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Be careful... This is a man....

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  • #32
    The King of Moo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭The King of Moo


    Kev_2012 wrote: »
    Would it bother you if you started meeting a transgender person and a year down the line she/he told you that they were born a different sex?

    *This is only a question so PC brigade - relax*

    No. Obviously it would take a little getting used to, but they'd still be the same person.


  • #33
    dm09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 292 ✭✭dm09


    Kev_2012 wrote: »
    Would it bother you if you started meeting a transgender person and a year down the line she/he told you that they were born a different sex?

    *This is only a question so PC brigade - relax*

    Happened to poor Roy Cropper in Cornation Street, although that Hayley is unreal so ya could forgive him for looking the other way!


  • #34
    Duckjob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,857 ✭✭✭Duckjob


    fred funk }{ wrote: »
    Looks very masculine to me.

    IMO she actually looks very well in side face profile, which is where the game is often given away by a manly jawline.


  • #35
    Fr_Dougal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,167 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    Biggins wrote: »
    If the person HAD a sex change - they are not a man....

    Title wrong and frankly why should one be careful now of a WOMAN!

    OP exposes their true feelings about such people?

    A transgender person doesn't need a 'sex change' to define their gender, the operation is merely a physical thing. They can still be female/male even if they have the wrong bits and bobs.


  • #36
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,554 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    so... was michael jackson a white man?


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  • #37
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    A transgender person doesn't need a 'sex change' to define their gender, the operation is merely a physical thing. They can still be female/male even if they have the wrong bits and bobs.

    True.


  • #38
    Crooked Jack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,679 ✭✭✭Crooked Jack


    I think people are taking the OP a little too seriously. He was obviously being lighthearted. Some people seem to be just looking out for stuff to be offended by.

    In regards yer wan, fair play to her, she looks great and I'd probably give her a dose myself. I've no issue with the transgender thing (particularly when done so well) but isnt transgender a more accurate description than woman, a sort of third sex rather than lump it in with one or the other (I believe they already do this in Australia http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/travel/news-and-trends/travel-news/australians-have-third-option-for-gender-on-passports/article2167802/ ) I mean hormones and surgery are fine but isnt your sex really a chromosomal thing, xx xy and all that jazz.
    Plus life experience living as a woman is one thing but unless you've come through some of the most important times of that eg, puberty, surely you're missing out on something.


  • #39
    Kev_2012
    Closed Accounts Posts: 976 ✭✭✭Kev_2012


    The King of Moo wrote: »
    No. Obviously it would take a little getting used to, but they'd still be the same person.

    Just in case you are wondering, I put in she/he, not to insult people, but because I was talking about male to female and vice versa transgender people.

    I'm sorry I probably seem like a right c*nt, but I wouldn't be able to have relations with a transgender person.


  • #40
    Gummy Panda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,919 ✭✭✭✭Gummy Panda


    OP I thank you for your warning.

    Even she probably won't touch me with a barge pole, you have saved me from the humiliation of riding a transgender :rolleyes:


  • #41
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,236 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    The problem crookedjack is that there are trans people living amongst us all. Indeed only last week I met a trans guy in an all girls school in a town near where the OP lives. They are human beings not freakshows. I do take Transphobia seriously when trans friends of mine tell me that their experiences where trans people are constantly harassed and abused in Ireland.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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  • #42
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 668 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Anyone else think she is trolling everyone with her name....
    Jenna Talackova...JennataLackova....Genital Lackofa....lack of balls!!


  • #43
    DubArk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 831 ✭✭✭DubArk


    matt-dublin wrote: »
    Transgender Miss Universe contestant takes to the stage for bikini and evening gown rounds at pageant

    Jenna Talackova, 23 (pictured), was among 62 other women competing for the coveted crown tonight in Toronto. Miss Talackova, from Vancouver, who was born a man but underwent sex-change surgery four years ago, took part in swimwear and evening gown rounds.

    Full Story:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2146196/Jenna-Talackova-Transgender-Miss-Universe-Canada-Contestant-takes-pageant.html

    WTF is the world coming to

    Be careful... This is a man.... ??
    You and the dailymail are well matched......... two more Knobs that need to go!!


  • #44
    Nothingbetter2d
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,037 ✭✭✭Nothingbetter2d


    fred funk }{ wrote: »
    Looks very masculine to me.

    check out that Adam's Apple


  • #45
    danniemcq
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,163 ✭✭✭✭danniemcq


    Pherekydes wrote: »
    Still shorter than Maria Sharapova.

    And manly? Must be a new definition.

    really?

    huh nah i was just going on the pics on the site, towering over the other contestants and there is something not quite off but different.

    Don't get me wrong if i wasn't told that she transgender i would not have guessed but if someone asked which one was i think i woulda nailed it got it right


  • #46
    I Heart Internet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭I Heart Internet


    I'm sure they're nice girls.

    OP protest too much me thinks


  • #47
    Jason Teeny Jellyfish
    Posts: 81,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Jason Teeny Jellyfish


    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/05/18/article-2146196-1326C87D000005DC-440_634x397.jpg

    very pretty indeed


  • #48
    Balmed Out
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,710 ✭✭✭Balmed Out


    Kev_2012 wrote: »
    Would it bother you if you started meeting a transgender person and a year down the line she/he told you that they were born a different sex?

    *This is only a question so PC brigade - relax*

    Kind of hard to answer without experiencing it but I reckon id be more annoyed that she'd not told me earlier. Most of us want kids at a certain stage and if you dont want or cant have them id like to know earlier then a year into a relationship.


