Protesting

General General · 21-05-2012 06:07PM

Look... let's just keep the protesting in the protesting area, which is in the field adjacent to the car park & the sports track... please note that only placards fulfilling EU regulations with respect to weight, size, accessibility for the sensory impaired, recycledness & recyclability, colour schemes & insipidness of symbolic expression will be permitted.

We have also signed several agreements with corporate sponsors for the protesting area & ask that all those protesting respect the various installations these sponsors have put in place for advertising purposes & to refrain from consuming foods, beverages, etc. other than those of our kind sponsors.

All photographic & audiovisual record of the protest remains the property of the institution, as does any cultural aspect, element or other feature that may prove of commercial value in the future.

montreal2011 · 21-05-2012 06:09PM

AnonoBoy wrote: »

The main thing that will get me a job is not wasting my time talking sh*te on boards.

:pac:

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Rented Mule · 21-05-2012 06:37PM

montreal2011 wrote: »

You get any inspiration from the students in Canada on how to deal with problems in Ireland?

Inspirational ?

That's laughable.

montreal2011 · 21-05-2012 07:00PM

Rented Mule wrote: »

Inspirational ?

That's laughable.

Dyslexia is no laughing matter.

Pedant · 21-05-2012 07:27PM

AnonoBoy wrote: »

The main thing that will get me a job is not wasting my time talking sh*te on boards.

Then stop posting an average of 6.77 posts a day on boards, you've been doing it since 2006.

MagicSean · 21-05-2012 07:45PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

It saddens me immensely that my fellow Irishmen and women are content to sit around talking to Joe and complaining on Boards instead of adding their voices to this wave.

It angers me, however, that so many people are not only apathetic about protests, but actively derogatory towards them. Those "hippies" and "crusties" people like to attack on a daily basis are standing up for their rights, the same rights which are being taken away from YOU. The only difference is, they have the will to try and actually do something to stop it from happening.

The establishment's greatest asset is the cynicism of the masses towards popular revolt.

I believe that any protest that interferes with the rights of others is an abuse to the right to protest freely.

AnonoBoy · 21-05-2012 08:39PM

Pedant wrote: »

Then stop posting an average of 6.77 posts a day on boards, you've been doing it since 2006.

I think you missed the fact that I was taking the piss. :rolleyes:

Sorry I just can't match your epic 11.58 per day average.

InTheTrees · 21-05-2012 08:40PM

I thought this was a protestant thread...

:P

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 21-05-2012 10:08PM

Pedant wrote: »

How could the free market possibly be compared with the Nazi regime? Do you know what education was like in Nazi Germany? It was state enforced totalitarian propaganda! It amazes me how you're just one step away from comparing totalitarianism to libertarianism. It would be impossible for the state to brainwash children in the system that Friedman proposes, because the state isn't involved. Parents could monitor exactly what type of education their children are getting and the type of teachers who are teaching them. It would be easier to get rid of teachers who aren't doing their job, and they will be rewarded by the quality of their teaching, not by how many hours they teach in front of a class. That system would reward good teachers and put pressure on bad teachers to improve or get lost. It would also put pressure on students to make their money's worth of their education. We seriously need to incentivise education, in my opinion.

We're not that massively removed from propaganda - why is Irish still compuslory? Why is history widely available, but philospohy not? Because the later encourages you to think for yourself.

The other reservation I have, and the reason I invoked Godwin's law, is this: that happens to the kids who are simply slow learenrs? What profit-driven school is going to waste time on them? it will be a simplae case of, what can tha tstudent offer the school? Nothing? Then **** off.

Also, the respect shown to teachers, judging by AH responses anyway, is minimal. Give the parents a say and you'll have them forcing teachers to work hours above and beyond simply because your average parent things a teach works five hours a day, five days a week, nine months a year.

What are the incentives for a school that is going to make a loss on the kids who need extra time and extra input?

Pedant · 21-05-2012 11:39PM

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

We're not that massively removed from propaganda - why is Irish still compuslory? Why is history widely available, but philospohy not? Because the later encourages you to think for yourself.

I'd agree. I don't think that the state should provide education, nor set its curriculum. There should be more choice.

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

The other reservation I have, and the reason I invoked Godwin's law, is this: that happens to the kids who are simply slow learenrs? What profit-driven school is going to waste time on them? it will be a simplae case of, what can tha tstudent offer the school? Nothing? Then **** off.

No, I'd imagine profit driven schools that specialises in taking care of the needs of special children or slow learners would take care of them. If the parents weren't satisfied with the education their child was taking (an education they were paying for) then they could easily take them out of the school. The thing about private enterprise is that you are required to provide a profit in return for a service, if you don't provide a service (or don't provide a good quality service) you loose profit, especially if you have competition from other schools/teachers.

