Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12 (End of March 2012 onwards)

Chucky the tree · 13-05-2012 08:10PM

spockety wrote: »

Think back to why Kenny was given the job after an initial 5 month stint. It's not that long ago. He has shown exactly what he has the ability to do.

I hope Kenny stays at least another season and rams it down the throats of everyone who was pondering after only half a season never mind a full season.

I think daithijj hit the nail on the head, people just don't have the patience any more for football. It's a long term game and no two seasons are the same.

It's amazing how patience for Hodgson was never asked if it is so important.

5starpool · 13-05-2012 08:12PM

Why was Pepe not in the squad for today's game does anyone know? Dropped or injured? Nothing to be resting him for.

spockety · 13-05-2012 08:12PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

It's amazing how patience for Hodgson was never asked if it is so important.

Hodgson's record showed absolutely nothing to suggest that he was the right fit for Liverpool or any team with high level aspirations. He also did little to endear himself to the support, if you remember.

daithijjj · 13-05-2012 08:13PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Come on now, that's a lot of excuses for Kenny. We lack quality cover because Kenny managed the squad poorly and spent even worse. Whos fault is it all of those players are deadweight yet still regular players in our team? Comollis?

Did you expect the club to buy and sell 12 or 13 players since Kenny took over?. The only thing i blame Kenny for this season is selling Meireles on deadline day and not getting a striker in January.

I named 6 or 7 there that are not his signings and we need rid of, add on what he has sold and you get nearly half a squad. I expect him to make moves on bringing in better players than those mentioned, it cant all be done that quick, needs some patience.

If people think one summer spend changes what we needed changing you are off your head.

Turtyturd · 13-05-2012 08:13PM

5starpool wrote: »

Why was Pepe not in the squad for today's game does anyone know? Dropped or injured? Nothing to be resting him for.

Someone earlier said the word going around was he was sick.

Chucky the tree · 13-05-2012 08:14PM

spockety wrote: »

Hodgson's record showed absolutely nothing to suggest that he was the right fit for Liverpool or any team with high level aspirations. He also did little to endear himself to the support, if you remember.

Ah patiene is only needed when you want the current manager to stay on.

5starpool · 13-05-2012 08:15PM

Tony Barrett:

Don't know where the rumours suggesting Martin Skrtel has submitted a transfer request are coming from. He definitely hasn't.

spockety · 13-05-2012 08:16PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Ah patiene is only needed when you want the current manager to stay on.

Not a great response to what I said.

13-05-2012 08:16PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

It's amazing how patience for Hodgson was never asked if it is so important.

Mr Alan · 13-05-2012 08:16PM

Most reliable journo for LFC stuff;

@TonyBarretTimes wrote:

Don't know where the rumours suggesting Martin Skrtel has submitted a transfer request are coming from. He definitely hasn't.

Nuri Sahin · 13-05-2012 08:18PM

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Nuri Sahin · 13-05-2012 08:24PM

5starpool wrote: »

Tony Barrett:

Not surprising. At the very least, he'll be here another season.

shotamoose · 13-05-2012 08:25PM

spockety wrote: »

Hodgson's record showed absolutely nothing to suggest that he was the right fit for Liverpool or any team with high level aspirations. He also did little to endear himself to the support, if you remember.

That's kind of the point isn't it. Kenny has done so much to endear himself to the support, enough to earn the undying affection of any LFC fan really, that most fans find it very hard to envisage sacking the man. That wasn't the case with Hodgson, so it was easier to see his failures.

Personally, I'm shocked at how bad this season has been, and how the things which encouraged me last season to think Kenny was the man for the job - the tactical innovation, the flowing football, the motivation - seem to have gone into reverse this season. So often we have looked predictable or directionless, and so many players look like they think they don't need to try. It's not the lack of huge progress so much as the fact that in some respects we seem to be going backwards that is so alarming.

Morzadec · 13-05-2012 08:25PM

One more piece of bad news to add - today we lost our record as the highest points total for a 2nd place team!

5starpool · 13-05-2012 08:28PM

Shocking stat for the season

Tackles Attempted: Enrique - 69 Lucas - 68 Adam - 62 Skrtel - 57 Hendo - 51 Spearing - 45

Chucky the tree · 13-05-2012 08:28PM

daithijjj wrote: »

Did you expect the club to buy and sell 12 or 13 players since Kenny took over?. The only thing i blame Kenny for this season is selling Meireles on deadline day and not getting a striker in January.

