Internship scheme offers 5,000 work placements to people on the dole

christmas2012 · 19-05-2012 11:08PM

Yore you must be one of the few who never endured a day on the dole,because if you did you would know the predicament you would be in with no other source of income,do you really think 188 a week is the first choice for most people on the dole?You obviously live on a different planet,planet yore

yore · 19-05-2012 11:12PM

christmas2012 wrote: »

Yore you must be one of the few who never endured a day on the dole,because if you did you would know the predicament you would be in with no other source of income,do you really think 188 a week is the first choice for most people on the dole?You obviously live on a different planet,planet yore

No, I fully understand that it's not their first choice. But it's a higher choice than taking up a low paid job for a lot of people.

The problem is that their first choice is probably a job that they can't get and in many cases are probably deluding themselves that they are entitled to it

Battered Mars Bar · 19-05-2012 11:15PM

yore wrote: »

People who could be working but don't want to demean themselves by doing jobs they think is beneath them.

Perhaps you'd like to furnish me with PROOF of that statement or did you find it in the sand where your head currently is.

christmas2012 · 19-05-2012 11:15PM

so you think somebody on a jobsearch is going to narrow down their search ive known some people who are unemployed that have literally applied everywhere but to no avail..

yore · 19-05-2012 11:23PM

Battered Mars Bar wrote: »

Perhaps you'd like to furnish me with PROOF of that statement or did you find it in the sand where your head currently is.

There are plenty of employers finding it difficult to get employees.

And I'd say that having my head stuck in sand would smell a lot nicer than where you seem to have yours stuck!

Battered Mars Bar · 19-05-2012 11:30PM

yore wrote: »

There are plenty of employers finding it difficult to get employees.

Oh gee wiz and I guess jobsbridge sure solves that made up problem. Thanks, gosh you're just super.

Mass unemployment but employers can't find employees. Gosh wow thanks, you sure opened my eyes.

yore · 19-05-2012 11:51PM

Battered Mars Bar wrote: »

Oh gee wiz and I guess jobsbridge sure solves that made up problem. Thanks, gosh you're just super.

Mass unemployment but employers can't find employees. Gosh wow thanks, you sure opened my eyes.

Here are some made-up jobs

http://jobsearch.monster.ie/jobs/?cy=ie
http://www.findajob.ie/5/job-search-simple.html?offset=0&reloadedSearch=1&suid=249d9c24-8aa4-4a37-855d-90fa2e64e511
http://www.recruitireland.com/joblocation/Dublin+County
http://www.irishjobs.ie/ShowResults.aspx?Recruiter=Both&Category=&Location=102&Keywords=Any+Extra+Keywords%3F&x=34&y=9

Some made-up examples of employers finding it difficult to get staff
http://www.siliconrepublic.com/careers/item/21807-gxp-systems-finding-it-hard
http://www.jobsguideireland.com/amazon-ireland-40-job-vacancies/

Kurz · 20-05-2012 12:01AM

yore wrote: »

People who could be working but don't want to demean themselves by doing jobs they think is beneath them

yore wrote: »

Some made-up examples of employers finding it difficult to get staff
http://www.siliconrepublic.com/caree...inding-it-hard
http://www.jobsguideireland.com/amaz...job-vacancies/

So these are the jobs that people think are beneath them? Highly skilled engineering and pharmacology? They can't fill the roles you linked because the qualified applicants aren't there.

sunflower27 · 20-05-2012 12:12AM

Kurz wrote: »

So these are the jobs that people think are beneath them? Highly skilled engineering and pharmacology? They can't fill the roles you linked because the qualified applicants aren't there.

Exactly. Plenty of the jobs on jobbridge were always paid jobs in the past but now employers know they can get people to do them for free.

i said earlier on this thread that my local fas site has over two-thirds of jobs listed as 'interns' or ce rates.

I don't think I will be getting a paid job any time soon. To be honest I am sick to death of worrying about it. Applied for one this week but am fairly sure they will be inundated so will wait and see what happens.

My internship finishes up July 4 and I am delighted. 9 months at 50e extra a week. I have done enough

And hey, no jobs at the end of it to apply for... they are all interns or CE rates. Oh the irony

Going to be tough out there for a while yet

Things will improve when Jobbridge goes. Until then.... not much I can do about it.

