Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12 (End of March 2012 onwards)

mada999 · 13-05-2012 11:21PM

you know, this season has been a real killer... I really thought we had a chance of getting into the top four at the start of the season. It seams now that no team is afraid of playing us anymore and it seems that some of the players do not have the desire and hunger to get the job done. The signings made turned out to be poor enough.

I really hope we keep the spine of the team and scout out some decent players. We aren't gonna sign superstars so we need to buy smart. I think as usual we need to sign pacy players on the wings, a central midfielder and a good striker.

We have some players who I'm convinced will come good.. these are Henderson, Shelvey and Carroll. Downing hasn't got the heart or confidence to do it, Kuyt and bellers are getting too old and maxi is gone.

My position on Kenny is that he should stay for next season as there is not too much managerial talent available out there at the moment. I will say this, I think Kenny has been embarrassing sometimes in interviews this season and he needs to cop on. We need no distractions next season and make some shrewd signings to get us back on track.

Let's face it at the moment our aim should be to get back into the top six but we all need a dose of reality - between not improving the stadium and not attracting the top European talent we are slipping more and more each season and it sucks.

mike65 · 13-05-2012 11:24PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

The people not calling for the head of Dalgilsh did they watch Liverpool for the last 5 months or so of the season?!

and so on.

Grayditch · 13-05-2012 11:27PM

Talk of Martinez and Lambert.

My god.

Grayditch · 13-05-2012 11:31PM

On a brighter note, it was United's draw at Anfield that messed them up, I feel...

willowthewisp · 13-05-2012 11:31PM

Is that press conference still on tomorrow?

spockety · 13-05-2012 11:33PM

I think anyone embarrassed by Kennys interviews really needs to ask themselves why it matters a toss.

Mr Alan · 13-05-2012 11:34PM

mike65 wrote: »

and so on.

I know you don't seem to realise it Mike, but you're actually proving the point I'm making.

Answer me this; should Martinez have been sacked for the opening 7 months of the season when Wigan were underperforming hugely & were the worst team in the league by some considerable distance?

amiable · 13-05-2012 11:35PM

I spotted Houllier on the pitch at the Etihad while the city players celebrated after the game.

K-9 · 13-05-2012 11:36PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

Yea. Wigan are in the PL nearly 10 years at this stage.

What. Remember net spend? Well Martinez has dealt with that and kept them in the PL, their bread and butter. 7 wins in 9 when it really mattered?

People write off the likes of Rodgers and point to Coyle, one season wonders, but then scoff at Martinez, not a one season wonder. Got to love a football fans logic.

I don't think Martinez is the right option yet but he has achieved his targets under immense pressure. Keeping Wigan up is the minimum target, for Liverpool it is a top 4 challenge, Roy and Kenny failed in that. Rafa managed it even in last season.

daithijjj · 13-05-2012 11:37PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Nope. Like I said earlier, I can judge Kenny on more than the league table.

Maybe they won't have to because Pardew won't be foolish enough to try and play his best team in all 3 competitions while having a very limited squad.

So Kenny played Henderson on the right because every else said he played there for Sunderland? Lol, he should be sacked tomorrow if that's his line of thinking.

Of course we will be happy, just when we have a decent manager in charge. I didn't want Rafa sacked when he finished 7th.

Maybe we should get Rafa back, nothing quite like the sight of Pennant in the shirt.

Kess73 · 13-05-2012 11:38PM

amiable wrote: »

I spotted Houllier on the pitch at the Etihad while the city players celebrated after the game.

Was it Ged or just some guy who looked like him?

Vanolder · 13-05-2012 11:39PM

I think ( more hope) that Henderson, Shelvey and Carroll are gonna be like New signings next season. They've had their year bedding in as such, with Carroll finally exercising his demons and Henderson the awe of a big money move.

There is no doubting how poor we have been at times, yet we battered many teams but for poor finishing and the woodwork letting us down.

Lucas back, and in form, and if these lads step up to the mantle like I think they are going to I think we won't be far off 4th next season and indeed, if a winger and stiker can be added I think we'll be there.

That's why I think Kenny deserves another year. I've been as frustrated and distraught with the season as anyone, and could do the easy thing and call for a change but I think Kenny deserves to see out what he started but the players have to stand up for him next year.

