Leaving Cert term ends early after dance incident

uriah · 19-05-2012 06:24PM

Copper_pipe wrote: »

Here it is,
there year had a rave in the common room locked the doors blacked out the windows raved for an hour flooded the room
then one threw an orange at our jewish duputy pirncipal and called him a jew
then the other one was being cheeky and rude when being interviewed
the other one did something on facebook

Criminal damage and assault for a start.

That should get them into court, resulting in a record that will keep them out of many countries.
I wonder if it was worth it?

Caiseoipe19 · 19-05-2012 06:52PM

Biggins wrote: »

I sort of look at it this way - like in a job with your employer...

* IF one was instead to throw an orange at a employer/boss - they certainly might have been fired - never mind any name calling.
* IF one was being cheeky and rude to boss/staff member when being interviewed, depending on the rudeness, certainly there might have been cause for a penalty to be metered out.
* IF a third then went home and posted something on Facebook (I'm guessing in bitchiness and/or having a further dig at the managers/staff?), then certainly besides liability issues, there might have been reason for penalties due to cyber-bullying alone.

Besides the possible locking of any room from inside (an insurance company alone would have a heart-attack), which was wrong (maybe on a lesser scale - maybe not?), the students were certainly all mature enough to know that they were doing something very wrong, something the people that were over the property would not have liked - that they went and covered up the window to hide their activities.

If it was JUST music and dancing, I'm suspecting that they might not just have bothered to cover the windows?
Maybe they also didn't want to be seen & caught smoking what ever? Thats just speculation however and a guess.

Covering the windows I assumed was to block out the light for their "rave".

KyussBishop · 19-05-2012 07:01PM

School seems perfectly within rights to expel them really; they can still sit the Leaving Cert, they just need to do it at another exam center.

Biggins · 19-05-2012 07:21PM

Many years ago during the actual leaving exams were going on, three students let off a number of fire extinguishers about a CBS building.
As it was too late to stop them from taking their exams at the school, it was put down on their records that they were expelled in their final days.

(I'm guessing that the school, had they followed normal procedure anyway, would have expelled them, allowed an appeal and then acted after that - if there had been time. As it was, its just now on their record that they were expelled!)

byhookorbycrook · 19-05-2012 07:25PM

Being "on their record" doesn't really count for much, it's not like this is passed on to uni or employers or whatever.

girl in the striped socks · 19-05-2012 07:25PM

Copper_pipe wrote: »

I know some people who go to the school and just sent them a text there, i got back a reply but would rather not say it, but il PM if anyone wants it,

Go on so. Curiosity is getting the better of me.

Biggins · 19-05-2012 07:29PM

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

Being "on their record" doesn't really count for much, it's not like this is passed on to uni or employers or whatever.

I can't say myself. I don't know.
Maybe if they applied to a third level college later, it might have an effect?
Anyway, it was years ago - and trust me - the three lads were never going to third level anyway!

goat2 · 19-05-2012 07:30PM

Nodin wrote: »

Paying money for an education isn't a licence to abuse the "little people" who constitute the staff.

that post of mine was expressed, before copper pipe let us knew what he/she knew in their post,
i fully agree that it is wrong to trow anything at anybody, let alone your superior, and to bring religion into it is not right, yes they should be repremanded

Milk & Honey · 19-05-2012 11:00PM

KyussBishop wrote: »

School seems perfectly within rights to expel them really; they can still sit the Leaving Cert, they just need to do it at another exam center.

I am not sure the school can stop them sitting the exam. Once the school offers itself as a centre they have to let any candidate who is registered there sit. There was an incident some years ago in Donegal when a school principal refused to admit students who were not in school uniform into an exam. he had to back down when the Dept. of Education got involved.
It happened to me when I was leaving school. Expelled and refused a reference. Sat the exams in the school and the lack of a reference was never a problem.

kfallon · 19-05-2012 11:12PM

They were having a 'rave' - are we back in 1994?

IM0 · 19-05-2012 11:15PM

soft boys. having a rave in the school building. wtf

spurious · 19-05-2012 11:22PM

Milk & Honey wrote: »

I am not sure the school can stop them sitting the exam. Once the school offers itself as a centre they have to let any candidate who is registered there sit. There was an incident some years ago in Donegal when a school principal refused to admit students who were not in school uniform into an exam. he had to back down when the Dept. of Education got involved.
It happened to me when I was leaving school. Expelled and refused a reference. Sat the exams in the school and the lack of a reference was never a problem.

