Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12 (End of March 2012 onwards)

CL7 · 17-05-2012 06:44PM

G.K. wrote: »

Neither did Pep Guardiola...

Ok good point but Barcelona already had a system in place and knew what they were doing. Who is advising FSG?

Jesus Wept · 17-05-2012 06:44PM

redzerdrog wrote: »

just concentrate on playing football ffs

I'm young and can multi task, keeps me out of the boozer boyband gigs.

redzerdrog · 17-05-2012 06:44PM

Strongbow10 wrote: »

are these lads just professional spoofers or what? Making educated guesses

who is it then Tomkins?

tompkins has closer links to FSG than most

daithijjj · 17-05-2012 06:45PM

I was calling for Rodallega on loan or something in Jan, another striker would have pushed us on a bit, he is a free agent, i havent changed my mind, although i think the relationship with Martinez soured a bit.

grohlisagod · 17-05-2012 06:46PM

daithijjj wrote: »

For the record, there's a man at Norwich id take in a heartbeat over Martinez or Rogers.

I really hope he's interviewed for the post. He commands a level of respect that the other names being mentioned do not, he has European experience as a player and appears to be an excellent motivator.

If someone like Martinez is being looked at Lambert has to be considered.

LuckyLloyd · 17-05-2012 06:46PM

G.K. wrote: »

Moses.

Jeez, match thread meltdowns if he was playing for us!

All the talent but such a terrible decision maker. Would frustrate and delight in equal measure I think.

Leiva · 17-05-2012 06:47PM

Can someone please tell me what the owners think Martinez can deliver next season the Kenny couldn't.

This is just crazy shït.

I told you guys that wanted rid of Kenny to be careful what you wish for.

The Radiator · 17-05-2012 06:47PM

Bye bye everyone. Love you all

17-05-2012 06:48PM

The Radiator wrote: »

Bye bye everyone

Bye bye

G.K. · 17-05-2012 06:48PM

Not playing Carragher?

opr · 17-05-2012 06:48PM

daithijjj wrote: »

The last few weeks ive had 'feelins' in my 'waters' that these boys dont have a clue what they are at.

Its like absolute panic stations within the club, several positions stand unoccupied and not a man on this earth can tell me who these lads are getting advice off.

Everything points towards them being completely clueless. I have been banging this drum since they made such a mess with Comolli. They hired a DOF in a ludicrous fashion only to sack a year later. They hired a manager only to sack him a year later. I keep hearing people talking about them having balls to make these decisions but they're the ones ****ing things up in the first place. No stadium news, not even an update. No manger, No DOF, No CEO, countless other positions left unfilled.

Now they're looking to make a hugely risky appointment with Martinez. We're a mess but they seem to be getting away with blue murder because they garnered such faith with the buyout.

Opr

IvySlayer · 17-05-2012 06:48PM

I think Martinez is a solid choice. He's different from Hodgson

- Good footballing style

- Young, adaptable

- Getting the best out of what he has at his disposal.

However if he was linked with Man Utd I might be panicking a bit :pac:

DDC1990 · 17-05-2012 06:48PM

Martinez....

**** **** Bollocks etc.

I'd put a bet on Steve Clarke being interm manager before in the next 12 months, as we search for our 5th Manager in 23 years.

Strongbow10 · 17-05-2012 06:50PM

Martinez won't get the job lads, sacking Kenny with nobody lined up was a way of flushing out who was interested.

They will probably talk to loads, I think they know they would be lynched if they hired a novice like Martinez to replace Kenny.

It will be a big name, a Klopp or an AVB and they will pay big. And back whoever it is to the hilt with cash

mike65 · 17-05-2012 06:50PM

How our next manager arrived at his formation and why

http://www.zonalmarking.net/2012/05/16/wigan-stay-up-after-a-switch-to-3-4-3/

mike65 · 17-05-2012 06:51PM

Strongbow10 wrote: »

are these lads just professional spoofers or what? Making educated guesses

who is it then Tomkins?

amiable wrote: »

The ineterviews won't take place til next week I'd say.
What are the chances of a new DOF sitiing in on the interviews by then?
Txiki Begiristain perhaps?

There we are Strongbow!

Grayditch · 17-05-2012 06:52PM

Martinez is a big risk. If that's who's coming in, I wish him all the best.

There's always the year AFTER next.