Mr Alan · 13-05-2012 11:40PM

K-9 wrote: »

What. Remember net spend? Well Martinez has dealt with that and kept them in the PL, their bread and butter. 7 wins in 9 when it really mattered?

People write off the likes of Rodgers and point to Coyle, one season wonders, but then scoff at Martinez, not a one season wonder. Got to love a football fans logic.

I don't think Martinez is the right option yet but he has achieved his targets under immense pressure. Keeping Wigan up is the minimum target, for Liverpool it is a top 4 challenge, Roy and Kenny failed in that. Rafa managed it even in last season.

I'm not writing Martinez off, as I said, I think he's a good manager & seems like a decent bloke. However all I'm saying is if we're changing manager, it should only be for a genuine top class proven replacement. Not taking a punt on someone like Martinez who'll be chased out of the club by his first Christmas if we had a poor start.

amiable · 13-05-2012 11:41PM

Kess73 wrote: »

amiable wrote: »

I spotted Houllier on the pitch at the Etihad while the city players celebrated after the game.

Was it Ged or just some guy who looked like him?

99% certain it was Ged. Have MOTD recorded on Sky Plus. I'll double check

G.K. · 13-05-2012 11:42PM

People shouldn't be talking about Lambert in the same breath as some of the others. He's a manager clearly destined for big things, shown by his tactical nous and excellent scouting.

whatawaster · 13-05-2012 11:43PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

I know you don't seem to realise it Mike, but you're actually proving the point I'm making.

Answer me this; should Martinez have been sacked for the opening 7 months of the season when Wigan were underperforming hugely & were the worst team in the league by some considerable distance?

Except I think they might have the worst squad in the league

For them to be underperforming hugely they would have to have been maybe the 13th/14th best team on paper.

Otherwise they were performing as expected or slightly below expectations.

Very few teams are consistent from start to finish. You could say the better teams might start slowly and peak when it matters. United have certainly been specialists at that. Rafa's Liverpool tended to be a little like that.

Being bottom halfway through the season is not the same thing as being 2nd/3rd, of course it's not. But the expectation and resources at Wigan are lightyears away from Liverpool or United

amiable · 13-05-2012 11:45PM

It was definitely Ged On the pitch at the Etihad. He was standing behind Yaya Toure as he was being interviewed

Mr Alan · 13-05-2012 11:49PM

I don't think Wigan have the worst squad in the league at all. Certainly not the worst starting 11. Paul Jewell kept em up & got em into a cup final & Europe iirc. We could probably attract him if we tried.

I agree with GK, I think Lambert would be a better 'punt', but I don't think we should be taking punts on a young inexperienced managers who won't be granted time or patience.

Jayob10 · 13-05-2012 11:50PM

whatawaster wrote: »

Except I think they might have the worst squad in the league

For them to be underperforming hugely they would have to have been maybe the 13th/14th best team on paper.

Otherwise they were performing as expected or slightly below expectations.

Very few teams are consistent from start to finish. You could say the better teams might start slowly and peak when it matters. United have certainly been specialists at that. Rafa's Liverpool tended to be a little like that.

Being bottom halfway through the season is not the same thing as being 2nd/3rd, of course it's not. But the expectation and resources at Wigan are lightyears away from Liverpool or United

Re: Martinez

As I said before, if you finish well, a sh*te start is all forgotten.

If you finish poorly, a great start is forgotten.

And both may end up on similar points.

Martinez is flavour of the month right now.

whatawaster · 13-05-2012 11:52PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

I don't think Wigan have the worst squad in the league at all. Certainly not the worst starting 11. Paul Jewell kept em up & got em into a cup final & Europe iirc. We could probably attract him if we tried.

I agree with GK, I think Lambert would be a better 'punt', but I don't think we should be taking punts on a young inexperienced managers who won't be granted time or patience.

Jewel had money to spend though. As did Bruce.

By the time Martinez came in, IIRC, they had lost Baines, Palacios, Cattermole, Heskey, Valencia. And they investment has dried up since then

Jayob10 · 13-05-2012 11:53PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

I don't think Wigan have the worst squad in the league at all. Certainly not the worst starting 11. Paul Jewell kept em up & got em into a cup final & Europe iirc. We could probably attract him if we tried.

