Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12 (End of March 2012 onwards)

The Chessplayer · 16-05-2012 08:51PM

daithijjj wrote: »

Martinez? - Why not Steve Bruce or Paul Jewell? Achieved the same.

Well said, this stampede for Martinez is completely brainless. He kept Wigan up 2 years in a row, big deal. I seem to remember them faring a lot better under SB.

Stunned by the Kenny sacking. Utter madness! A sad, sad day for Liverpool.

Just had a look at Charlie Adam's twitter. No mention of KK, just a random tweet as follows:

@Charlie26Adam
Just about to watch @Grantadam31 on sky 168 tonight

... there's loyalty for you. Hope Adam gets sacked too!

djPSB · 16-05-2012 08:54PM

Sad to see the King go in such circumstances, I would have liked to see him get another season to see if he could turn things around but the owners obviously have other plans. My favourite Liverpool manager, not because of his achievements or lack of achievements but because he is Liverpool to the absolute core.

I am sure FSG have a replacement lined up, and that this process all kicked off around the same time Comolli got the door. The next manager is crucial and it is important that the right person is selected and given the necessary time to put their stamp on the squad.

I wouldn't be against Rafa returning, he is a step above the rest of the candidates being mentioned. Lambert, Martinez, and Rogers would be massive risks, if appointed they would need time and patience. They don't have the experience required to deal with managing such a big club with massive expectations.

Martin O' Neill has never managed a team to a top 4 finish in the PL and I don't see any evidence to suggest he could do that with us.

We need a manager who has a reputation across Europe, has previous experience in managing a team at the higher end of a league and has a good previous record in the transfer market.

I don't think many can compete with Rafa on this criteria.

16-05-2012 08:54PM

Remember lads, Kenny D was the manager who was to come in, in the interim to shore things up after Hodgson disaster.I think everyone expected a top name to follow Kenny whenever he went.

So Fenway, over to you. This next appointment will be massive.

Martinez would be a downgrade on Hodgson, or on a par. Nothing more.

Phoenix Park · 16-05-2012 08:56PM

Martinez will be good somewhere in a few years but Pool job is too big too soon i reckon. I really hope we avoid him, Lambert and Rodgers.
Realistic targets for me would be Villas-Boas and Rafa. I honestly can't see Rafa getting it, for all the chatter we read.

You can't read much into these mug markets, but for those interested, money has been coming for AVB all evening, maybe 20% of money placed in the market being placed on him, and he is close now to pipping Martinez as favorite.

16-05-2012 08:57PM

Just to add, surely they have to pay Kenny compo too?

That'll surely affect transfer funds.

Berti Vogts · 16-05-2012 08:58PM

What exactly do people expect Roberto Martinez to do at Wigan? He's like a Formula 1 driver in a sh1t car. Nobody can deny that he's done an excellent job at both Wigan and Swansea. And all the while playing attractive football.

Berti Vogts · 16-05-2012 09:00PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Martinez would be a downgrade on Hodgson, or on a par. Nothing more.

Completely different footballing philosophies. Not even vaguely comparable.

Knex* · 16-05-2012 09:01PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Just to add, surely they have to pay Kenny compo too?

That'll surely affect transfer funds.

True, two years left on his contract.

I'm really hoping all this firing is them showing they mean business and are not afraid to spend money and make changes. If a big name manager isn't brought in, along with some good quality signings, we'll all feel pretty sickened and a little sold out I'd imagine.

We've been saying it for years but, massive summer ahead of us.

16-05-2012 09:01PM

What age is Capello lads?

He's getting on a bit now isn't he?

monkey9 · 16-05-2012 09:01PM

Sad to see the King go. I'm glad though that FSG have made the decision now rather than dragging it on if this was the decision they were going to make. At least they have time now to make the right appoinment!

Blatter · 16-05-2012 09:02PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Just to add, surely they have to pay Kenny compo too?

That'll surely affect transfer funds.

Anyone know roughly what his salary was? He had two years left on his contract, didn't he?

Knex* · 16-05-2012 09:05PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

What age is Capello lads?

He's getting on a bit now isn't he?

I think he's around 64 or 65. Old enough granted, but certainly could do a great job for us over the next few years if that is the route FSG decide to go down. Doubt they will though.

Blatter wrote: »

Anyone know roughly what his salary was? He had two years left on his contract, didn't he?

Seeing as though he started in a temp role and was only given a 3 year contract on the back of that I can't see it being that much. Certainly no more than what Hodgson would of been on, but I could be wrong.