I named 6 or 7 there that are not his signings and we need rid of, add on what he has sold and you get nearly half a squad. I expect him to make moves on bringing in better players than those mentioned, it cant all be done that quick, needs some patience.

If people think one summer spend changes what we needed changing you are off your head.

Not I didn't. However I never expected us to spend £130m either, we could have easily bought 8 or 9 players for that and gotten rid of the dross if we wanted. For £100m I certainly didn't expect average players like adam, Downing and Carroll and players like Henderson who are still miles off being first team.

No said anything about one summer spending sorting our problems, but I honestly didn't think after one summer we'd be even further away from 4th and behind Everton.

spockety wrote: »

Not a great response to what I said.

Not sure what else you expected. It seems 3 months of good football is Kennys saving grace 1 poor season. I agree Kenny was excellent those 3 monhs, but the fact he completely went away from that style of football the following season was criminal. Just highlights how poor he is and how he doesn't seem to have much clue as to how he wants to run things. It seems Kennys saving grace his mainly that he wasn't a complete tit in front of the media like roy, hardly a ringing endorsement for Kenny. At the end of the day Roy deserved to go for how he had us performing on the pitch and so does Kenny. Only difference is Kenny performances haven't been to that terrible standard which allowed him the full season.

Fowler87 · 13-05-2012 08:46PM

Well thank **** that season is over. Absolute dire second half of season totally eclipsed our fairly good but woefully unlucky at times Aug-Dec. Cup is a bonus and there are signs of improvements in some big signings.

37 points behind the champions aka 04/05. Only positive to take from that is that we improved tenfold the following season. Lets hope for something similar next season.

eigrod · 13-05-2012 08:50PM

Does the S*n still sponsor that Premiership highlights show on RTE ?

daithijjj · 13-05-2012 08:58PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Not I didn't. However I never expected us to spend £130m either, we could have easily bought 8 or 9 players for that and gotten rid of the dross if we wanted. For £100m I certainly didn't expect average players like adam, Downing and Carroll and players like Henderson who are still miles off being first team.

No said anything about one summer spending sorting our problems, but I honestly didn't think after one summer we'd be even further away from 4th and behind Everton.

Not sure what else you expected. It seems 3 months of good football is Kennys saving grace 1 poor season. I agree Kenny was excellent those 3 monhs, but the fact he completely went away from that style of football the following season was criminal. Just highlights how poor he is and how he doesn't seem to have much clue as to how he wants to run things. It seems Kennys saving grace his mainly that he wasn't a complete tit in front of the media like roy, hardly a ringing endorsement for Kenny. At the end of the day Roy deserved to go for how he had us performing on the pitch and so does Kenny. Only difference is Kenny performances haven't been to that terrible standard which allowed him the full season.

Its not as simple as buying 8 or 9 players. You have to be in a position where the players you might want actually want to join the club. And even if you could manage that, you are still expecting some kind of telepathic connection on the pitch where a whole new team has to gel instantly. Not going to happen.

Some of the players invested heavily, mentally and physically, in cup runs. People are being disingenuous with their opinions on players like Henderson imho, a 21 year old into a new club, under the spotlight, played out of position imo for quite some time during that season and playing over 50+ games. I firmly believe in a couple of years when he is the ripe old age of 23/4 he will be a very good contributor and professional for the club.

I think someone who tries to convey an assertion that patience for KK and Hodgson are one in the same, is also being disingenuous. Its like comparing Hodgson's ineptness at home to Wolves and Kenny's team at home to Arsenal for example. We ended up with the same result, a loss, but the evidence of the game showed progress from the stage we were at 12 months prior.

Nuri Sahin · 13-05-2012 09:07PM

Just gonna throw this out there. With Villarreal being relegated tonight, and relatively recent news of Rossi's injury relapse. Does anyone think we should possibly look to sign him? I think he'll be back fit again by the end of the summer.

There's also the likes of Borja Valero, de Guzman and Soriano possibly worth looking at. They aren't bad players over just one season.

ush · 13-05-2012 09:10PM

daithijjj wrote: »

Its not as simple as buying 8 or 9 players. You have to be in a position where the players you might want actually want to join the club.

You also don't want to be in a position where senior players could end up handing in transfer requests. A lot of the talk about potential buys seems to be about adding players to the squad. I suspect a lot of LFC's future transfer activity could be replacing the genuine quality players we have. Quality players that are tired of cup runs and excuses. Agger, Skrtel and Reina are having their loyalties tested. As did Torres, Mascherano and Alonso. Suarez is coveted by other clubs. How long are those four going to deny themselves CL football?