Battered Mars Bar · 20-05-2012 12:27AM

yore wrote: »

Here are some made-up jobs

http://jobsearch.monster.ie/jobs/?cy=ie
http://www.findajob.ie/5/job-search-simple.html?offset=0&reloadedSearch=1&suid=249d9c24-8aa4-4a37-855d-90fa2e64e511
http://www.recruitireland.com/joblocation/Dublin+County
http://www.irishjobs.ie/ShowResults.aspx?Recruiter=Both&Category=&Location=102&Keywords=Any+Extra+Keywords%3F&x=34&y=9

Some made-up examples of employers finding it difficult to get staff
http://www.siliconrepublic.com/careers/item/21807-gxp-systems-finding-it-hard
http://www.jobsguideireland.com/amazon-ireland-40-job-vacancies/

I appreciate the effort but I suggest you put down the wine and try focusing on the topic and or at least what I say.

Now, how does posting links to high spec job vacancies relate to "people not wanting to demean themselves by working low end jobs"

At this point I will remind you this is a thread about jobsbridge not a thread about American software giants looking for MIT equivalent engineers...a 9 months dole internship does not equate to a 4.0 and a 5 year masters in computer science I'd like to inform you.

Do you think you can manage to stay on topic this time?

yore · 20-05-2012 12:42AM

Battered Mars Bar wrote: »

I appreciate the effort but I suggest you put down the wine and try focusing on the topic and or at least what I say.

Now, how does posting links to high spec jobs vacancies relate to "people not wanting to demean themselves by working low end jobs"

At this point I will remind you this is a thread about jobsbridge not a thread about American software giants looking for MIT equivalent engineers...a 9 months dole internship does not equate to a 4.0 and a 5 year masters in computer science I'd like to inform you.

Do you think you can manage to stay on topic this time?

Me boll1x. Do you have any idea what it costs to go through a recruitment site like that? If you own a local shop and want someone to work in it, you stick the job in the window. You don't need to advertise it nationally via a recruitment agency that will take their cut.

This however is a website that has lower paid jobs.

http://jobseeker.fas.ie/

Happy now?

Kurz · 20-05-2012 12:51AM

But wait, this amazing job site you've linked mostly lists unpaid jobs which were previously paid jobs! Maybe there should be a thread to discuss this issue!

Oh, nvm.

yore · 20-05-2012 12:55AM

Battered Mars Bar wrote: »

I appreciate the effort but I suggest you put down the wine and try focusing on the topic and or at least what I say.

Now, how does posting links to high spec jobs vacancies relate to "people not wanting to demean themselves by working low end jobs"

At this point I will remind you this is a thread about jobsbridge not a thread about American software giants looking for MIT equivalent engineers...a 9 months dole internship does not equate to a 4.0 and a 5 year masters in computer science I'd like to inform you.

Do you think you can manage to stay on topic this time?

What exactly are you saying anyway? Is it that the reason that you are on the dole is that there are 7000 internship positions? Is that your position? And you think that if it was done away with, that you'd get one of them as a fully paid job?

Complete and utter bullsh1te.

The ironic thing is that a lot of posts are condescending towards the types of jobs such as "wiping tables" or "barista training". The people posting the condescending posts are complaining and moaning but from the tone of their posts, they wouldn't be happy with those jobs anyway.

Either you think a job is good, and hence an internship in that position is valuable or you think it's a sh1t job, in which case you wouldn't do it anyway. Don't complain that it's a **** job/internship and simultaneously pretend that you'd want the job if it was fully paid.

And stop bleedin' moaning and blaming everyone else. There are lots of people unemployed, but there are also lots working. Use this time to learn from those who are working. it's not as if being on the dole is a massive drain on your personal time!

yore · 20-05-2012 12:56AM

Kurz wrote: »

But wait, this amazing job site you've linked mostly lists unpaid jobs which were previously paid jobs! Maybe there should be a thread to discuss this issue!

Oh, nvm.

Eh... no. I think you'll find there are 134 salaried jobs there. Be more observant. It might help you in your jobsearch

yore · 20-05-2012 01:00AM

yore wrote: »

Eh... no. I think you'll find there are 134 salaried jobs there. Be more observant. It might help you in your jobsearch

134 full time, plus 63 part time. 82 internships, 11 workplaces for grads and 9 other work placements.

So your assertion of "mostly" doesn't really hold up. there is either a deficiency in your grasp of the definition of the word, or else in your mathematical ability. Improving either, or even both, might also help in your search for a job.