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Also, the respect shown to teachers, judging by AH responses anyway, is minimal. Give the parents a say and you'll have them forcing teachers to work hours above and beyond simply because your average parent things a teach works five hours a day, five days a week, nine months a year.

I have great respect for teachers, especially good ones. I'm working my way through college with the intent of becoming a teacher, actually. You say that they'll be over worked, but remember that the parents will also have to consider the welfare of the child and that he/she can't be in school 24/7. There needs to be more communication and understanding between teacher and parent, this, unfortunately, isn't really the case in the modern bureaucracy we live in.

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

What are the incentives for a school that is going to make a loss on the kids who need extra time and extra input?

This might sound very clinically put, but there are always going to be children with special needs. Where a service (special needs teacher) is needed and there is a profit to be made, then that service will be provided.

montreal2011 · 22-05-2012 04:52AM

Live stream of the nightly protests.

http://cutvmontreal.ca/live

They walk for hours! Good exercise if nothing else! :pac:

yore · 22-05-2012 05:03AM

sh1te: deleted as I just noticed someone else made a protest ant joke earlier

montreal2011 · 22-05-2012 05:42AM

Yours was much better though!

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 22-05-2012 01:32PM

Pedant wrote: »

I'd agree. I don't think that the state should provide education, nor set its curriculum. There should be more choice.

No, I'd imagine profit driven schools that specialises in taking care of the needs of special children or slow learners would take care of them. If the parents weren't satisfied with the education their child was taking (an education they were paying for) then they could easily take them out of the school. The thing about private enterprise is that you are required to provide a profit in return for a service, if you don't provide a service (or don't provide a good quality service) you loose profit, especially if you have competition from other schools/teachers.

I have great respect for teachers, especially good ones. I'm working my way through college with the intent of becoming a teacher, actually. You say that they'll be over worked, but remember that the parents will also have to consider the welfare of the child and that he/she can't be in school 24/7. There needs to be more communication and understanding between teacher and parent, this, unfortunately, isn't really the case in the modern bureaucracy we live in.

This might sound very clinically put, but there are always going to be children with special needs. Where a service (special needs teacher) is needed and there is a profit to be made, then that service will be provided.

If there is no uniformed curriculum (or at least the base of one) how are universities agoing to select applicants? I'm one of the biggest cirtic of the Leaving Cert, but what it is designed to achieve, it does at least achieve.

I'm not talking about special needs kids, I'm talking about kids who are just a bit slower than their peers or need a little extra time. Where the school is well equipped to help, but will take a hit on profits if they choose to help this kid. Espeiclaly if he still retunrs bad results. And wth free-market, there will be competition, so the other schools with most likely adopt the same appraoch.

The problem with schools for special needs kids, especially outside of cities, is that there won't be enough of them. Who is going to set up such a school, on their own capital, when the demand is extemely scattered?

You have respect for teachers, but you are, unfortunately in the minority. Given half a chance, I think a lot of parents would happily have their kids in school for ten hours a day, five days a week. The excuse? Well, teachers got three months of the year off and only work five hours a day (yes, people really do beleive this).

montreal2011 · 26-05-2012 04:22AM

It continues still, despite 500 arrests on Wednesday night!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQwUc79VGmM

I expect they will end up forcing the Government to call an election, which they are trying to put off for another year, a month before the mafia construction inquiry is due to finish.

Students, who'd have thought they had it in them! :pac:

Dangerous Man · 26-05-2012 04:51AM

It's not just the students though - parents have been getting involved too - as have teachers. I'm fucking sick of them - it's a 'have not' province and they have the lowest tuition in the bloody country. No else in Canada whinges like a Quebecer.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 26-05-2012 05:01AM

I remember the old days when anybody from a middle/upper class family could go up to Dublin and become a Doctor or Lawyer regardless of how they did in the leaving cert. Fees were payed because that was proper order.

montreal2011 · 26-05-2012 05:01AM

The students started it and not many others have become involved, especially after law 78.

I'm not sure what to make of it now! It did seem like they were throwing their toys out the the pram, but maybe there are genuine worries that the increases are not going to go to schooling, but to fund other Government projects like Plan Nord, which is another issue altogether.

It is also true that the mafia and the politicians have been working hand in hand for years now, and not just the politicians in Government; it's expected that all parties will have something to fear from the inquiry.

They complain a lot, but they get their way in the end it seems!

montreal2011 · 26-05-2012 05:04AM

With regard to the fees however, they really are so much cheaper then elsewhere in Canada.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/05/18/how-quebecs-tuition-price-tags-match-up-to-the-rest-of-canada-graphic/

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