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"Abject failure" of secularism

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  • #32
    Galvasean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    GaryBrophy wrote: »
    When will these people learn that if you want someone to join your religion you are going to have to come up with some evidence to support it.

    Considering the letter seems aimed at Catholics who didn't exactly make a decision based on evidence to join the religion they are in now, it probably stands to reason that they won't be looking for evidence when converting to a new one.


  • #33
    nozzferrahhtoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,363 ✭✭✭nozzferrahhtoo


    Isn't that the guy who thinks that you can call one person a "group" and then claim to be speaking on behalf of a "group"? I Thought he and his group's website (that is, his own blog that only he ever wrote on and probably he only read) disappeared from Ireland ages ago?

    Or am I mixing him up with another Radical Muslim with a blog in Ireland?


  • #34
    Daftendirekt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭Daftendirekt


    I don't think Ireland has much to fear from another religious takeover, least of all an Islamic one.

    Maybe I'm being overly optimistic, but I don't think Irish people, on the whole, are all that religious any more. We do undeniably have a 'culturally Catholic' thing going on, but that's probably in large part down to the RCC's control over our schools.

    A few things I think are likely to happen over the next couple of decades:

    1. Our education system will become more secular. As this happens, the link between Irishness and Catholicism will fade, though I'd expect this to take a while.

    2. Fewer non-Catholics will identify as Catholic, though many will probably hold on to a more vague form of spirituality.

    3. The RCC won't disappear entirely, though it will shrink significantly and those who remain with it will be a lot more hard-line.

    4. It's quite possible we'll see other more evangelical Christian groups spring up here and there, though I'd be surprised if they gained any major influence.

    5. Any attempt to introduce Islam on a mass scale will fail hilariously (not that I think we're likely to see such an attempt). We're slowly moving towards modernity and liberalism and the idea that we'd could suddenly do a U-turn on that and go back to an even more oppressive form of theocracy is laughable. Also, no breakfast rolls or piss-ups - ha.

    Pure guesswork obviously, but if we could get our economy sorted out, I'd be fairly optimistic about this country's future


  • #35
    ShooterSF
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,824 ✭✭✭ShooterSF


    I might convert come November for a month. It seems Mohammad's one real power is to make an Irish man grow proper facial hair!


  • #36
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    Also, anyone else thinking of Four Lions?


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  • #37
    recedite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,989 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    Nodin wrote: »
    For todays attention-whore, christianity doesn't have the wallop it used to. 'Ye will Burn In Eternal Fire' might get a laugh, but not much else.
    Yep....here's Barry, who thinks the imported Islamists aren't militant enough
    images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTmuQrPEdAUVG3WeWgVwMUw4eZBUNpuJeiyEE0QVHZ5ismn3VebdA


    And here's Jihad Jane who sadly had to leave us.


  • #38
    mambo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 697 ✭✭✭mambo


    A reply in today's paper:
    Liam Egan (Letters, May 11) cites "the moral vacuum created by aggressive atheism" as a reason why Ireland should "give Islam a chance".

    Perhaps Mr Egan can enlighten the poor amoral atheists of Ireland as to the punishment in Islam for apostasy.

    Gary J Byrne
    IFSC, Dublin 1

    http://www.independent.ie/opinion/letters/islam-and-ireland-3107930.html


  • #39
    Galvasean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    55 seconds in:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQzuFrMRA3M


    Look at him squirm! :pac:


  • #40
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    recedite wrote: »
    Yep....here's Barry, who thinks the imported Islamists aren't militant enough


    And here's Jihad Jane who sadly had to leave us.

    Yes, it's touching to see that Jihad has a place for mentally ill alcoholics amongst its ranks. It's truly a broad mosque.


  • #41
    vibe666
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭vibe666


    so, things on the todo list to bring islam to the irish people.
    1. convince 4 million odd people to give up drink
    2. convince 4 million odd people to give up pork/rashers/pudding products
    3. convince 4 million odd people islam is a religion of love
    4. kill them if they try to leave
    shouldn't be too difficult. after all, there's already beef bacon so we're half way there! :D


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  • #42
    Banbh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭Banbh


    Also,
    5. convince 2 million odd people to walk behind the other 2
    6. convince 2 million odd people that they can't go out
    7. convince 2 million odd people that they may only wear a tent
    8. convince 2 million odd people that they are lower than beasts


  • #43
    vibe666
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭vibe666


    i almost forgot. :)

    9. convince 2 million odd people that they can't drive.


  • #44
    Galvasean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    Banbh wrote: »
    Also,
    5. convince 2 million odd people to walk behind the other 2
    6. convince 2 million odd people that they can't go out
    7. convince 2 million odd people that they may only wear a tent
    8. convince 2 million odd people that they are lower than beasts
    vibe666 wrote: »
    i almost forgot. :)

    9. convince 2 million odd people that they can't drive.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaoM9_FnmvE


  • #45
    legspin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,018 ✭✭✭legspin


    Banbh wrote: »
    Also,
    5. convince 2 million odd people to walk behind the other 2
    6. convince 2 million odd people that they can't go out
    7. convince 2 million odd people that they may only wear a tent
    8. convince 2 million odd people that they are lower than beasts
    [perv]
    I have no problem walking two paces behind any woman
    [/perv]


  • #46
    Coriolanus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,879 ✭✭✭Coriolanus


    MrPudding wrote: »
    What a silly question... When will they learn they will have to come up with evidence to support their religion before people join it? Are you drunk? :D If you want people from the A & A board of boards.ie, or Richard Dawkins, or Chrisopher Hitchens PBUH ;), or anyone that requires an ounce of rationality before they do something then yes, you are correct. But the simple fact that the vast majority of people living on this planet claim to be part of a religion, coupled with the fact that there does not appear to be any rational evidence that any religion is correct would seem to indicate they are not going to have to come up with any evidence to get people to join their religion.