Battered Mars Bar · 20-05-2012 01:11AM

yore wrote: »

Battered Mars Bar wrote: »

I appreciate the effort but I suggest you put down the wine and try focusing on the topic and or at least what I say.

Now, how does posting links to high spec jobs vacancies relate to "people not wanting to demean themselves by working low end jobs"

At this point I will remind you this is a thread about jobsbridge not a thread about American software giants looking for MIT equivalent engineers...a 9 months dole internship does not equate to a 4.0 and a 5 year masters in computer science I'd like to inform you.

Do you think you can manage to stay on topic this time?

What exactly are you saying anyway? Is it that the reason that you are on the dole is that there are 7000 internship positions? Is that your position? And you think that if it was done away with, that you'd get one of them as a fully paid job?

Complete and utter bullsh1te.

The ironic thing is that a lot of posts are condescending towards the types of jobs such as "wiping tables" or "barista training". The people posting the condescending posts are complaining and moaning but from the tone of their posts, they wouldn't be happy with those jobs anyway.

Either you think a job is good, and hence an internship in that position is valuable or you think it's a sh1t job, in which case you wouldn't do it anyway. Don't complain that it's a **** job/internship and simultaneously pretend that you'd want the job if it was fully paid.

And stop bleedin' moaning and blaming everyone else. There are lots of people unemployed, but there are also lots working. Use this time to learn from those who are working. it's not as if being on the dole is a massive drain on your personal time!

Thanks for your concern, I'm not unemployed, I have not moaned in this thread or expressed any derogatory remarks towards any profession.

You were asked a question. I won't accept an irrelevant question as an answer or respond unless there's some coherence between us.

yore · 20-05-2012 01:21AM

Battered Mars Bar wrote: »

Thanks for your concern, I'm not unemployed, I have not moaned in this thread or expressed any derogatory remarks towards any profession.

You were asked a question. I won't accept an irrelevant question as an answer or respond unless there's some coherence between us.

I answered your question in a post a few previous to that with a link to FAS to keep you happy with some "lower paid" jobs as examples of available jobs. You seem to have conveniently ignored that one.

quite a few of those posts have been on the site for a while.

And frankly, I don't really care what you'll accept.

Battered Mars Bar · 20-05-2012 01:35AM

yore wrote: »

I answered your question in a post a few previous to that with a link to FAS to keep you happy with some "lower paid" jobs as examples of available jobs. You seem to have conveniently ignored that one.

quite a few of those posts have been on the site for a while.

And frankly, I don't really care what you'll accept.

The question was for the third and final time, what has a link to high spec highly qualified engineering jobs got to do with people not wanting to demean themselves with lower end jobs.

And...Now we'll go back since you love reverse gear so much...show me PROOF of employers who can't find employees *in relation to this thread jobsbridge* *lower end jobs like the aforementioned people not wanting to demean themselves* like we were discussing.

Go on, stagger off topic again for sh¡ts & giggles.

Kurz · 20-05-2012 01:41AM

yore wrote: »

134 full time, plus 63 part time. 82 internships, 11 workplaces for grads and 9 other work placements.

So your assertion of "mostly" doesn't really hold up. there is either a deficiency in your grasp of the definition of the word, or else in your mathematical ability. Improving either, or even both, might also help in your search for a job.

I'm not searching for a job. I work for the Department of Education if you must know.

I posted on the thread because I think it's disgraceful that in the current economic climate jobs are being taken away by this scheme. This scheme is a major factor in the unemployment crisis in this country.

Since you're so good at the numbers and I'm a mathematical dunce, do some number crunching on how many of those jobs are chefs, home carers and sales representatives. Chefs are qualified professionals as are home carers, sales reps aren't jobs.

My concern is with kids finishing school without the financial backing to go onto further study who would take entry-level positions in restaurants, factories, retail, construction and office work. These entry-level jobs don't exist on FAS anymore, they're all unpaid positions doing menial work that would usually pay a basic wage. Those positions don't exist anymore because of this scheme and people won't make coffee for other people for nothing. This scheme isn't new and if it had worked then the unemployment rate would have decreased rather than increased.

If you can do better than petty personal attacks based on incorrect presumptions then go ahead.

yore · 20-05-2012 02:37AM

Kurz wrote: »

I'm not searching for a job. I work for the Department of Education if you must know.

