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Taking music too seriously

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  • #32
    Logical Fallacy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    minidazzler wrote: »
    "There is no good music anymore"

    Indeed.

    How people can't find music they like in the age of the internet is ****ing beyond me.


  • #33
    LordAlf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10 ✭LordAlf


    minidazzler wrote: »
    I never have been able to get into Deadmau5. Lyrical content overall is more important to me, which is why Scroobius Pip is way up there.

    I absolutely HATE when people say "There is no good music anymore". There is some absolutely fantastic music coming out in the last 10 years in all genre's, yet people insist that there has been no great music since the 70's, which is just patently stupid.

    you say that but the current environemt wont allow for another Queen, Led Zep, Pink floyd etc. there is good music, you are right there, but no truly great music


  • #34
    wonton
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wonton


    Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »
    Do you take music too seriously or do you know anyone who does.


    what does that even mean? I mean I never get into fist fights arguing about which one of beethovens piano sonatas are the best but I do play instruments and listen to a lot of music and like having indepth conversations about it.



    If you ask me most people dont take it seriously enough.


  • #35
    wonton
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wonton


    LordAlf wrote: »
    you say that but the current environemt wont allow for another Queen, Led Zep, Pink floyd etc. there is good music, you are right there, but no truly great music


    great music will always exist, just at different times will be found in different genres and sometimes harder to come across.


  • #36
    minidazzler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,650 ✭✭✭✭minidazzler


    LordAlf wrote: »
    you say that but the current environemt wont allow for another Queen, Led Zep, Pink floyd etc. there is good music, you are right there, but no truly great music

    No, the current MARKET won't allow for Queen, Led Zeppelin or Pink Floyd. But there is some really truly great music out there.

    Off the top of my head, Scroobius Pip v Dan le Sac, Frank Turner, The Donots, Chuck Ragan.

    Remember the primary reason that Queen were loved was because they were great entertainers, they were never the best in the world with lyrics or music, but they put on a really truly great show.

    And nowadays there are a lot of bands out there putting on really great shows who are just as good, and in some cases better than the bands mentioned.

    And besides, why would the current environment allow for Queen? There was one band called Queen already and they were great, we don't need a carbon copy we need new something to define our own era of music, preferrably from a label whose A & R men aren't just empty shells of suits and actually love music.

    Essentially what you are doing is living for the past and not embracing or finding the great music that is out there now. I'm not even specifically on about the music I love, but in general there is a lot of great music. In 20 years we will look back and have sifted through the crap to have the great music rise in peoples mind even though they don't know about it now.


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  • #37
    Funglegunk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,566 ✭✭✭Funglegunk


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv6dMFF_yts


    I don't take music seriously. But these people should be hung, drawn and quartered.


  • #38
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Popular definition of "Music snob" on Boards: "Someone who has the audacity not to like the music I like"... as opposed to, you know, having their own personal preference.

    It also means "People who don't listen to down-to-earth music like Oasis and U2".


  • #39
    cloptrop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭cloptrop


    minidazzler wrote: »
    No, the current MARKET won't allow for Queen, Led Zeppelin or Pink Floyd. But there is some really truly great music out there.

    Off the top of my head, Scroobius Pip v Dan le Sac, Frank Turner, The Donots, Chuck Ragan.

    Remember the primary reason that Queen were loved was because they were great entertainers, they were never the best in the world with lyrics or music, but they put on a really truly great show.

    And nowadays there are a lot of bands out there putting on really great shows who are just as good, and in some cases better than the bands mentioned.

    Queen were fruckin awesome man , who are your sources . Brian May and Freddie are both widely regarded as some of the best people in the world at what they do . The fact Fred was one of the greatest frontmen of all time just adds to their awesomeness it2 doesnt take away from their talent.


  • #40
    Shryke
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,199 ✭✭✭Shryke


    There is loads of great music out there. I lay a lot of blame on the state of Irish radio. There are few good shows for people who dont want to listen to chart stuff.
    I started listening to digital radio and its a god send for hearing great bands I didnt know about.


  • #41
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    ^^^

    And so it starts...

    I've always told myself that the best music is something you have never heard before, and I'm usually right.

    Never happier than when I come away from a festival with a new band.


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  • #42
    minidazzler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,650 ✭✭✭✭minidazzler


    cloptrop wrote: »
    Queen were fruckin awesome man , who are your sources . Brian May and Freddie are both widely regarded as some of the best people in the world at what they do . The fact Fred was one of the greatest frontmen of all time just adds to their awesomeness it2 doesnt take away from their talent.

    I know they were awesome, and I will argue it's primarily because of the entertainment they could provide. If you were to watch them playing Somebody to Love (incidentally one of my favourite songs ever) and they just stood stock still going through the motions, they would never have had the following they had.

    They did music best, Entertainment > Art, but is it's own form of art. So great songs with the entertainment value they provided, they were one of the greatest bands to ever exist. But it was not primarily their musical ability that made them great.

