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Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12 (End of March 2012 onwards)

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  • #7082
    D'Agger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,385 ✭✭✭✭D'Agger


    MD1990 wrote: »
    i see your putting words in my mouth well done
    where did i blame Henderson for Liverpool's poor form?

    I deduced from your post that you're opinion of Henderson is quite low. Diame better than him? Please. Rubbish.

    You've also interpreted what i said incorrectly. I said he's your fall guy, no mention of Liverpools form.


  • #7083
    amiable
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    MD1990 wrote: »
    yes but without CL football
    its going to be hard to buy top quality
    but we will need a better Squad since were in the Europa League
    which i hope we take seriously

    Newcastle had no champions league football last season and attracted better quality players than Diame.
    So that argument is null and void.
    The notion that Diame is a better player than Henderson is ridiculous IMHO.
    Granted he's been very inconsistent this season but he was played out of position too.
    Of course Liverpool need to improve the squad but Diame is not an improvement on the squad and is certainly nowhere near good enough to improve the first 11.


  • #7084
    Jayob10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,787 ✭✭✭Jayob10


    Diame is certainly more capable than Spearing.

    People getting their knickers in a twist, i'd like to think Diame is not the big midfielder we will sign this summer but he'd be a really good Bosmn signing as cover if we can get him on decent wages.

    Only 24 aswell, was linked with Real and Barca back in the day during his time in Spain and there also talk right now that Sevilla are interested aswell. These are the type of Bosman signings we should be making.

    Excellent cover for Lucas.

    It became apparent after Januaury that he was looking for a move in the summer hence Martinez didn't use him as often which is understandable. He did the same with Rodellega, obviously only trusted players committed to the cause.


  • #7085
    amiable
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    Giving an opinion that Diame is not good enough is getting nickers in a twist? OK


  • #7086
    Leiva
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Leiva


    If you replace mediocrity with mediocrity you usually get mediocrity .


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  • #7087
    whatawaster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,911 ✭✭✭✭whatawaster


    I'm all for only buying first 11 players by and large and having our current first 11 players becoming cover.

    But DM is a slightly special case in that we are unlikely to buy someone who is going to displace Lucas (because we need to spend big on a partner for him).

    We have no backup for Lucas though, so a cheap backup of decent quality, who can play all cup matches would be ideal. Diame ticks the boxes and is a big upgrade on Spearing, who is terrible.


  • #7088
    ShamoBuc
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 36,944 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    Leiva wrote: »
    If you replace mediocrity with mediocrity you usually get mediocrity .

    I really hope we learn from the above and not repeat the same mistakes again.


  • #7089
    amiable
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    Jayob10 wrote: »
    Diame is certainly more capable than Spearing.

    People getting their knickers in a twist, i'd like to think Diame is not the big midfielder we will sign this summer but he'd be a really good Bosmn signing as cover if we can get him on decent wages.

    Only 24 aswell, was linked with Real and Barca back in the day during his time in Spain and there also talk right now that Sevilla are interested aswell. These are the type of Bosman signings we should be making.

    Excellent cover for Lucas.

    It became apparent after Januaury that he was looking for a move in the summer hence Martinez didn't use him as often which is understandable. He did the same with Rodellega, obviously only trusted players committed to the cause.
    He stopped using Diame because he went to the ACN and seemed to decide to put James McArthy in that position and it worked out well.
    Rodallega wasn't getting goals and wasn't putting in the work rate so he was dropped too.

    Big difference between being linked to Real and Barca and ending iup at Wigan.
    A good agent can get lots of players linked with big clubs.


  • #7090
    djPSB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,299 ✭✭✭djPSB


    Elm reminds me of Meireles.

    Good on the ball, great vision but a bit lightweight defensively. He would be a good addition though.

    Belhanda looks excellent too. My only concern would be that his best position is number 10, which is the position I would expect Suarez to be playing next season. I would have expected a more direct winger.


  • #7091
    DDC1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,397 ✭✭✭✭DDC1990




    Think this is quite funny :P

    It'd be a good reply to Wums who come on here trying to be funny :P


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  • #7092
    amiable
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    whatawaster wrote: »
    I'm all for only buying first 11 players by and large and having our current first 11 players becoming cover.

    But DM is a slightly special case in that Lucas we are unlikely to buy someone who is going to displace Lucas (because we need to spend big on a partner for him).