Still annoying that it will be the third severage packet the club has had to hand out in two years. Sickening actually on second thoughts.

Chucky the tree · 16-05-2012 09:05PM

Possibilities wrote: »

What exactly do people expect Roberto Martinez to do at Wigan? He's like a Formula 1 driver in a sh1t car. Nobody can deny that he's done an excellent job at both Wigan and Swansea. And all the while playing attractive football.

Not really. It's more like a mechanic which has had 3 years to work on his **** car but every year he takes it out for a drive everyone notices at first that it's still a **** car but towards the end of his journey is does a few doughnuts to disguise the fact that it's a **** car.

K-9 · 16-05-2012 09:08PM

Knex. wrote: »

It's because he isn't. In 2005 we signed a UEFA Cup and twice La Ligue winning manager in Rafa Benitez.

In 2010 we signed Roy Hodgson, I'm not even gonna bother posting the ****e he won.

Lets not downgrade again by signing a manager whos only won League Two, the third division of English football.

We're Liverpool Football Club, granted not the powerhouse we used to be, but if we can't get the best at least make a ****ing stab at getting the next tier of managers.

This is not an attack on you K-9 btw, I'm not even sure where you personally stand on Martinez being appointed but I started typing a response and got more and more pissed at the thought of Martinez managing our club.

Why would anybody be expecting Martinez to be winning cups with Wigan? McLeish won a cup and still got relegated whereas Martinez achieved his targets in the PL and got Swansea promoted, what more do people expect him to do with limited funds?

I can't see the club going back for Rafa and hopefully we could get an AVB or Deschamps, talk of AVB is encouraging.

Blatter · 16-05-2012 09:09PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

What age is Capello lads?

He's getting on a bit now isn't he?

65, Ferguson is 70.

Realistically you're next manager won't last any longer than 5 years. 0-5 years seems to be the max a manager last in modern day football bar a few exceptions.

You could do a lot worst than Capello for a few seasons.

tibor · 16-05-2012 09:09PM

Knex. wrote: »

I think he's around 64 or 65. Old enough granted, but certainly could do a great job for us over the next few years if that is the route FSG decide to go down. Doubt they will though.

Seeing as though he started in a temp role and was only given a 3 year contract on the back of that I can't see it being that much. Certainly no more than what Hodgson would of been on, but I could be wrong.

Still annoying that it will be the third severage packet the club has had to hand out in two years. Sickening actually on second thoughts.

He was on around £4million with 2 years left.
Payout will probably be in the order of £7-8million.

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/the-rundown/top-30-best-paid-managers-180530845.html

LimGal · 16-05-2012 09:09PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Not really. It's more like a mechanic which has had 3 years to work on his **** car but every year he takes it out for a drive everyone notices at first that it's still a **** car but towards the end of his journey is does a few doughnuts to disguise the fact that it's a **** car.

LOL:D

LuckyLloyd · 16-05-2012 09:10PM

daithijjj wrote: »

Tusky wrote: »

I don't expect instant gratification but I do expect continual progress. There was no progress this season. Our choice of signings were poor, we failed to put a single run of form together and we had a real problem for the entire season in scoring goals which was never rectified. I never felt like things 'clicked' this season for more than a game or two.

So, as I said, I don't expect instant gratification once I feel we are moving in the right direction. For example, when Rafa was manager I felt there was continual progress each season and there was a very clear direction.

You can only define "progress" by what you picked up at the start, a squad barely above the relegation zone is what we were.

I will be the first to say i dont give a monkeys about mickey mouse cups and league position is king, at the same time, Kenny took a team to 2 cup finals in his first and only full season. Kenny is a winner, always was and always will be, he knows better than anyone else what we expect in the league. He is as gutted as much as anyone about the league table. You give another season to shape up and then make a decision.

Ye reap what ye sow, the day LFC expects to harvest success off the back of giving a manager 1 year to get cl football is complete nonsense. Do you want a merry go round managerial seat?. Lets do a Chelsea shall we?, spend 70 mil on managers over 3 or 4 years?

How are you going to define success?, as a fan said to Jack Wilshere the other day after he had a go at someone else, 'you love your kids, when you are an old man what will you show your grand kids? signed and framed league tables of those glorious days you got 3rd in the league?'.

For me, success is more than qualifying for a Cup competition, and its built on the back of sound foundation, not haphazard trigger happy decisions.

This is a ****ing brilliant post.

Knex* · 16-05-2012 09:13PM

K-9 wrote: »

Why would anybody be expecting Martinez to be winning cups with Wigan? McLeish won a cup and still got relegated whereas Martinez achieved his targets in the PL and got Swansea promoted, what more do people expect him to do with limited funds?