It's well for some. Nice work if you can get it. I left college in 2009. Well before any of this jobsbridge (although there were always internships). Recruitment agencies said I'd be looking at a starting salary of just over 30k, although because I had a very good CV, I might squeeze it to nearer 35k.........I think the starting grade for a teacher was over 40k. No targets to meet or fear of being sacked for underperformance. It must be even nicer to work in the Dept. if you don't even have to do your 19 hours a week in front of the class for the 39 weeks of the year or whatever.

I posted on the thread because I think it's disgraceful that in the current economic climate jobs are being taken away by this scheme. This scheme is a major factor in the unemployment crisis in this country.

Yep, that's right. There was full employment until they made those 7000 jobs available.

Since you're so good at the numbers and I'm a mathematical dunce, do some number crunching on how many of those jobs are chefs, home carers and sales representatives. Chefs are qualified professionals as are home carers, sales reps aren't jobs.

I don't understand your point here. Also, sales reps are in fact jobs. I know of plenty of people who earned fantastic money doing those non-jobs during the celtic tiger years.

My concern is with kids finishing school without the financial backing to go onto further study who would take entry-level positions in restaurants, factories, retail, construction and office work. These entry-level jobs don't exist on FAS anymore, they're all unpaid positions doing menial work that would usually pay a basic wage. Those positions don't exist anymore because of this scheme and people won't make coffee for other people for nothing. This scheme isn't new and if it had worked then the unemployment rate would have decreased rather than increased.

This bit is incoherent and I can't quite understand what you are saying. It seems to be that there were (or would be) paid jobs. But now they are internships yet people will not do them for nothing..... So where there once was a need for a particular position, there is now no need for it????
As for construction, yeah, you're bang on the nail there. The construction sector would be booming for kids out of school if there was no jobsbridge. If I needed a carpenter, and there was no jobsbridge, I'd definitely get an 18 year old kid to put down my new floor. It's not as if there are plenty of fully qualified carpenters looking for work now is it?

If you can do better than petty personal attacks based on incorrect presumptions then go ahead.

Yeah, whatever. You posted a sarky response trying to make some smartar$e response that the link

mostly lists unpaid jobs which were previously paid jobs!

and all I did was point out that that you were wrong with that assertion.

yore · 20-05-2012 02:50AM

Battered Mars Bar wrote: »

The question was for the third and final time, what has a link to high spec highly qualified engineering jobs got to do with people not wanting to demean themselves with lower end jobs.

And...Now we'll go back since you love reverse gear so much...show me PROOF of employers who can't find employees *in relation to this thread jobsbridge* *lower end jobs like the aforementioned people not wanting to demean themselves* like we were discussing.

Go on, stagger off topic again for sh¡ts & giggles.

yeah, whatever. There are jobs out there. I posted links to some sites. I didn't filter the results. Not all those ones were high spec highly qualified jobs although you selectively focussed in on those to support whatever warped argument you want to present. You conveniently keep ignoring the link to the fas website which has plenty of jobs too. some of which seem to have been unfilled for months. Plenty of them around the minimum wage bracket.

I can also use your own trick against you. from the first link , here are some of the lower paid jobs. Funnily enough, they aren't all high spec engineering jobs after all

http://jobview.monster.ie/Danish-Dutch-technical-support-agent-Job-Dublin-Ireland-110133411.aspx

http://jobview.monster.ie/Customer-Order-Administrator-Job-Dublin-East-Ireland-109067434.aspx

http://jobview.monster.ie/German-Customer-Service-Job-Cork-Cork-Ireland-110172447.aspx

http://jobview.monster.ie/Urgent-Italian-Customer-Support-Agent-needed-in-Dublin!-Start-Date-ASAP2-Job-dublin-Dublin-Ireland-110168256.aspx

Battered Mars Bar · 20-05-2012 03:14AM

yore wrote: »

yeah, whatever. There are jobs out there. I posted links to some sites. I didn't filter the results. Not all those ones were high spec highly qualified jobs although you selectively focussed in on those to support whatever warped argument you want to present. You conveniently keep ignoring the link to the fas website which has plenty of jobs too. some of which seem to have been unfilled for months. Plenty of them around the minimum wage bracket.