I agree with GK, I think Lambert would be a better 'punt', but I don't think we should be taking punts on a young inexperienced managers who won't be granted time or patience.

Martinez, Rodgers or Lambert are all shots in the dark, genuine gambles whatever way you look at it.

If Martinez was to take Wigan into the top 10 at least next season then, maybe he is one to look at.

If Lambert can repeat this seasons heroics next season then he may be one to look at.

Its the same as signing players, no more one season wonders.

Taking someone on after they have overachieved is not the way to go.

whatawaster · 13-05-2012 11:54PM

Jayob10 wrote: »

Re: Martinez

As I said before, if you finish well, a sh*te start is all forgotten.

If you finish poorly, a great start is forgotten.

And both may end up on similar points.

Martinez is flavour of the month right now.

Martinez has been flavour of the month at the end of the last three seasons.

Mr Alan · 13-05-2012 11:54PM

Just to clarify are you saying you'd like to move Kenny on & bring Martinez in?

whatawaster wrote: »

Martinez has been flavour of the month at the end of the last three seasons.

By saying this you're admitting that he is unable to get his squad playing to their full potential for the first 7 months of each season. Why is that being overlooked?

Jayob10 · 13-05-2012 11:56PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

Just to clarify ate you saying you'd like to move Kenny on & bring Martinez in?

Read my previous post

K-9 · 13-05-2012 11:58PM

G.K. wrote: »

People shouldn't be talking about Lambert in the same breath as some of the others. He's a manager clearly destined for big things, shown by his tactical nous and excellent scouting.

I'd rate Rodgers higher than Lambert tbh. Rodgers has done an exceptionable job in seeing a project through, with little funds, totally different from Lambert and managers who've done what he done before.

Tbh, it'll take a couple of seasons to see which opinion is right as that is all it is based on atm, opinions. I think Swansea are better placed.

whatawaster · 13-05-2012 11:59PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

Just to clarify ate you saying you'd like to move Kenny on & bring Martinez in?

My preferences would be Pellegrini, Klopp or Deschamps. Emery would have been another, but that ship has sailed. Blanc is another interesting one.

I would not be unhappy with Martinez, though as I said earlier, I have my doubts about him.

My feeling is that I don't want Dalglish spending our money this summer. I hope I'm wrong and if he's kept on, which I think he will be, that he turns things around.

K-9 · 14-05-2012 12:01AM

Mr Alan wrote: »

I don't think Wigan have the worst squad in the league at all. Certainly not the worst starting 11. Paul Jewell kept em up & got em into a cup final & Europe iirc. We could probably attract him if we tried.

I agree with GK, I think Lambert would be a better 'punt', but I don't think we should be taking punts on a young inexperienced managers who won't be granted time or patience.

Net spend Mr. Alan, net spend or does that only matter with Rafa?

firemansam4 · 14-05-2012 12:02AM

Well I'm glad this is the end of a very disappointing league season!
Not sure where I stand on Kenny now, have been very reluctant to join in with the Kenny out brigade, but think there is going to have to have to be some serious improvement shown next year!
Although like many posters have said already there is no point replacing Kenny if there is no decent managers out there to replace him with.

At least watching the Man utd players starting to celebrate winning the league and then the pure disappointment on there faces cheered me up a bit

whatawaster · 14-05-2012 12:03AM

Mr Alan wrote: »

By saying this you're admitting that he is unable to get his squad playing to their full potential for the first 7 months of each season. Why is that being overlooked?

It's not being overlooked. It's the major source of my doubts about him. But you can't deny his teams have bottle.

But he has met his goals every season with Wigan. I was certain they'd be relegated this year without N'Zogbia.

kingshankly · 14-05-2012 12:05AM

Mr Alan wrote: »

I'm not writing Martinez off, as I said, I think he's a good manager & seems like a decent bloke. However all I'm saying is if we're changing manager, it should only be for a genuine top class proven replacement. Not taking a punt on someone like Martinez who'll be chased out of the club by his first Christmas if we had a poor start.

Top class manager why would they be attracted to Liverpool
Yes we're a massive club with a massive fan base but were a mid table premiership side that are a million miles from champions league football.
I for one would be greatfull to Martinez if he took the job as he will other choices

Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12 (End of March 2012 onwards)

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