The school agrees to being a centre for the State Examinations Commission, but the school still has the right to refuse entry to their premises to people they do not want there.

So, while they could not stop them sitting the exam in another centre, they are quite within their rights to stop them sitting it in their school.

suicide_circus · 19-05-2012 11:23PM

uriah wrote: »

Criminal damage and assault for a start.

That should get them into court, resulting in a record that will keep them out of many countries.
I wonder if it was worth it?

Ehh....YEAH, pretty much!
http://static.pokato.net/2011-02-26-21-44-261141296106.jpg

rab!dmonkey · 19-05-2012 11:31PM

Shryke wrote: »

They're kids. It's way too harsh considering the effect it might have on their futures at this junction. They'd have to give some awful abuse to deserve that kind of treatment. Maybe they did though? Who knows.

What effect might this have on their futures? All that's happened is that they'll have to go to the next school down the road to do their exams.

Milk & Honey · 19-05-2012 11:38PM

spurious wrote: »

The school agrees to being a centre for the State Examinations Commission, but the school still has the right to refuse entry to their premises to people they do not want there.

So, while they could not stop them sitting the exam in another centre, they are quite within their rights to stop them sitting it in their school.

What makes you think that? The department has external candidates. What if they assign one to a nearby school? The school has already processed their applications the sit the exam at that school and registered them. Schools can't have it both ways.

Mardy Bum · 20-05-2012 12:01AM

Milk & Honey wrote: »

What makes you think that? The department has external candidates. What if they assign one to a nearby school? The school has already processed their applications the sit the exam at that school and registered them. Schools can't have it both ways.

External candidates have to find an examination centre themselves. The school can do what it likes. This happens quite a bit only it doesn't receive coverage because generally its not a private school.

JustAThought · 20-05-2012 07:54AM

c'mon: you remember the stress of the LC : how everything was hyped up twards it for two whole years; how your friends were so important to ya & the whole pistmortem thing after every exam. Imagine having to find another school ; your parents rage; not knowing where to go ; being estranged from everyone & in an alien environment.
The school has taken their money for X years ; it's hardly fair to actively **** them over like this at the final hurdle; they know exactly what they are doing to them.
Poor show.
And who in their right mind allowed a "rave" on premises; c'moff it.

The Big Red Button · 20-05-2012 08:11AM

JustAThought wrote: »

c'mon: you remember the stress of the LC : how everything was hyped up twards it for two whole years; how your friends were so important to ya & the whole pistmortem thing after every exam. Imagine having to find another school ; your parents rage; not knowing where to go ; being estranged from everyone & in an alien environment.
The school has taken their money for X years ; it's hardly fair to actively **** them over like this at the final hurdle; they know exactly what they are doing to them.
Poor show.
And who in their right mind allowed a "rave" on premises; c'moff it.

They f***ed themselves over! You're talking like the students are innocent victims in all of this! Any punishment they get, they brought it on themselves - and to be honest, while sitting the exams in another school may be inconvenient, it's not exactly going to traumatise them for life - I'm sure the poor little lambs will just find a way to cope with the "estrangement" and "alien environment". :rolleyes:

And I'm pretty sure that the point is that a rave wasn't allowed ... obviously ...

spurious · 20-05-2012 09:07AM

Milk & Honey wrote: »

What makes you think that? The department has external candidates. What if they assign one to a nearby school? The school has already processed their applications the sit the exam at that school and registered them. Schools can't have it both ways.

'What makes me think that' is that that is the way it is.

'External' candidates are added to schools all the time. There is an office in Cornamaddy dealing with last minute changes almost 24 hours a day during the exam period.

The schools involved in these incidents are private institutions. They can choose who they will and who they won't allow on their premises.
If one of them decides Johnny Bloggs is a risk due to recent behaviour, the SEC can tell Johnny he is to go to St. Madonna's up the road to sit his exam. It's no big deal. Happens very often.

The SEC runs the exams, not the schools, so the school cannot say 'You're not sitting your Leaving', only 'You're not sitting your Leaving in our centre'.

Milk & Honey · 20-05-2012 09:17AM

spurious wrote: »

'What makes me think that' is that that is the way it is.

'External' candidates are added to schools all the time. There is an office in Cornamaddy dealing with last minute changes almost 24 hours a day during the exam period.

The schools involved in these incidents are private institutions. They can choose who they will and who they won't allow on their premises.
If one of them decides Johnny Bloggs is a risk due to recent behaviour, the SEC can tell Johnny he is to go to St. Madonna's up the road to sit his exam. It's no big deal. Happens very often.

