A Golden Dawn in Greece

IrishAm · 14-05-2012 11:06AM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Of course the fact that they see immigrants as 'criminal elements' is beside the point. They are self-appointed vigilantes placing themselves above the law - that in itself is criminal.

Illegal immigrants are criminals are they not?

If all EU member states repatriated illegal immigrants, support for the far right would dramatically fall.

Very few europeans against immigration, but an awful lot are sick and tired of illegal immigration.

Bannasidhe · 14-05-2012 11:17AM

IrishAm wrote: »

Illegal immigrants are criminals are they not?

If all EU member states repatriated illegal immigrants, support for the far right would dramatically fall.

Very few europeans against immigration, but an awful lot are sick and tired of illegal immigration.

It is not the job of members of any political movement to enforce the law - it is the job of the elected government and civil authorities.

Plus, the GD want all non-Greeks out of Greece - legal or illegal. Would they be happy if every country followed that path - how would Greece cope with millions of Greeks repatriated from countries like Australia and the U.S.?

BTW- the Jews of Europe were not illegal immigrants, nor were gypsies, nor homosexuals, nor pacifists - but the Far Right took it upon itself to attempt to exterminate as many of them as possible.

This is nothing but hate-mongering and blaming easy targets for Greece's troubles, how conveniently the GD ignore the problems caused by massive tax evasion by Greeks.

Nodin · 14-05-2012 12:51PM

books4sale wrote: »

...Adolf?

Adolfous.

Technocentral · 14-05-2012 01:13PM

Invader_Zimmy wrote: »

As I said, immigration is causing a great burden to the Greek economy. http://www.economist.com/node/16847278 Here is more information how illegal immigration is destabilising Greece.

Widespread corruption and tax evasion, greed at every level of society plus a disastrous public sector destroyed Greece, its the Greek peoples fault, neo nazis like you can't blame the immigrants on this one. :mad:

jank · 14-05-2012 02:33PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

It is not the job of members of any political movement to enforce the law - it is the job of the elected government and civil authorities.

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This is true, however, if the state actually enforces these laws 100% of the time the bleeding heart liberals and PC types then jump on the bandwagon about unfair treatment and singling out of vulnerable minorities/aslyum seekers. There will always be organisation primarily on the left ready and waiting to jump to someones aid for the apparent greater cause of humanity regardless to whatever laws were broken originally. So the above is not really a true reflection of the reality. It is not only the right that tries to "enforce" the law of the land.

fianna saor · 14-05-2012 02:53PM

books4sale wrote: »

...Adolf?

adolf who? ... is he from greece..... is he part of golden dawn perhaps?

Gee Bag · 14-05-2012 09:37PM

jank wrote: »

This is true, however, if the state actually enforces these laws 100% of the time the bleeding heart liberals and PC types then jump on the bandwagon about unfair treatment and singling out of vulnerable minorities/aslyum seekers. There will always be organisation primarily on the left ready and waiting to jump to someones aid for the apparent greater cause of humanity regardless to whatever laws were broken originally. So the above is not really a true reflection of the reality. It is not only the right that tries to "enforce" the law of the land.

There is an enormous differnence between an asylum seeker and an economic migrant. The former is someone forced to flee their home country because of persecution, the latter leaves because they are looking for work and a better life.....kind of like all the Irish who went to America, Britain, Austrailia, etc, etc

jank · 15-05-2012 01:15AM

Gee Bag wrote: »

There is an enormous differnence between an asylum seeker and an economic migrant. The former is someone forced to flee their home country because of persecution, the latter leaves because they are looking for work and a better life.....kind of like all the Irish who went to America, Britain, Austrailia, etc, etc

I totally agree, however whatever label one would put on someone the laws of the land must be upheld. There has been plenty of cases here in Ireland where people claim to be asylum seekers yet evidence doesn't back this up. When this transpires and deportation is ordered you get left wing PC groups backing them to hilt regardless of evidence or laws. I think this is what irks a lot of people. We all by and large follow the laws of the state, why should a certain group be any different.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/asylum-seeker-pamela-izevbekhai-deported-to-nigeria-2825213.html

fianna saor · 15-05-2012 03:31PM

jank wrote: »

I totally agree, however whatever label one would put on someone the laws of the land must be upheld. There has been plenty of cases here in Ireland where people claim to be asylum seekers yet evidence doesn't back this up. When this transpires and deportation is ordered you get left wing PC groups backing them to hilt regardless of evidence or laws. I think this is what irks a lot of people. We all by and large follow the laws of the state, why should a certain group be any different.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/asylum-seeker-pamela-izevbekhai-deported-to-nigeria-2825213.html

they're different because of political correctness gone mad, people are afraid to speak out for fear of being labelled a racist or whatever, and thats even when it comes to the law ive seen many circumstances where a foreign national has been shown lenience simply just because he is a foreign national, that cant be right in anybodies book.

Bannasidhe · 15-05-2012 03:37PM

fianna saor wrote: »

they're different because of political correctness gone mad, people are afraid to speak out for fear of being labelled a racist or whatever, and thats even when it comes to the law ive seen many circumstances where a foreign national has been shown lenience simply just because he is a foreign national, that cant be right in anybodies book.