Dr Galen · 17-05-2012 06:56PM

amiable wrote: »

The ineterviews won't take place til next week I'd say.
What are the chances of a new DOF sitiing in on the interviews by then?
Txiki Begiristain perhaps?

If they unveil Bergiristain as DoF and Martinez as manager next week, with Bergiristain having been involved in the selection of the new manager, then I'll actually be relatively happy. It could be a lot worse, as we know better than most, well maybe apart from Villa fans.

It is pretty apparent that Kenny getting a three year deal was never part of the plan. kennys rescue job of the post Hodgson debacle, created a problem. They are now at the point they wanted to at this time last year. clear the decks, and start totally from scratch. We are looking at the definition of a 5 year plan here lads, practically an experiment in football, I can't think of any other time that ere has been such a root and branch clear out of staff in a club. As long as we hang onto Segura and Borrell, then again, I'm going to be happy.

I'd also have Lambert over Martinez, I'd have AvB over them all. Klopp, Loewe, Jose, Pep were never going to be realistic, unless someone at the club pulled a massive white rabbit out of Ian Ayres arse.

Strongbow10 · 17-05-2012 06:59PM

opr wrote: »

Everything points towards them being completely clueless. I have been banging this drum since they made such a mess with Comolli. They hired a DOF in a ludicrous fashion only to sack a year later. They hired a manager only to sack him a year later. I keep hearing people talking about them having balls to make these decisions but they're the ones ****ing things up in the first place. No stadium news, not even an update. No manger, No DOF, No CEO, countless other positions left unfilled.

Now they're looking to make a hugely risky appointment with Martinez. We're a mess but they seem to be getting away with blue murder because they garnered such faith with the buyout.

Opr

I think they are the only owners in world football who are being criticised for not having a DOF in place

Should they hire a new CEO for the sake of it? just to have someone?

They may very well not know their arse from their elbow when it comes to football but on the flip side of that they may just not be comfortable hiring someone who is not the right person.

No harm weighing up your options.

The stadium is a very unique situation, its going to define the future of the club one way or another both short term and long term. Its no surprise they are taking their time. Their are many factors here, devalued currencies in future may make it a cheaper time to build then it is in 1-2 years.

Such an outlay for only 15k more seats is not worth it, but the fact they havent bit the bullet on anfield redevelopment shows us that they must fancy the new stadium option. But only when market conditions dictate its feasible. and thats being sensible.

What I like about them is they don't seem to be pandering to the fans giving them what they want, as that would benefit them in the short term but work against them in the long term.

DDC1990 · 17-05-2012 06:59PM

So with current players, who end up in our 3-4-3 system next year?

Reina
Coates, Skrtel, Agger

Johnson and Enrique wide?
or
Henderson and Downing?

Lucas and Gerrard in the Middle?

Suarez, Carroll, Bellemy up top?

I don't see how this system will work in Liverpool as yet.

He will have to make some serious signings.

daithijjj · 17-05-2012 07:00PM

opr wrote: »

Everything points towards them being completely clueless. I have been banging this drum since they made such a mess with Comolli. They hired a DOF in a ludicrous fashion only to sack a year later. They hired a manager only to sack him a year later. I keep hearing people talking about them having balls to make these decisions but they're the ones ****ing things up in the first place. No stadium news, not even an update. No manger, No DOF, No CEO, countless other positions left unfilled.

Now they're looking to make a hugely risky appointment with Martinez. We're a mess but they seem to be getting away with blue murder because they garnered such faith with the buyout.

Opr

Im not being hasty like. On the scale of panic its only at 2 or 3 out of 10.

Im not even disrespecting these guys like Martinez or Rogers, im only questioning the ability of the owners. And sadly, its on the slide big time. I mean the fact that Martinez is even getting an interview is just a small sign of how these lads are not feeling the pulse of the club or its fans imho.

In a warped way, id actually love to know from Martinez after his talks what was actually said to him.

Jesus Wept · 17-05-2012 07:00PM

Dr Galen wrote: »

unless someone at the club pulled a massive white rabbit out of Ian Ayres arse.

/puts down dinner. :-/

whatawaster · 17-05-2012 07:04PM

Martinez would not be my choice. He is a risk.

But please give over with the doomsday crap. He is an extremely promising manager, with a good footballing philosophy and excellent tactical knowledge.