    MrP
    I know you said it in jest, but that is one of the most profoundly depressing statements I've read in a while. :/


  • #47
    TwoShedsJackson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,438 ✭✭✭TwoShedsJackson


    On the upside women wouldn't be allowed to drive, surely that has to be worth at least considering giving up pork and alcohol?


  • #48
    Banbh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭Banbh


    And sex.


  • #49
    Jazlynn Substantial Connoisseur
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    TwoShedsJackson wrote: »
    On the upside women wouldn't be allowed to drive, surely that has to be worth at least considering giving up pork and alcohol?

    :mad:


  • #50
    fatmammycat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,208 ✭✭✭fatmammycat


    TwoShedsJackson wrote: »
    On the upside women wouldn't be allowed to drive, surely that has to be worth at least considering giving up pork and alcohol?

    Are we in after hours?


  • #51
    fatmammycat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,208 ✭✭✭fatmammycat


    nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »
    Isn't that the guy who thinks that you can call one person a "group" and then claim to be speaking on behalf of a "group"? I Thought he and his group's website (that is, his own blog that only he ever wrote on and probably he only read) disappeared from Ireland ages ago?

    Or am I mixing him up with another Radical Muslim with a blog in Ireland?

    No that's him, he's also the 'gotomuslim' the papers like to use as he is always available for a ridiculous soundbite.


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  • #52
    TwoShedsJackson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,438 ✭✭✭TwoShedsJackson


    fatmammycat wrote: »
    Are we in after hours?

    OK I guess I didn't put in the normal smiley because I assumed people would realise that was a joke? :confused:


  • #53
    Jazlynn Substantial Connoisseur
    Posts: 0 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Jazlynn Substantial Connoisseur


    TwoShedsJackson wrote: »
    OK I guess I didn't put in the normal smiley because I assumed people would realise that was a joke? :confused:

    right, and it's not funny, just irritating

    i can sign off all my future posts in here with LOL MEN ARE STUPID if that'll help


  • #54
    Gurgle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,058 ✭✭✭Gurgle


    bluewolf wrote: »
    i can sign off all my future posts in here with LOL MEN ARE STUPID if that'll help
    We do need regular reminding, and not every man is lucky enough to have someone to do that for him.


  • #55
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    bluewolf wrote: »
    LOL MEN ARE STUPID

    Heh heh heh... Yeah. :(


  • #56
    Galvasean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    bluewolf wrote: »
    LOL MEN ARE STUPID

    Not ALL of them.
    I am.


  • #57
    Newaglish
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,734 ✭✭✭Newaglish


    TwoShedsJackson wrote: »
    On the upside women wouldn't be allowed to drive, surely that has to be worth at least considering giving up pork and alcohol?
    bluewolf wrote: »
    :mad:
    fatmammycat wrote: »
    Are we in after hours?

    At the risk of precipitating another spiral into an elevator/coffee black hole, I really don't think this joke is offensive. To me the joke is a play on the stereotype of sexist males rather than one made with a sincere belief misogynistic outlook on life. I thought it was reasonably clever and it made me chuckle.

    People are always making jokes in this forum so I think the After Hours reference is a little bit unfair also. There is a lot of humour in A&A and it's one of the main reasons why I still read it. Jokes are often at the expense of other parties and while some can come a little close to the bone, this isn't one of them. I appreciate that I recently took offense to a joke in ongoing religious scandals which was about the rape of deaf children, which I think is probably not the best place for finding humour. Again, some people may think this makes me a hypocrite, I don't know.

    I don't see how TwoShedsJackson's joke is bad but Gurgle's is OK? Is it because he is making a joke at the expense of his own gender? I think that's a bit of a double standard - surely I could be offended by his post?


  • #58
    Dave!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,856 ✭✭✭✭Dave!


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  • #59
    Jazlynn Substantial Connoisseur
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    It's not offensive, it's irritating
    i can go into ltd and see someone moan their male friend failed their test for doing something stupid but that it was the fault of the woman driver in front of them
    i can go into motors and see everyone going LOL women drivers until the mods finally have to step in
    i can go into AH and hear about how as an irish woman i'm awful and a terrible driver etc etc
    and now i come in here where the humour is generally a bit more intelligent and see the same

    am i offended? no
    do i care enough to fight about this? no
    if i want to post an angry smiley face at someone making a stupid joke i don't see why that has to be taken apart and have me told i'm being unfair and implied i'm overreacting

    now let's move on...


  • #60
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,458 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    bluewolf wrote: »
    now let's move on...
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  • #61
    recedite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,989 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    Banbh wrote: »
    Also,
    7. convince 2 million odd people that they may only wear a tent
    Does it have to be a black tent, or can they choose the colour?
    Just looking for any possible upside to this :)


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