that yesterday.
    You have to be realistic about the longevity of a cheap car too, there gets a point where putting a set of tyres and an NCT makes them effectively worth nothing and they don't last forever either.
    After 4 years there is potential for a tad over a grand in savings, presuming an insurance company plays ball, I'd be investigating that first.


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  • #42
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    RoverJames wrote: »
    I said that yesterday.
    You have to be realistic about the longevity of a cheap car too, there gets a point where putting a set of tyres and an NCT makes them effectively worth nothing and they don't last forever either.

    I suppose the way to go about it is to try to change car every so often for little of no outlay if possible. It wouldn't be easy and you could end up with a lemon at some point but it would be one way to go about it.


  • #43
    Jimmy Bottlehead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,931 ✭✭✭Jimmy Bottlehead


    Bumping this as I'm going down this route... but with a very cheap car.

    I like the idea of a 1.5L diesel Saxo or 106, but what other super cheap (€500-€800) cars to buy and run are out there?

    Any suggestions would be mighty, lads :) Cheers.


  • #44
    bazz26
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,580 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    Cheap to run cars especially diesels generally cost more to buy these days because of their mass appeal. Imo the only sub €1000 cheap to run diesel cars out there are knackered ones on their last legs or ones that need money spent on them.


  • #45
    Jimmy Bottlehead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,931 ✭✭✭Jimmy Bottlehead


    bazz26 wrote: »
    Cheap to run cars especially diesels generally cost more to buy these days because of their mass appeal. Imo the only sub €1000 cheap to run diesel cars out there are knackered ones on their last legs or ones that need money spent on them.

    Any suggestions on which ones would be worth looking into though?


  • #46
    [Deleted User]
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    http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/3934855

    1.9 tax but f all cost to buy :)

    Asking €350.


  • #47
    MidlandsM
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,737 ✭✭✭MidlandsM


    Max Power1 wrote: »
    Peugot 406/407 hdi? The 407 comes in 1.6 diesel anyway. Should pick up an earlier model privately for 2k

    pure scrap........one of the worst diesel engines made


  • #48
    [Deleted User]
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    MidlandsM wrote: »
    pure scrap........one of the worst diesel engines made

    Yep, you'd be very much taking your chances with one 2nd hand as even with full SH they give turbo turbo relatively fresh. The Uncle is on his 2nd and no trouble but that's in new ish cars.

    I'd be very slow to advise anyone to buy one.

    I know one or two lads in car sales that won't retail anything with the PSA 1.6 unless they have thousands built in for warranty issues and they prefer not to take them in too.


  • #49
    Jimmy Bottlehead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,931 ✭✭✭Jimmy Bottlehead


    Guys can I get your thoughts on this?

    http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/3888338


  • #50
    MidlandsM
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,737 ✭✭✭MidlandsM


    Jimmy Bottlehead wrote: »
    Guys can I get your thoughts on this?

    http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/3888338

    yep, I'd buy that!
    good weee yoke......:pac:
    do the usual checks.....make sure the clutch ain't slipping, its running sweet, no leaks, starts stop and brakes A1 and you could be onto a weee bargain!


  • #51
    Jimmy Bottlehead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,931 ✭✭✭Jimmy Bottlehead


    Hello, zombie thread :)

    So I'm finally biting the bullet and putting the S2000 into storage from the end of July. This is to save on tax mainly, as I'm doing very little driving these days.

    I'm going to buy a super-cheap car to tide me over til early 2015 anyways. This is really bangernomics territory, ideally I'd like to spend no more than €500 on a car.
    Not fussy about what it is, once it's reliable, decent wedge of NCT, has 4 seats and is a 1.6 or below for tax costs.

    I've made a wee list from DoneDeal but if anyone has any finds I'd love to see them :)

    Cheers guys!


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  • #52
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,217 ✭✭✭✭biko


    I'm putting this to rest.
    Use Buying forum please.


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