The same posters would be throwing their toys out of the pram if we were hiring a 40 year old Benitez or a 30 year old Villas-Boas. We can only hope that our new DOF is behind this and has a long-term vision for the club that will be succesful.

I'd be amazed if he is the only candidate though

missingtime · 17-05-2012 07:05PM

Being linked with Martinez is like being linked with Downing all over again.

mike65 · 17-05-2012 07:05PM

DDC1990 wrote: »

So with current players, who end up in our 3-4-3 system next year?

Reina
Coates, Skrtel, Agger

Johnson and Enrique wide?
or
Henderson and Downing?

Lucas and Gerrard in the Middle?

Suarez, Carroll, Bellemy up top?

I don't see how this system will work in Liverpool as yet.

He will have to make some serious signings.

Here's a mad selection without new signings.

Doni
---Coates---Skrtel---Agger
Johnson-Lucas-"Hendo"--Enrique
---Gerrard--Carroll---Suarez

Brendan Rodgers plays 4-3-3 would probably be an easier fit right now.

Strongbow10 · 17-05-2012 07:06PM

daithijjj wrote: »

Im not being hasty like. On the scale of panic its only at 2 or 3 out of 10.

Im not even disrespecting these guys like Martinez or Rogers, im only questioning the ability of the owners. And sadly, its on the slide big time. I mean the fact that Martinez is even getting an interview is just a small sign of how these lads are not feeling the pulse of the club or its fans imho.

In a warped way, id actually love to know from Martinez after his talks what was actually said to him.

the pulse of the fans has been to accept mediocrity for 20+ years.

Kenny getting the job in the first place was tuning into the pulse of the supporters and he didn't cut it this time unfortunately.

As a fan i'm willing to give them a shot at backing their own man how they see fit.

No doubt you want Rafa back?

Theres no harm having an outsider take the reigns, this constant need to relive past glories and feel safe in the knowledge our manager "gets the club" is a load of tosh.

If anything, an outsider free from all of the emotional nonsense who can keep a cool head, is needed.

whatawaster · 17-05-2012 07:06PM

daithijjj wrote: »

I mean the fact that Martinez is even getting an interview is just a small sign of how these lads are not feeling the pulse of the club or its fans imho.

Why would they listen to the fans? We don't need a populist appointment.

daithijjj · 17-05-2012 07:06PM

Strongbow10 wrote: »

I think they are the only owners in world football who are being criticised for not having a DOF in place

Should they hire a new CEO for the sake of it? just to have someone?

They may very well not know their arse from their elbow when it comes to football but on the flip side of that they may just not be comfortable hiring someone who is not the right person.

No harm weighing up your options.

The stadium is a very unique situation, its going to define the future of the club one way or another both short term and long term. Its no surprise they are taking their time. Their are many factors here, devalued currencies in future may make it a cheaper time to build then it is in 1-2 years.

Such an outlay for only 15k more seats is not worth it, but the fact they havent bit the bullet on anfield redevelopment shows us that they must fancy the new stadium option. But only when market conditions dictate its feasible. and thats being sensible.

What I like about them is they don't seem to be pandering to the fans giving them what they want, as that would benefit them in the short term but work against them in the long term.

Its not about arses on seats, its about expanding corporate and expanding facilities that go with it, thats where the dollar is in a new stadium.

As for Anfield expansion, seems to me it would take a man of Ban Ki Moon's stature to untangle the web of bureaucratic bullsh1t and red tape to get that off the ground.

The Radiator · 17-05-2012 07:07PM

DDC1990 wrote: »

So with current players, who end up in our 3-4-3 system next year?

Reina
Coates, Skrtel, Agger

Johnson and Enrique wide?
or
Henderson and Downing?

Lucas and Gerrard in the Middle?

Suarez, Carroll, Bellemy up top?

I don't see how this system will work in Liverpool as yet.

He will have to make some serious signings.

You do realise that Martinez isn't the manager?

Thrill · 17-05-2012 07:09PM

Nick Parrott ‏@NickParrottTV The BBC understands Liverpool are approaching a number of candidates for the vacancy at Anfield when it comes to the Roberto Martinez story.

Nick Parrott

@NickParrottTV

I work for the BBC as a sports journalist on the News Channel. Anything on here are my personal views and not those of the BBC.
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Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12 (End of March 2012 onwards)

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