I can also use your own trick against you. from the first link , here are some of the lower paid jobs. Funnily enough, they aren't all high spec engineering jobs after all

http://jobview.monster.ie/Danish-Dutch-technical-support-agent-Job-Dublin-Ireland-110133411.aspx

http://jobview.monster.ie/Customer-Order-Administrator-Job-Dublin-East-Ireland-109067434.aspx

http://jobview.monster.ie/German-Customer-Service-Job-Cork-Cork-Ireland-110172447.aspx

http://jobview.monster.ie/Urgent-Italian-Customer-Support-Agent-needed-in-Dublin!-Start-Date-ASAP2-Job-dublin-Dublin-Ireland-110168256.aspx

I know they're jobs out there, I don't recall saying there wasn't. A fas website is something I don't want on my internet search history thanks. Those positions probably are filled but fas are so incompetent that they probably haven't taken them down. I don't care really, I'm not in a position to speculate the workings of fas website administrators and it's not relevant to anything I said. What I said was provide proof that people won't take jobs that are beneath them like you said. It's a bollox statement.

yore wrote: »

I guess it's more a case of "Ask not what you can do for your country..."

So the above quote from you. Contradiction of yourself. Are you actually trying to apply Kennedys quote to jobsbridge. So? Get an unpaid job and have the government pay for you instead of the employer is some how of service to the country?

Kurz · 20-05-2012 03:45AM

yore wrote: »

This bit is incoherent and I can't quite understand what you are saying. It seems to be that there were (or would be) paid jobs. But now they are internships yet people will not do them for nothing..... So where there once was a need for a particular position, there is now no need for it????

Since you've conceded to the rest of the post apart from this part, I'm happy to clear it up for you.

There's a lot of demand in terms of entry-level postions. Kids out of college in all the skilled industries will do the dregs of the work if they're paid enough to rent a room nearby, pay their bills and get on with their lives while they make the initial progress to proceed in their desired field. These positions don't exist now because of this failure of a scheme. You don't have to pay them anymore, the rest of us pay them dole +25% for providing free labour to a private company. There's no position in that company for the "trainee" because they're some kind of doley on a scheme, that will be replaced by another as soon as the scheme finishes.

Free labour? why not. Pretty nice deal for private business. The few that exploit kids that don't know better will have a few quid in their pocket and the harmless that got exploited won't realised they've been utterly abused until they're older and wiser.

It's a shameful scheme and will be looked back on with contempt by future generations and rightly so.

yore · 20-05-2012 04:08AM

Battered Mars Bar wrote: »

I know they're jobs out there, I don't recall saying there wasn't. A fas website is something I don't want on my internet search history thanks. Those positions probably are filled but fas are so incompetent that they probably haven't taken them down. I don't care really, I'm not in a position to speculate the workings of fas website administrators and it's not relevant to anything I said. What I said was provide proof that people won't take jobs that are beneath them like you said. It's a bollox statement.

Do you really believe that every single person on the dole applies for every single job that they could physically do? Seriously? That if there is a part time job for minimum wage down sweeping the local shop floor, that everyone who can hold a brush applies for it?

By the way, those links you quoted back weren't anything to do with FAS which makes your little high-horse rant completely irrelevant.

So the above quote from you. Contradiction of yourself. Are you actually trying to apply Kennedys quote to jobsbridge. So? Get an unpaid job and have the government pay for you instead of the employer is some how of service to the country?

Nope. that post was not about jobsbridge. It was about people on the dole who wanted to stay on it and sponge rather than take a low paid job. Good try though.

yore · 20-05-2012 04:13AM

Kurz wrote: »

Since you've conceded to the rest of the post apart from this part, I'm happy to clear it up for you.

Yep, there was no sarcasm at all in any of the responses.

There's a lot of demand in terms of entry-level postions. Kids out of college in all the skilled industries will do the dregs of the work if they're paid enough to rent a room nearby, pay their bills and get on with their lives while they make the initial progress to proceed in their desired field. These positions don't exist now because of this failure of a scheme. You don't have to pay them anymore, the rest of us pay them dole +25% for providing free labour to a private company. There's no position in that company for the "trainee" because they're some kind of doley on a scheme, that will be replaced by another as soon as the scheme finishes.

Free labour? why not. Pretty nice deal for private business. The few that exploit kids that don't know better will have a few quid in their pocket and the harmless that got exploited won't realised they've been utterly abused until they're older and wiser.

you've switched your argument from kids who can't afford to go to college, to kids who are just out of college. Those 7000 internships are doing a hell of a lot of damage. 450,000 on the live register. Let's cut the number of internships to 3500 shall we and watch that fall to 225,000. Did you go to the Joe Higgins school of economics by any chance?