I can't see the club going back for Rafa and hopefully we could get an AVB or Deschamps, talk of AVB is encouraging.

I don't expect him to win cups with Wigan and that is exactly the point.

I expect a manager who is about to take the Liverpool job to have previous experience at a high level, to have competed for trophies and to have European experience.

Its what will be expected of the manager when he takes the job and should be the sort of standard we draw up our list from. I'm sick of mid table mediocracy and do not want a manager who has been languishing around the relegation positions for three years now.

I'd take Lambert any day of the week before Martinez and I still would be extremely uneasy to see him get the job.

Agreed on Deschamps and AVB.

Dub13 · 16-05-2012 09:14PM

SoS Statment.

Dear Member

Following todays news, Spirit Of Shankly have released the following statement:

FSG: We need direction

We find ourselves once again experiencing another summer where talk centres around off the pitch decisions instead of footballing matters. The position of manager at Liverpool Football Club is one that deserves huge respect. It deserves all the resources of Liverpool Football Club to be put at the manager's disposal to make the Club as successful as possible. Today, we are once again in a position where this is not happening. At this moment in time, we have no Manager, no Director of Communications, no Director of Football, no Commercial Director and no ownership presence this side of the Atlantic, a situation compounded by the continued failure to appoint a Chief Executive.

There are also ongoing questions around the lack of a stadium solution. Recent decisions at Liverpool Football Club have led to more questions than they have answered. Today's decision does exactly the same. Many supporters will be asking just what exactly is LFC's strategy for the future. We would expect those in charge at LFC to address this situation urgently in a manner befitting of the Club's history and tradition to allow Liverpool Football Club to move forward. We would also expect those charged with moving the Club forward to engage in meaningful dialogue with supporters, something promised to us in those early meetings with Mr Henry and Mr Werner, but which is yet to materialise.

http://www.spiritofshankly.com/news/fsg-we-need-direction

Spirit of Shankly
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djPSB · 16-05-2012 09:17PM

K-9 wrote: »

Why would anybody be expecting Martinez to be winning cups with Wigan? McLeish won a cup and still got relegated whereas Martinez achieved his targets in the PL and got Swansea promoted, what more do people expect him to do with limited funds?

I can't see the club going back for Rafa and hopefully we could get an AVB or Deschamps, talk of AVB is encouraging.

What evidence is there that Martinez could take Liverpool to the Top 4?

Strongbow10 · 16-05-2012 09:17PM

Dub13 wrote: »

SoS Statment.

Dear Member

Following todays news, Spirit Of Shankly have released the following statement:

FSG: We need direction

We find ourselves once again experiencing another summer where talk centres around off the pitch decisions instead of footballing matters. The position of manager at Liverpool Football Club is one that deserves huge respect. It deserves all the resources of Liverpool Football Club to be put at the manager's disposal to make the Club as successful as possible. Today, we are once again in a position where this is not happening. At this moment in time, we have no Manager, no Director of Communications, no Director of Football, no Commercial Director and no ownership presence this side of the Atlantic, a situation compounded by the continued failure to appoint a Chief Executive.

There are also ongoing questions around the lack of a stadium solution. Recent decisions at Liverpool Football Club have led to more questions than they have answered. Today's decision does exactly the same. Many supporters will be asking just what exactly is LFC's strategy for the future. We would expect those in charge at LFC to address this situation urgently in a manner befitting of the Club's history and tradition to allow Liverpool Football Club to move forward. We would also expect those charged with moving the Club forward to engage in meaningful dialogue with supporters, something promised to us in those early meetings with Mr Henry and Mr Werner, but which is yet to materialise.

http://www.spiritofshankly.com/news/fsg-we-need-direction

Spirit of Shankly
Like Spirit of Shankly on Facebook

Follow @spiritofshankly on Twitter

Listen to the Spirit of Shankly Podcast

Thats all well and good, but SOS would want to realise that they have not been appointed to speak on behalf of every fan like they seem to think they have been.

As a club we have so much baggage. Our past is all well and good but can also be like a concrete block weighing us down.

If I was a world class manager I wouldn't touch the Liverpool job. Theres just too many side shows. Tradition is great but its a f*cking distraction, worrying about being a policitican and kissing the fans arses.

Respecting the past whilst trying to be successful in future. Too many ghosts around the place.

I'd love to see a huge personality come in there, someone who simply refused to acknowledge the glory days, told the fans and media the reality of Liverpool FC 2012. Like it or lump it.