The Americans are firing people in the executive part of the club. That can't be great for creating stable conditions where players feel at ease. Dalglish doesn't seem to have the authority required to rouse them into winning the games they're meant to win. So thats a further obvious change. Liverpool should never be allowed to merely slide into the habit of losing. This is a crisis.

Chucky the tree · 13-05-2012 09:14PM

daithijjj wrote: »

Its not as simple as buying 8 or 9 players. You have to be in a position where the players you might want actually want to join the club. And even if you could manage that, you are still expecting some kind of telepathic connection on the pitch where a whole new team has to gel instantly. Not going to happen.

Some of the players invested heavily, mentally and physically, in cup runs. People are being disingenuous with their opinions on players like Henderson imho, a 21 year old into a new club, under the spotlight, played out of position imo for quite some time during that season and playing over 50+ games. I firmly believe in a couple of years when he is the ripe old age of 23/4 he will be a very good contributor and professional for the club.

I think someone who tries to convey an assertion that patience for KK and Hodgson are one in the same, is also being disingenuous. Its like comparing Hodgson's ineptness at home to Wolves and Kenny's team at home to Arsenal for example. We ended up with the same result, a loss, but the evidence of the game showed progress from the stage we were at 12 months prior.

Look at Newcastle, they bought 3 or 4 very good players and made a huge jump in one season, it's clearly possible. If we can't sign 8 or 9 players, at least sign 3 or 4 good ones. We failed miserable even at that. If the very least you can't improve your squad don't ****ing sell one of you best players on the last day of the tranfer window. There have been very few areas of the team I have been impressed with by Kenny handling.

I agree on Henderson but the fact is Kenny spend £18m on a player who is 3 or 4 years off being decent, why? I mean it's not like we have a squad packed with talent and we can afford to invest that kind of money on a project. As for being played out of position, only one person to blame for that one.

I think someone who implies not wanting Kenny kept on as manager doesn't have patience is pretty ridiculous.

K-9 · 13-05-2012 09:25PM

Kenny was only good for 3 months?

I give up.

Yakult · 13-05-2012 09:29PM

The question you have to ask is, could another manager get more from these players we currently have? Yes, I think so. Is Kenny capable of doing so?

This summer, get the signings wrong (again) and we could slip even further down. Its obvious where we need to improve on, do that and I feel like we could do well enough next season. As I've said, I'll gladly wait til January and if we arent comfortable in the league then action should be taken but hopefully we wont miss the opportunity to bring in a top class manager.

Chucky the tree · 13-05-2012 09:29PM

K-9 wrote: »

Kenny was only good for 3 months?

I give up.

Sorry, 5 months.

13-05-2012 09:33PM

What manager do you think we should get Chucky?

Leiva · 13-05-2012 09:35PM

Take what you want from this . ..

We are shįt
Kenny stays..why?( read nexy line)
in the past 12 months we have played a form of football that's unrecognisable from WOy so something's working, in another 12 months we could be very very good ... But
we need to shift more deadwood ..some that is no more than 12 months with the club.

Come Jan 2013 if we are no better off then its revolution time !

I'm drunk !
But happy ..what a füqcking 3mins by CIty

Bromance to you guys .. Eat cake and reign. Signing off .

Hipefully chelsea win now (puking as I tyPe) Arry u tosser

Chucky the tree · 13-05-2012 09:36PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

What manager do you think we should get Chucky?

Not sure, my knowledge of managers on the continent isn't great.

monkey9 · 13-05-2012 09:40PM

Leiva wrote: »

Take what you want from this . ..

We are shįt
Kenny stays..why?( read nexy line)
in the past 12 months we have played a form of football that's unrecognisable from WOy so something's working, in another 12 months we could be very very good ... But
we need to shift more deadwood ..some that is no more than 12 months with the club.

Come Jan 2013 if we are no better off then its revolution time !

I'm drunk !
But happy ..what a füqcking 3mins by CIty

Bromance to you guys .. Eat cake and reign. Signing off .

Hipefully chelsea win now (puking as I tyPe) Arry u tosser

:pac::pac: He'll regret this in the morning!!

Turtyturd · 13-05-2012 09:41PM

monkey9 wrote: »

:pac::pac: He'll regret this in the morning!!

I am waiting for the Portugese translation Lucas always put up of his tweets.

Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12 (End of March 2012 onwards)

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