It's a shameful scheme and will be looked back on with contempt by future generations and rightly so.

Pigs will fly.

sunflower27 · 20-05-2012 09:04AM

It is a shameful scheme, a band-aid scheme that is doing very little to get people back into full-time paid jobs. The entire time interns are on it they are sucking funds from the State - more than they would be normally as it is an extra €200/m on top of the dole.

The vast majority of people on the scheme would want to get paid work out of it for it to be a success. It isn't a success and I don't care who comes on here rattling off jobs. Of course there are jobs out there ffs - but how many people are applying for those positions? And not everyone has the experience required for every job.

I don't get this assertion that there are jobs out there so therefore people are refusing to apply for them. I very much doubt that is the case at all. A job that is advertised is going to stay up online for more than 5 mins.

Anyway, hopefully the scheme will die a death when enough people open their eyes and see just how badly it is job-blocking.

It won't last forever

Battered Mars Bar · 20-05-2012 12:12PM

yore wrote: »

Do you really believe that every single person on the dole applies for every single job that they could physically do? Seriously? That if there is a part time job for minimum wage down sweeping the local shop floor, that everyone who can hold a brush applies for it?

By the way, those links you quoted back weren't anything to do with FAS which makes your little high-horse rant completely
Nope. that post was not about jobsbridge. It was about people on the dole who wanted to stay on it and sponge rather than take a low paid job. Good try though.

No of course, and you see this is where your logic becomes absurd. They're plenty of highly qualified individuals that wouldn't dream of holding a brush, these people apply for jobs in relation to their career or they apply for more prominent positions in new careers or they further their education or they do charity work however I know plenty of people who were earning 80k and over in the boom that would gladly take a job in McDonalds now, what's your point? that everyone should be a clone copy of each other and the jobs industry should become inundated with the wrong people filling the wrong positions? You see your absurd logic thinks everyone should apply for everything and yet no one applies for anything. You fail to grasp why there's unemployment in this country and really unless I get a piece of chalk and a blackboard we won't get anywhere. Now a solicitor in cork might not want to sweep up vomit in Donegal. He wouldn't get the job if he applied, why? because the suitably qualified person which are ten a dozen gets the menial job whilst our solicitor friend might apply to be a manager of lidl in kerry to fill his time which our brush friend can't apply for because he lacks any appropriate skill.

Again your logic about dole spongers is flawed. There will always be people who won't work. A child could understand this stuff and it bears no relation to this thread. If you want to discuss that start a thread about how to get people who won't work or never have worked to work. Don't mingle different non related points to get across some vague argument of 400K+ people not wanting to demean themselves.

Now remove your blinkers for a second and try explaining your argument that employers can't find employees because people won't demean themselves. Go on grab a big brush there and dip it into some tar first. Will I make it simple for you? Ok, an employer who needs someone to work in his bakery are now typically spouting such rubbish as not being able to find suitable employees which is a lie but you fall for it. This employer then takes advantage of jobsbridge "to train someone up" and rides that person for 9 months before riding someone else all the while the few remaining tax payers are left to foot the bill.

So by your logic do we make every menial job an internship because for some reason no ones qualified enough to work behind a deli counter anymore. Furthermore to your insane logic, "people won't demean themselves by clearing tables" So! We pay them nothing?! Sure that's less demeaning. Who pays for it then? Sure there's no real jobs left therefore no tax payer therefore no one to supplement a persons dole.

Can you grasp the vicious and damaging scam that is jobsbridge now? Are you going to continue being unpatriotic and destroy the workforce of this country just because no one wants to pay anyone to do anything anymore..."sure f**k it, some shmuck somwhere else can pay for some dumb schmuck to work for free here" is your logic.