    MadsL wrote: »
    Never happier than when I come away from a festival with a new band.
    Durty :P


  • #43
    the_syco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,310 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    I know what I like, and what I don't like.

    I refuse to listen to ****e I don't like. If this makes me a snob, f**k you; I'm not going to waste my time listening to sh|te music. If this offends you, go away.

    How do I know what I don't like? I listen to lots of stuff, and if I don't like something I stop listening to it.

    So go listen to my metal, hard house, trad music, trad punk, black metal with a hint of trad, pirate metal,


  • #44
    Kev_2012
    Closed Accounts Posts: 976 ✭✭✭Kev_2012


    I listen to nearly all types of music, from Slayer to Dr Dre to Lady gaga to Tiesto to even some forms of classical music (I also love house, drum n bass, techno, the list goes on and on.)

    I find that especially in metal, people think they have to assimilate the "culture" associated with it. I think everyone falls into this trap with different types of music (what clothes to wear and who you hang around with etc.), but you grow up to realise its all bollocks.

    Listen to whatever you want I say!

    I was in a pub, half pissed a few months back and got this put on the speakers :o



  • #45
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »
    I like music, I just like to see their reaction.
    Woo, you're such a renegade.
    Confab wrote: »
    That's what I did after 30 (I'm 32). Far less pretentiousness and snobbery. Big fan of Lady Gaga and Katy Perry. Better than **** moaning about the Beatles being the only good band ever.
    As bad as, if not worse than, being a music snob tbh - "Ooh look at me everyone, I'm really unpretentious and down to earth!" Nah The Beatles were better.
    LordAlf wrote: »
    i think what flutterflye means by saying cop on is not that you will start liking different music, but you won't let it keep defining yourself and you realise that its just music.

    music is great and all but a lot of people like to use it as a way of elevating themselves above others. people like doing that, they like making out that the thing they are really into is more important then other arts etc. a lot of people need this as they are never really truly comfortable with who they are
    Seems to me Flutterflye assumed the OP was talking about music snobs, when he was referring merely to people who really love music - god, how evil of them!! :rolleyes:

    I listen to forgotten 80s/early 90s indie because I really like it - no more, no less. There are some not-too-bright peeps who would view that as enough fodder to deem me a snob, but their lack of thought about things is not of concern to me. I also like loads of pop music - not much from now, but again from the 80s/early 90s, and occasionally since. Not that I have to proclaim either to the world - my personal taste is my business. Loved that Tatu number from a few years back, really liked some Sugababes and Kylie stuff. Quite like a lot of Lady GaGa tunes but most chart music now is sh1t. And saying that is not snobbery, it's merely a statement of personal preference. How does one not be a snob? Pretend to like odious sh1t like Justin Bieber?

    Oh and disliking Jedward is not "begrudgery" (derp) it's disliking crap music.


  • #46
    Fromthetrees
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,846 ✭✭✭Fromthetrees


    Musics great.

    /thread


  • #47
    studiorat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭studiorat


    Disliking music overall, not just a particular genre, could suggest cognitive issues in the pattern matching areas of the brain. If the OP actually does dislike music it would be very rare.

    It's called Music or Auditory agnosia. There's also Amusia which is an interpretive disfunction in the brain.

    OP are you able to distinguish changes in pitch?

    As for taking it seriously, I guess I take it about as seriously as anyone takes their job. Which most of the time isn't very!

    Article on Amusia here...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPRW0wZ9NOM


  • #48
    LordAlf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10 ✭LordAlf


    i dunno though, MTV really have a lot to answer for as regards how the media and music work as regards how people hear about bands and artists. its more like professional wrestling in the past decade, companies want to put someone 'over' so they can make a ton of money off the personality.

    you have to dig to find good music nowadays and thats something not a lot of people are really willing to do, as music isnt that big a deal to them. those acts you've mentioned ive never heard of before and while i dont doubt their quality, its more about how people get exposure to them. i have to see them mentioned on a forum just to hear about them. and as you said there are so many acts floating around right now that when you listen to the radio despite maybe liking them, they just go in one ear and out the other.

    popular music is the most heard and accessible and is also the ****test. same thing with movies, the wayans brothers are the most successful african-american film makers of all time yet they make absolute crap, but if you want to watch some really good movies such as Shame or Take Shelter then you have to dig or be into the scene in the first place. again though, movies, music, video games etc are all just art forms and people can take from them what they will. people that are "im so into music and know so much more about it and therefore im a better, deeper person" dont really understand what art is and as i said previously, arent really comfortable with themselves. it just so happens that the music scene breeds far more of these types per capita then most other art forms :s


  • #49
    irelandrover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,114 ✭✭✭irelandrover


    Dudess wrote: »
    WQuite like a lot of Lady GaGa tunes but most chart music now is sh1t. And saying that is not snobbery, it's merely a statement of personal preference. How does one not be a snob? Pretend to like odious sh1t like Justin Bieber?

