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Alleged drug dealer allowed to go to euro 2012

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  • #32
    lividduck
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭lividduck


    conorhal wrote: »
    I think that a quater of all cime being comitted by people on bail IS bloody staggering, and those are 2008 figures. I can only assume that figure has gone up since Shatter threw open the prison doors to address cost and resourcing issues.
    Shrug if you like and consider it nothing, but I assure you that the families of the 15 murder victims commited by thugs on bail probably don't.
    More hyperbole,more exaggeration, nobody "threw open the prison doors".
    Sure why let the facts get in the way when you have a chip on your shoulder.
    As for " I can only assume" I take it that is an admission that in the abscence of evidence you are going to just throw out unfounded statements in the hope they will be univerally accepted as fact.


  • #33
    Jesus Shaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,959 ✭✭✭Jesus Shaves


    IrishAm wrote: »
    No, he is a Dublin apparently. Not a Cork lad.

    eh yeah


  • #34
    Gurgle
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    conorhal wrote: »
    Dunne succeeded in staying free on bail for more than seven years, during which he was involved, gardai estimate, in 17 murders."
    Scumbag at the top of the 'known to the gardaì' list spent seven years out on bail?
    I think I see the problem here.

    This guy going to the Euros, how long has he been on bail?


  • #35
    Show Time
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    I hope he has a great time over there.


  • #36
    IrishAm
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    lividduck wrote: »
    More hyperbole,more exaggeration, nobody "threw open the prison doors".
    Sure why let the facts get in the way when you have a chip on your shoulder.
    As for " I can only assume" I take it that is an admission that in the abscence of evidence you are going to just throw out unfounded statements in the hope they will be univerally accepted as fact.

    Eh?
    MINISTER FOR Justice Alan Shatter has unveiled plans for the early release of 1,200 prisoners over the next three years to ease prison overcrowding and begin the reform of the prison system.

    Under the plan, prisoners serving between one year and eight years will be eligible for a community release scheme half way through their sentence.



    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0501/1224315408098.html


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  • #37
    Captain Darling
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    IrishAm wrote: »
    No, he is a Dublin apparently. Not a Cork lad.

    All the fecking same to us mullahs.


  • #38
    IrishAm
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    darokane wrote: »
    eh yeah

    Look up the historical origins of the word Jackeen. Then compare and contrast Dublin with Cork during Lizzies visit.


  • #39
    Jesus Shaves
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    IrishAm wrote: »
    Look up the historical origins of the word Jackeen. Then compare and contrast Dublin with Cork during Lizzies visit.

    eh no


  • #40
    IrishAm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭IrishAm


    darokane wrote: »
    eh no

    Well then stop asking stooopid fucking questions.


  • #41
    Jesus Shaves
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    IrishAm wrote: »
    Well then stop asking stooopid fucking questions.

    What question?;)


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  • #42
    conorhal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,096 ✭✭✭conorhal


    lividduck wrote: »
    More hyperbole,more exaggeration, nobody "threw open the prison doors".
    Sure why let the facts get in the way when you have a chip on your shoulder.
    As for " I can only assume" I take it that is an admission that in the abscence of evidence you are going to just throw out unfounded statements in the hope they will be univerally accepted as fact.

    I only see one person trading in hyperbole here, the fact is that Shatter has authorised the early release of 1,200 prisoners to address over crowding. As for the caviats offered, I have little confidence in the prison services effectively managing this. This is after all the same prison service that stuck the murderer of a Guard with a history for absconding into an open prison.

    I'd like to see your statistics for how well our justice system is functioning if you think everything is hunky dory? You seem a tit tetchy yourself and if my irritation is seems somewhat exagerated to you, it's more then matched your 'nothing to see here' head in the sand approach to a serious issue that you don't seem to think is worthy of examination.


  • #43
    Kolido
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    I don't see a problem if John Terry can go.


  • #44
    gdavis
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    cant believe someone actually believes he will get 10 years minimum,he will spend no more than 2 years in prison if convicted


  • #45
    chocksaway
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 608 ✭✭✭chocksaway


    Ellis Dee wrote: »
    He is alleged to have had them in his house. That has not yet been proved in court. But if you just believe claims/rumours without their being tested in a court of law, I suppose everything is cut and dry for you.



    In the bit I have bolded, I see the beginning of wisdom. One day you may attain enough enlightenment to recognise the importance of the principle of presumption of innocence and acknowledge that everyone deserves a fair trial.:):)

    Not saying he doesnt deserve a fair trial at all. He'll have his day in court and whatever comes out of that is up to the courts. Just think its rediculous for him to be given his passport so he can swan across europe to a football match and have a jolly old time doing so. Thats the main point I'm trying to make.


  • #46
    MagicSean
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    I thought this thread was about the fact that he was given legal aid when he apparently has enough money to splash out on a few weeks in Europe. Legal aid should be for those who need it, not for people who can obviously afford it.


  • #47
    Jaxxy
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    I wish I could go to the Euros.


  • #48
    chocksaway
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    the whole thing just reeks of stupidity.


  • #49
    Turpentine
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    MagicSean wrote: »
    I thought this thread was about the fact that he was given legal aid when he apparently has enough money to splash out on a few weeks in Europe. Legal aid should be for those who need it, not for people who can obviously afford it.

    While that's part of it, I think it's more to do with the fact that he has been given bail for the express reason that he wants to leave the jurisdiction.


  • #50
    MagicSean
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    Turpentine wrote: »
    While that's part of it, I think it's more to do with the fact that he has been given bail for the express reason that he wants to leave the jurisdiction.

    Can't see why that's a big deal. Bail is just an agreement to come to the next court date. It doesn't actually require a person to stay in the country. If he doesn't come back it just means we save the cost of the trial and prison and have one less drug dealer in the country.


  • #51
    lividduck
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    MagicSean wrote: »
    Can't see why that's a big deal. Bail is just an agreement to come to the next court date. It doesn't actually require a person to stay in the country. If he doesn't come back it just means we save the cost of the trial and prison and have one less drug dealer in the country.

    Childish and idiotic post as it assumes that everyone granted bail is guilty.


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  • #52
    IsaacWunder
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    Turpentine wrote: »
    Surely this fella is now a "flight certainty" rather than a "flight risk", the only question is wether or not he bothers to come back.

    And where would he run to? He's facing a pretty serious charge back here, so unless he's got millions stashed away in an bank somewhere, he's going to have to get a job.


  • #53
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    lividduck wrote: »
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    Childish and idiotic post as it assumes that everyone granted bail is guilty.

    No, it assumes everyone who skips bail is guilty


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