I always find it strange that the 'PC' brigade are blamed when people don't agree with what fascists have to say - yet, it is that same PC Brigade who argue for freedom of speech which allows those same fascists to spew their bile across forums such as this.

Those same fascists who seek to deny so many freedoms - including the freedom to not be beaten up because of one's religion, skin colour or ethnic origin.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 15-05-2012 03:40PM

slightly off topic but the "pc brigade" most certainly does not defend freedom of speech

"hate speech" ringing a bell?

Bullrush · 15-05-2012 03:47PM

Sorry state of affairs. All sensible people should take this as a warning of how bad things are becoming in Greece.

fianna saor · 15-05-2012 03:52PM

Bullrush wrote: »

Sorry state of affairs. All sensible people should take this as a warning of how bad things are becoming in Greece.

why because their politics differ from yours?

Bannasidhe · 15-05-2012 03:53PM

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

slightly off topic but the "pc brigade" most certainly does not defend freedom of speech

"hate speech" ringing a bell?

Yes- I have read quite a bit of thinly veiled hate speech on this here thread. Yet, no-one has censored it. Funny that.

golden lane · 15-05-2012 03:57PM

sad for the innocent hardworking people in greece........why they couldn't see it coming, is beyond me.......

the eu failed experiment will get a bad place in history..........

social reform, became the social gravy train.....political correctness became a prison for ordinary people.....

did web not learn as kids.....when we wantede to play a game, and too many rules were made.....the result was chaos........

laoch na mona · 15-05-2012 04:43PM

im shocked how people failed to learn from hitler, mussolini, stalin or any other dictator

FullRetard · 15-05-2012 04:44PM

and here was me thinking Golden Dawn was Greece's hooligan firm.You learn something new everyday.

Whats greek for 'muslim rayguns'?

Nodin · 15-05-2012 04:46PM

golden lane wrote: »

.....political correctness became a prison for ordinary people.....

........

...and that refers specically to what..?

Bannasidhe · 15-05-2012 05:02PM

Nodin wrote: »

...and that refers specically to what..?

Perhaps it sounds better in Greek - checks with Greek friends - nope. It's a meaningless soundbite in many languages.

golden lane · 15-05-2012 05:05PM

Nodin wrote: »

...and that refers specically to what..?

all political correctness.........lack of freedom...

Nodin · 15-05-2012 05:22PM

golden lane wrote: »

all political correctness.........lack of freedom...

Thats more vague waffle, in an answer to a question about vague waffle.

What precisely are you referring to by

.....political correctness became a prison for ordinary people

A few examples, in relation to Greece preferably please.

Denerick · 15-05-2012 06:24PM

golden lane wrote: »

all political correctness.........lack of freedom...

You do realise that political correctness is merely a form of peer pressure? It came about because people understood that segregation, death camps and discrimination are pretty odious things. Most modern nation states still permit a great deal of freedom for fringe fanatics to spout their elemental hatred and fury, which is why neo nazi groups are allowed to stand in elections. The fact that political correctness is enforced by individuals and not the state is a sign of mass public enlightenment. There has always been neanderthals lurking in our mist, threatening everything that the democratic republic stands for. And they will always be there. But bear in mind that history, and your grandchildren, will hold you beneath contempt.

Invader_Zimmy · 15-05-2012 09:06PM

Any violence used is just proactive self defense from their part to be honest, you would understand this if you read the news properly.

Bannasidhe · 15-05-2012 09:09PM

Invader_Zimmy wrote: »

Any violence used is just proactive self defense from their part to be honest, you would understand this if you read the news properly.

What? - are you claiming that they are beating people up before those people beat them up?

Invader_Zimmy · 15-05-2012 09:11PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

What? - are you claiming that they are beating people up before those people beat them up?

Precisely, no innocent has anything to fear.

Bannasidhe · 15-05-2012 09:13PM

Invader_Zimmy wrote: »

Precisely, no innocent has anything to fear.

Do you really believe that?

HamletOrHecuba · 15-05-2012 09:14PM

Invader_Zimmy wrote: »

Precisely, no innocent has anything to fear.

Take it you dont know Greece?

Im not a lefty but these people are dangerous (as are the anarchists in Greece in fairness).

Nodin · 15-05-2012 09:25PM

Invader_Zimmy wrote: »

Any violence used is just proactive self defense from their part to be honest, you would understand this if you read the news properly.

Fascinating. Well you might show us where in the news we've missed this acts of "proactive self defense".

HamletOrHecuba · 15-05-2012 09:29PM

Nodin wrote: »

Fascinating. Well you might show us where in the news we've missed this acts of "proactive self defense".

Of course Golden Dawn have nothing on the murderers of Sinn Fein.

Bannasidhe · 15-05-2012 09:30PM

HamletOrHecuba wrote: »

Of course Golden Dawn have nothing on the murderers of Sinn Fein.

What does SF have to do with the rise of a fascist party in Greece?

A Golden Dawn in Greece

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