  • #49
    Kev_2012
    Closed Accounts Posts: 976 ✭✭✭Kev_2012


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFBOQzSk14c


  • #50
    Crooked Jack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,679 ✭✭✭Crooked Jack


    mango salsa wrote: »
    The problem crookedjack is that there are trans people living amongst us all. Indeed only last week I met a trans guy in an all girls school in a town near where the OP lives. They are human beings not freakshows. I do take Transphobia seriously when trans friends of mine tell me that their experiences where trans people are constantly harassed and abused in Ireland.

    That's terrible and should stop, but it's nothing to do with anything I just said.
    My point was, firstly, that the impression I got was that the OP was just being light hearted. If anything what he said pointed to the overall success of her efforts to switch gender as it clearly took him by surprise.
    And secondly, that I just think transgender is a more accurate term than woman, mainly because our sex is determined by our chromosomes.
    At no point did i advocate discrimination, inequality, harassment or abuse.


  • #51
    Shenshen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,453 ✭✭✭Shenshen


    She is very pretty, why shouldn't she take part?


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  • #52
    Mr Freeze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,618 ✭✭✭Mr Freeze


    bluewolf wrote: »
    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/05/18/article-2146196-1326C87D000005DC-440_634x397.jpg

    very pretty indeed

    She doesn't look at all manly to me.

    I'd tap that! More than likely get knocked back by her though. :pac:


  • #53
    noddyone2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 313 ✭✭noddyone2


    Why would you need to be careful? And it should read 'was' a man.


  • #54
    sbsquarepants
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,810 ✭✭✭✭sbsquarepants


    bluewolf wrote: »
    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/05/18/article-2146196-1326C87D000005DC-440_634x397.jpg

    very pretty indeed

    I definitely would!
    Looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, so i'll ride it, eh, like a duck:eek:


  • #55
    Kooli
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭Kooli


    Crooked Jack wrote: »
    That's terrible and should stop, but it's nothing to do with anything I just said.
    My point was, firstly, that the impression I got was that the OP was just being light hearted. If anything what he said pointed to the overall success of her efforts to switch gender as it clearly took him by surprise.
    And secondly, that I just think transgender is a more accurate term than woman, mainly because our sex is determined by our chromosomes.
    At no point did i advocate discrimination, inequality, harassment or abuse.

    I would think that 'male' and 'female' are words that talk about biological sex and chromosone.
    Man and woman are gender. Transgender is not a third category along with man and woman. It is a second category along with cisgender (cisgender being someone who's expression of gender matches their biological sex).

    So I am a cisgender woman. She is a transgender woman. But we're both women.

    And although the intent may have been 'lighthearted', it's always important to call people out on lighthearted 'banter' that can potentially be hurtful, discriminatory, oppressive or contribute to the perpetuation of stereotypes about certain groups i.e. 'be careful' kind of feeds into the stereotype that transgender women are out to deceive and trap men.

    Not that the OP needs to be berated or anything like that. Just nice to highlight that there are a group of people out there who are frequently harassed, abused and dehumanised, and we all should make sure we're not contributing to that. And our views about what the 'accurate terms' are are probably not as important as their views.


  • #56
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,236 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Crooked Jack wrote: »
    That's terrible and should stop, but it's nothing to do with anything I just said.

    At no point did i advocate discrimination, inequality, harassment or abuse.
    Agreed - the attitude of the OP and other posters is very discriminatory and while these attitudes are seen as acceptable and funny then daily harassment of trans people will continue. Transphobia is a disgusting reality. It includes verbal and physical harassment and people self harm and commit suicide as a result of it. It must be challenged as strongly as other forms of discrimination.
    Koolio explained Transgender/Cisgender quite well

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #57
    Kolido
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,903 ✭✭✭✭Kolido


    The King of Moo wrote: »
    No. Obviously it would take a little getting used to, but they'd still be the same person.


    If I was getting into a relationship with a person I would certainly want to know beforehand.
    Call me narrow minded if you most, but I doubt I would even date a women who was born a man.


  • #58
    Links234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,944 ✭✭✭✭Links234


    Oh. This again. :(


  • #59
    Kev_2012
    Closed Accounts Posts: 976 ✭✭✭Kev_2012


    mango salsa wrote: »
    Agreed - the attitude of the OP and other posters is very discriminatory and while these attitudes are seen as acceptable and funny then daily harassment of trans people will continue. Transphobia is a disgusting reality. It includes verbal and physical harassment and people self harm and commit suicide as a result of it. It must be challenged as strongly as other forms of discrimination.
    Koolio explained Transgender/Cisgender quite well

    I totally agree that nobody should be physically or mentally abused, but people are allowed to disagree and voice their opinion on topics such as this.

    I certainly don't abuse anyone. Even in a heated argument I wouldn't insult people because of their physical appearance because I am very against bullying.

    But personally, I do not agree that homosexuality or people changing their gender is right, this is my personal opinion. I don't insult, abuse, discriminate against these people, I just don't agree with it.

    If I get abuse for having a differing opinion then those people are as bad as the homo/transphobes.


  • #60
    Jason Teeny Jellyfish
    Posts: 81,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Jason Teeny Jellyfish


    Kev_2012 wrote: »
    But personally, I do not agree that homosexuality or people changing their gender is right, this is my personal opinion. I don't insult, abuse, discriminate against these people, I just don't agree with it.
    .

    Yeah I don't agree with men. That's my personal opinion. Being male is wrong.


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  • #61
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,554 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    bluewolf wrote: »
    Yeah I don't agree with men. That's my personal opinion. Being male is wrong.

    so long as you dont abuse, insult or discriminate against them.. what's the harm?


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