Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12 (End of March 2012 onwards)

The Chessplayer wrote: »

Well said, this stampede for Martinez is completely brainless.

Not at all. Anyone with two eyes in his head can see that Martinez has the potential to be a world class manager. Not least of all FSG, Randy Lerner and Dave Whelan. Let's examine what they see in him:

- He is a young, bright, intelligent and hard-working manager.
- His philosphy on footall is sound and consistent.
- Tactically, he's up there with the best, having beaten the biggest teams in the league this season and last.
- He sets his teams out to play positive football.
- His media skills are unparallelled and he is very articulate in interviews.

The only two things holding him back right now are 1) the quality of players and 2) pitiful transfer funds available to him. I think he has worked miracles at Wigan and would do well at any big club. IMO of course!

Timmyctc wrote: »

Face it. Liverpool are now, and have been a mid table side for the last 2/3 years inclusive. I don't care what anyone says, Dalglish did a poor job this year. Ideally he would be given time to reshape the team etc (even considering his woeful investments) but in the modern game managers don't get time and instant success is paramount. No shock he got sacked at all.

Spot on.

I really really don't think Martinez will get the job.

I just can't see it to be honest

Strongbow10 wrote: »

Thats all well and good, but SOS would want to realise that they have not been appointed to speak on behalf of every fan like they seem to think they have been.

As a club we have so much baggage. Our past is all well and good but can also be like a concrete block weighing us down.

If I was a world class manager I wouldn't touch the Liverpool job. Theres just too many side shows. Tradition is great but its a f*cking distraction, worrying about being a policitican and kissing the fans arses.

Respecting the past whilst trying to be successful in future. Too many ghosts around the place.

I'd love to see a huge personality come in there, someone who simply refused to acknowledge the glory days, told the fans and media the reality of Liverpool FC 2012. Like it or lump it.

And for him to win in spite of his failure to kiss arse. It is possible.

Pretty ironic when the above post remonstrates what the ideas of the great Bill Shankly were also of back then.

whatawaster wrote: »

The fact that Martinez has never won anything and has never had what Liverpool have come to consider success doesn't mean he never will. That assumption is being and its just f*cking stupid. Valencia took a chance on Benitez 10 years ago. Porto took a chance on AVB. Martinez's managerial experience is greater than both of those when they got their big breaks.

He wouldn't be an appointment akin to Hodgson, because he appears to be a positive, progressive, intelligent manager

The people calling him "a joker" are just idiotic.

He can't be anyone's first choice. He's certainly not mine. But I can see why the owners might appoint him

With Klopp and Pellegrini unlikely, it's AVB for me

Never said that. Let those teams you mentioned take the "gamble" and if it works, then let us look at the likes of Martinez after he has had success at higher level than wigan.

You're own examples of Benitez and AVB surely consolidate my point?

ilovelamp2000 wrote: »

Suarez is next out the door.

Is this Twitter rumours, journalist rumours or just your own thoughts on the matter?

Frankly, I'd be calling bollocks to all three.

Ayre denies Liverpool have shortlisted Martinez

http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/151181.html?CMP=OTC-RSS

Liverpool managing director Ian Ayre has insisted the club are yet to draw up a shortlist of potential successors to Kenny Dalglish as the club's manager.


Wigan manager Roberto Martinez has immediately been installed as the hot favourite for the Anfield post, but Ayre denied the Spaniard was already on the club's shortlist.


"Not at the moment, no," Ayre told Sky Sports, when asked if the club had already identified any candidates for the job. "We come back tomorrow and look for a new appointment, that's when we start on that."

One thing I've liked about this, is that they allowed Kenny to get back home, and be surrounded by those closest to him before pulling the plug. At least it shows a bit of decency, that he didn't have to fly into JLA with a media ****storm in front of him.

They've been ruthless. They cleared out the garbage from the old regime, they brought in someone to steady the ship, when that proved to be working, did the logical thing and kept going, got some silverware out of it, but once it became clear that times have changed, they went postal.

As most have said, this next appointment sets the tone for LFC - in my opinion, it will dictate the clubs standing for the next decade. You would have to imagine the new manager will be given money to spend. Get it wrong, and it's going to be a long wait for LFC fans.

Blatter wrote: »

I don't think he was sacked because he didn't get top 4, it was more to do with the fact that he didn't challenge for it.

The team finished 10 points off the top 4 in 2010/2011 and 22 points off top spot, and that was after having Hodgson in charge for half the season.

This season, despite adding to the squad, the team finished 17 points off the top 4 and 37 points off top spot.

If you're not reaching your targets, you want to see progress towards them at the very least. Does the above sound anything like progress to you? The owners just could not afford to trust Dalglish with anymore significant money to spend.

Your own manager Alex Ferguson (correct?) said of Steve Bruce at Sunderland, that its not simply a point about how much you spend, its about giving time for a team to gel. A team cannot gel quickly when the personell gets such an overhaul. Im not making excuses here but you cannot put teams out where 70% of it has barely played with each other and expect telepathic play.

Football is not baseball, you dont play games several nights a week and get great performance. If these owners do not understand that cup runs will take away from your league play then they havent got a clue about the game of football. For reasons such as this is why Alex Ferguson has put out poor teams full of young lads in cup comps, losing at home to Coventry and Palace in recent years? because there are other prizes you wanted and the squad wont cope. It almost cost City the league and look at what they spent. We beat them over 2 legs in the CC semi but the league form dipped around the time. Now go on 2 cup runs.

It honestly is not excuses for the league position but football people can understand why such a thing would happen. We are talking about people with a hell of alot money, from another part of the world where a majority have no idea about 'soccer', you have to explain the term 'relegation'.

And what money are we talking about?, as said already earlier in this thread, LFC has invested 50 mil in the entire team in 4 years, outright investment. Chelsea have spent 100 mil more than that on players and add on god knows how much on managers. Nothing solid was ever built with haste. Hodgson lost his job because he alienated everyone, even the ones who wanted him to do well and we were nearer relegation than 8th.

Knex. wrote: »

Is this Twitter rumours, journalist rumours or just your own thoughts on the matter?

Frankly, I'd be calling bollocks to all three.

None of the above.

Turtyturd wrote: »

Don't keep us in suspense.:rolleyes:

Suarez is the reason the stadium isn't progressing

ilovelamp2000 wrote: »

Suarez is the reason the stadium isn't progressing

Is he out throwing rocks at the builders?

ilovelamp2000 wrote: »

Suarez is the reason the stadium isn't progressing

Resident ITK is back