    By saying "in my opinion chart music is ****". Not declaring it like you just did


  • #50
    I am pie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,652 ✭✭✭I am pie


    Music is entirely subjective. It's all about how it makes you feel. Going beyond that, labelling it, pigeon holing it, calling it 'good' or 'bad' is spectacularly missing the whole point of music. It is by it's very nature subjective to the listener.

    Unless you're listening to Jedward. In that case you need to take yourself off to a quiet room for a long hard think about where you've gone wrong in life. Them and that crazy frog tune. Not music. First paragraph does not apply.


  • #51
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    irelandrover wrote: »
    By saying "in my opinion chart music is ****". Not declaring it like you just did
    Most not all chart music IS objectively sh1t, unless you're a kid.


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  • #52
    Balmed Out
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    flutterflye wrote: »
    Not really sure.
    Just noticed it - the music snobbery just seems to abate.

    Very true for me anyhow. When I was 18 and in a pub I'd actually feel uncomfortable somewhere if i didnt like the music. If I really, really didnt like it such as overly catchy pop like abba id literally feel agitated and want to escape. Nearly every pub id go to was stone roses, smashing pumpkins, nirvana etc.

    Now days while I still love music im far more tolerant and way prefer pubs with a variety of people types from different ages with different music tastes. I still notice the music but would only ever comment in a favourable way to a song I like. The stuff I dont, I barely notice its played.


  • #53
    irelandrover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,114 ✭✭✭irelandrover


    Dudess wrote: »
    Most not all chart music IS objectively sh1t, unless you're a kid.

    In your opinion.
    I think most of it is sh1te as well but i can respect other people may think different. My definition of a music snob would be thinking that your taste in music is better than someone else's. Which is exactly what you are saying.


  • #54
    TeddyTedson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,758 ✭✭✭✭TeddyTedson


    Dudess wrote: »
    irelandrover wrote: »
    By saying "in my opinion chart music is ****". Not declaring it like you just did
    Most not all chart music IS objectively sh1t, unless you're a kid.
    Or very old


  • #55
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    irelandrover wrote: »
    In your opinion.
    I think most of it is sh1te as well but i can respect other people may think different. My definition of a music snob would be thinking that your taste in music is better than someone else's. Which is exactly what you are saying.
    It's disingenuous and another form of snobbery and part of this newish trend of people showing the world they're really down to earth, to effectively say it's snobbery to e.g. state that Led Zeppelin are better than Justin Bieber. Some things are just objective.

    This thing of looking down on people for being "cool" is no different to looking down on people for not being cool enough.


  • #56
    RichieC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,331 ✭✭✭RichieC


    flutterflye wrote: »
    Seems to be a general teenagery/early-mid 20's thing - then most grow some cop on.

    Bull****e, my love of music only grows as I age.


  • #57
    promethius42
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 167 ✭✭promethius42


    I don't take music too seriously, I just take bad music horribly .
    :D


  • #58
    enfant terrible
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,796 ✭✭✭enfant terrible


    Dudess wrote: »
    It's disingenuous and another form of snobbery and part of this newish trend of people showing the world they're really down to earth, to effectively say it's snobbery to say e.g. stating Led Zeppelin are better than Justin Bieber is snobbery. Some things are just objective.

    Looking down on being "cool" is no different to looking down on people for not being cool enough.

    Is it though it's not like Justin Bieber is writing and producing the song, he has the best producers in the world create the song for him.

    Hardly surprising if they come up with some good songs for him.


  • #59
    Ruralyoke
    Closed Accounts Posts: 213 ✭✭Ruralyoke


    Problem is, most people are a "something" snob.

    Maybe it's all happy clappy and who cares man? whatever you like man when it comes to music, but if you dare tell that same guy that e.g. Blue nun is really nice... :eek:

    ...well you're automatically a philistine who probably has nits as well.


  • #60
    RichieC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,331 ✭✭✭RichieC


    Some people do know music better than others and do have better taste. I know people who a rack of NOW cds and a bunch of singles, all number 1's from the past while. They have **** for taste. I don't care how snobby that sounds.


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  • #61
    jaffacakesyum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,207 ✭✭✭jaffacakesyum


    I'm really into my music. It's one ofthe most important things in my life, as pathetic as that is.

    But music snobbery really p1sses me off. I listen to every genre of music but if somebody only likes chart music then fúck it, who cares? It doesn't affect me. I do wish there was more room in the charts for more talented, deserving people...but that's just the way it is I'm afraid.

    Also, I can say with confidence that Queen are better than Justin Bieber. That's an objective fact because Queen wrote fantastic songs and melodies, had better lyrics, better stage performance etc. However, if someone was to prefer Justin Bieber to Queen, I can't argue against that. Because music taste is subjective. So leave them to it.


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