The SEC runs the exams, not the schools, so the school cannot say 'You're not sitting your Leaving', only 'You're not sitting your Leaving in our centre'.

There is no legal reason to do it. The SEC just doesn't have the guts to take on the schools and they want to keep jobs for the boys doing changeovers.More empire building.

murphm45 · 20-05-2012 10:20AM

Based on the report in the independent it looks to be a bit more serious then was originally portryed!

Just to say though that while the article does suggest this was a seperate event to the one which lead to the expulsions but i'd be surprised if they weren't in some way linked.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/garda-helicopter-scrambled-for-school-prank-that-went-too-far-3112771.html

vamos! · 20-05-2012 10:25AM

Pranks have always happened but they seem to be getting worse as the standards of respect, accountability and common decency decline. A non-fee paying school in Meath also cancelled the grad and sent students home adter a teacher was assaulted. It didnt make the news though. How many assaults happened in the name of pranks last week??

Ghost Train · 20-05-2012 10:35AM

murphm45 wrote: »

Based on the report in the independent it looks to be a bit more serious then was originally portryed!

Just to say though that while the article does suggest this was a seperate event to the one which lead to the expulsions but i'd be surprised if they weren't in some way linked.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/garda-helicopter-scrambled-for-school-prank-that-went-too-far-3112771.html

couldn't help laughing at "The garda helicopter and squad cars -- one of which crashed - followed in pursuit"

Truley · 20-05-2012 10:53AM

When we were in School it was known as 'muck up day' - the last real day of school before the Leaving Cert started. It was always very innocent stuff, mostly messing with silly string and water balloons outside the school building.

These incidents take it way to far though and I don't think it should be tolerated, teachers or students are not fair game to be abused or assaulted in the name of a bit of 'craic.' The St. Mary's story is especially horrific.

Kurtosis · 20-05-2012 10:58AM

murphm45 wrote: »

Based on the report in the independent it looks to be a bit more serious then was originally portryed!

Just to say though that while the article does suggest this was a seperate event to the one which lead to the expulsions but i'd be surprised if they weren't in some way linked.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/garda-helicopter-scrambled-for-school-prank-that-went-too-far-3112771.html

This article only mentions the same "music event". The other incident it discusses is in relation to a different school.

Show Time · 20-05-2012 11:12AM

Truley wrote: »

When we were in School it was known as 'muck up day' - the last real day of school before the Leaving Cert started. It was always very innocent stuff, mostly messing with silly string and water balloons outside the school building.

These incidents take it way to far though and I don't think it should be tolerated, teachers or students are not fair game to be abused or assaulted in the name of a bit of 'craic.' The St. Mary's story is especially horrific.

Back when i was in school it was a case of burn your school tie on the gate when you finished up.

The lads have got a very important life lesson before they even left the school which is don't act the maggot as mummy and daddy won't always be able to throw money at every problem to make it go away.

GLaDOS · 20-05-2012 11:14AM

murphm45 wrote: »

Based on the report in the independent it looks to be a bit more serious then was originally portryed!

Just to say though that while the article does suggest this was a seperate event to the one which lead to the expulsions but i'd be surprised if they weren't in some way linked.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/garda-helicopter-scrambled-for-school-prank-that-went-too-far-3112771.html

Why? There's nothing to suggest they were linked at all.

murphm45 · 20-05-2012 11:33AM

penguin88 wrote: »

This article only mentions the same "music event". The other incident it discusses is in relation to a different school.

Sorry my mistake, talking about prestigious schools in the same area led to me to connect them.

ScienceNerd wrote: »

Why? There's nothing to suggest they were linked at all.

See above, sorry i misread the article

Either way rathgar does come out smelling of roses from these "revelations". Although as someone mentioned earlier this is happening up and down the country, the areas "reputation" is the only reason these incidents are in the paper.

And people say teachers have it easy!

spurious · 20-05-2012 11:52AM

Teachers are assaulted every week of the year in Irish schools, by students and by parents. I know of one teacher who was stabbed in a Dublin school.

If it takes some posh louts 'larking about' to make people notice this, so be it.

vamos! · 20-05-2012 06:55PM

spurious wrote: »

Teachers are assaulted every week of the year in Irish schools, by students and by parents. I know of one teacher who was stabbed in a Dublin school.

If it takes some posh louts 'larking about' to make people notice this, so be it.

Stabbed:eek:??? Wow I never heard any mention of that. Do you reckon incidents are swept under the carpet lest they get the school a bad reputation? That is shocking.

Leaving Cert term ends early after dance incident

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