It's time YOU stand on your own two feet and stop expecting hand outs from the government. Get your own job on your own initiative and get paid real money instead of expecting ordinary tax payers to pay for you to work. Most importantly of all stop trying to promote slavery in modern day Ireland.

yore · 20-05-2012 12:55PM

Battered Mars Bar wrote: »

No of course, and you see this is where your logic becomes absurd. They're plenty of highly qualified individuals that wouldn't dream of holding a brush, these people apply for jobs in relation to their career or they apply for more prominent positions in new careers or they further their education or they do charity work however I know plenty of people who were earning 80k and over in the boom that would gladly take a job in McDonalds now, what's your point? that everyone should be a clone copy of each other and the jobs industry should become inundated with the wrong people filling the wrong positions? You see your absurd logic thinks everyone should apply for everything and yet no one applies for anything. You fail to grasp why there's unemployment in this country and really unless I get a piece of chalk and a blackboard we won't get anywhere. Now a solicitor in cork might not want to sweep up vomit in Donegal. He wouldn't get the job if he applied, why? because the suitably qualified person which are ten a dozen gets the menial job whilst our solicitor friend might apply to be a manager of lidl in kerry to fill his time which our brush friend can't apply for because he lacks any appropriate skill.

Again your logic about dole spongers is flawed. There will always be people who won't work. A child could understand this stuff and it bears no relation to this thread. If you want to discuss that start a thread about how to get people who won't work or never have worked to work. Don't mingle different non related points to get across some vague argument of 400K+ people not wanting to demean themselves.

Now remove your blinkers for a second and try explaining your argument that employers can't find employees because people won't demean themselves. Go on grab a big brush there and dip it into some tar first. Will I make it simple for you? Ok, an employer who needs someone to work in his bakery are now typically spouting such rubbish as not being able to find suitable employees which is a lie but you fall for it. This employer then takes advantage of jobsbridge "to train someone up" and rides that person for 9 months before riding someone else all the while the few remaining tax payers are left to foot the bill.

So by your logic do we make every menial job an internship because for some reason no ones qualified enough to work behind a deli counter anymore. Furthermore to your insane logic, "people won't demean themselves by clearing tables" So! We pay them nothing?! Sure that's less demeaning. Who pays for it then? Sure there's no real jobs left therefore no tax payer therefore no one to supplement a persons dole.

Can you grasp the vicious and damaging scam that is jobsbridge now? Are you going to continue being unpatriotic and destroy the workforce of this country just because no one wants to pay anyone to do anything anymore..."sure f**k it, some shmuck somwhere else can pay for some dumb schmuck to work for free here" is your logic.

It's time YOU stand on your own two feet and stop expecting hand outs from the government. Get your own job on your own initiative and get paid real money instead of expecting ordinary tax payers to pay for you to work. Most importantly of all stop trying to promote slavery in modern day Ireland.

How ironic.

Blah blah blah. Whatever. Blame it on "the man". Scrap jobsbridge and return to full employment so. Break up the collusion of government and employers who want to destroy the economy for X/Y/X/whatever crazy reason you believe.

At the same time you'll be moaning about the government not doing enough to create jobs. It's laughable.

yore · 20-05-2012 12:56PM

sunflower27 wrote: »

It is a shameful scheme, a band-aid scheme that is doing very little to get people back into full-time paid jobs. The entire time interns are on it they are sucking funds from the State - more than they would be normally as it is an extra €200/m on top of the dole.

The vast majority of people on the scheme would want to get paid work out of it for it to be a success. It isn't a success and I don't care who comes on here rattling off jobs. Of course there are jobs out there ffs - but how many people are applying for those positions? And not everyone has the experience required for every job.

I don't get this assertion that there are jobs out there so therefore people are refusing to apply for them. I very much doubt that is the case at all. A job that is advertised is going to stay up online for more than 5 mins.

Anyway, hopefully the scheme will die a death when enough people open their eyes and see just how badly it is job-blocking.

It won't last forever

Translation:
I've just finished this scheme and gotten my references/experience. I now want it scrapped right away so that the ladder is pulled up behind me.

Battered Mars Bar · 20-05-2012 01:07PM

yore wrote: »

How ironic.

Blah blah blah. Whatever. Blame it on "the man". Scrap jobsbridge and return to full employment so. Break up the collusion of government and employers who want to destroy the economy for X/Y/X/whatever crazy reason you believe.

At the same time you'll be moaning about the government not doing enough to create jobs. It's laughable.

How ironic.

Governments don't create jobs. So go on, blame the man, scrap full employment and return to jobsbridge so. Break up the collusion of people who won't demean themselves and work for free for X/Y whatever crazy reason you believe.

At the same time you'll be moaning that people are not doing enough to find full employment. It's laughable.

Internship scheme offers 5,000 work placements to people on the dole

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