And for him to win in spite of his failure to kiss arse. It is possible.

Timmyctc · 16-05-2012 09:18PM

Face it. Liverpool are now, and have been a mid table side for the last 2/3 years inclusive. I don't care what anyone says, Dalglish did a poor job this year. Ideally he would be given time to reshape the team etc (even considering his woeful investments) but in the modern game managers don't get time and instant success is paramount. No shock he got sacked at all.

Would be lucky to get top international managers such as Capello etc. now. AVB is a good shout as he needs to redeem his name. A lowly Liverpool is the perfect place to do that.

Blatter · 16-05-2012 09:18PM

daithijjj wrote: »

You can only define "progress" by what you picked up at the start, a squad barely above the relegation zone is what we were.

I will be the first to say i dont give a monkeys about mickey mouse cups and league position is king, at the same time, Kenny took a team to 2 cup finals in his first and only full season. Kenny is a winner, always was and always will be, he knows better than anyone else what we expect in the league. He is as gutted as much as anyone about the league table. You give another season to shape up and then make a decision.

Ye reap what ye sow, the day LFC expects to harvest success off the back of giving a manager 1 year to get cl football is complete nonsense. Do you want a merry go round managerial seat?. Lets do a Chelsea shall we?, spend 70 mil on managers over 3 or 4 years?

How are you going to define success?, as a fan said to Jack Wilshere the other day after he had a go at someone else, 'you love your kids, when you are an old man what will you show your grand kids? signed and framed league tables of those glorious days you got 3rd in the league?'.

For me, success is more than qualifying for a Cup competition, and its built on the back of sound foundation, not haphazard trigger happy decisions.

I don't think he was sacked because he didn't get top 4, it was more to do with the fact that he didn't challenge for it.

The team finished 10 points off the top 4 in 2010/2011 and 22 points off top spot, and that was after having Hodgson in charge for half the season.

This season, despite adding to the squad, the team finished 17 points off the top 4 and 37 points off top spot.

If you're not reaching your targets, you want to see progress towards them at the very least. Does the above sound anything like progress to you? The owners just could not afford to trust Dalglish with anymore significant money to spend.

Turtyturd · 16-05-2012 09:21PM

Strongbow10 wrote: »

Thats all well and good, but SOS would want to realise that they have not been appointed to speak on behalf of every fan like they seem to think they have been.

I still reckon it sums up a lot of fans feelings, if they sort this out and things progress forward I will give them credit, but as things stand now the club is in a mess and next season will be a repeat or worse of this one.

Fowler87 · 16-05-2012 09:22PM

Well at least he'll leave his legacy behind him with a trophy up this season on his old foe down the road.

As others have said, Kenny is a winner. Therefore the only managers brought in should be of the calibre of Klopp, Benitez and maybe Villas-Boas.

monkey9 · 16-05-2012 09:23PM

willmunny1990 wrote: »

The Liverpool job will be a hard one for any manager willing to take it on.

The job is a poison chalice at this stage with 3 managers in 2 years, so much for pool being a club that prides itself on stability.

A new manager coming in will need money to spend and will also have to work with Kenny's desperate signings. I fear Kenny has set the club back a few years and can't see any other manager been given the time to sort out the utter mess he's left behind.

SlickRic wrote: »

stop talking shíte.

and stop lecturing us on stability.

you, of all people...

Sure, he's been slagging off Kenny for weeks, then when we get rid of him, "it's so much for stability!" The chap isn't to be taken seriously!

amiable · 16-05-2012 09:24PM

FFS. The one evening I switch off the phone and go play golf and this happens.

I still love Kenny Dalglish and he's still a hero to me.
That will never change

Strongbow10 · 16-05-2012 09:27PM

Fowler87 wrote: »

Well at least he'll leave his legacy behind him with a trophy up this season on his old foe down the road.

As others have said, Kenny is a winner. Therefore the only managers brought in should be of the calibre of Klopp, Benitez and maybe Villas-Boas.

Kenny Dalglish was a winner in the 1980's and had success at Blackburn with the bankrolling of Jack Walker. Blackburn spent a kings ransom.

He was a winner back in the day, so was George Graham.

Stop living in the past, put your love for the man himself to one side and judge him as a manager.

K-9 · 16-05-2012 09:31PM

djPSB wrote: »

What evidence is there that Martinez could take Liverpool to the Top 4?

Shrewd management of limited funds and achieved his targets.

Hopefully we'll get somebody like AVB and we'll have big funds to entice him with because I think Carroll and Downing in particular might struggle under him.

Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12 (End of March 2012 onwards)

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