    We have no backup for Lucas though, so a cheap backup of decent quality, who can play all cup matches would be ideal. Diame ticks the boxes and is a big upgrade on Spearing, who is terrible.
    Backup player on 60k per week?


  • #7093
    djPSB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,299 ✭✭✭djPSB


    amiable wrote: »
    Newcastle had no champions league football last season and attracted better quality players than Diame.
    So that argument is null and void.
    The notion that Diame is a better player than Henderson is ridiculous IMHO.
    Granted he's been very inconsistent this season but he was played out of position too.
    Of course Liverpool need to improve the squad but Diame is not an improvement on the squad and is certainly nowhere near good enough to improve the first 11.

    Diame > Spearing


  • #7094
    Leiva
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Leiva


    DDC1990 wrote: »


    Think this is quite funny :P

    It'd be a good reply to Wums who come on here trying to be funny :P

    Quick how do you make a gif


  • #7095
    Turtyturd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭Turtyturd


    DDC1990 wrote: »


    Think this is quite funny :P

    It'd be a good reply to Wums who come on here trying to be funny :P

    kenny-dalglish-fonz.jpg


  • #7096
    amiable
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    djPSB wrote: »
    Diame > Spearing

    I'd say they are on a par .
    Hence me saying he's no improvement and would be on at least double Spearings wages if he arrived on a free


  • #7097
    ShamoBuc
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 36,944 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    amiable wrote: »
    Backup player on 60k per week?

    Sounds crazy, but then again I think we are paying in the same region as that for players who aren't even at the club!


  • #7098
    monkey9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,337 ✭✭✭✭monkey9


    Igor Biscan was linked with the likes of Juventus and Real Madrid before we bought him. Milan Jovanović was linked with Real Madrid. It means nothing!!


  • #7099
    amiable
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    ShamoBuc wrote: »
    Sounds crazy, but then again I think we are paying in the same region as that for players who aren't even at the club!

    But that's no reason to bring in more average players on that kind of money.
    The 60k is pure speculation on my part but you can be sure he'd be on at least 50k if he arrives on a free


  • #7100
    amiable
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    monkey9 wrote: »
    Igor Biscan was linked with the likes of Juventus and Real Madrid before we bought him. Milan Jovanović was linked with Real Madrid. It means nothing!!

    Exactly. A good agent creates these links


  • #7101
    djPSB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,299 ✭✭✭djPSB


    amiable wrote: »
    I'd say they are on a par .
    Hence me saying he's no improvement and would be on at least double Spearings wages if he arrived on a free

    Maybe you rate Spearing higher than I do. I think he is poor, he wouldn't make any other PL team, He wouldn't make the majority of Championship teams.
    He is a good player to have around as back up i.e 5/6games per season.

    Diame would be an improvement IMO, although not a player that would be high on my list of targets. I'd imagine their theory would be to fill that position on a relatively low budget which would allow more strengthening in other areas.


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  • #7102
    DDC1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,397 ✭✭✭✭DDC1990


    Leiva wrote: »
    Quick how do you make a gif

    Not mine, Its by a guy called Mostar on RAWK.

    He does a load of player compliations and is a video whizz basically.

    Suarez.gif


  • #7103
    Jayob10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,787 ✭✭✭Jayob10


    amiable wrote: »
    He stopped using Diame because he went to the ACN and seemed to decide to put James McArthy in that position and it worked out well.
    Rodallega wasn't getting goals and wasn't putting in the work rate so he was dropped too.

    Big difference between being linked to Real and Barca and ending iup at Wigan.
    A good agent can get lots of players linked with big clubs.

    well to be pedantic, he dropped his extra man in midfield and played a higher line. went with a 2 man central midfield (of which McCarthy was one) he wasn't the exclusive sitting midfielder. Basically they went to 3-4-3 and it clicked.

    Diame and Rodellega did themselves no favours in terms of selection by making it obvious they were not signing new deals.

    As for Rodellega not scoring any goals, none of the Wigan strikers have scored any goals really.

    I stand by what I said, Diame is a good player. A specialist ball winner who would be happy to be a squad player aswell

    The proviso would be that we also sign a long term partner for Lucas aswell. But i'd have no problem with Diame being deputy for Lucas.

    Having watched him I think he is alot better than what we have in that position.


  • #7104
    amiable
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    djPSB wrote: »
    Maybe you rate Spearing higher than I do. I think he is poor, he wouldn't make any other PL team, He wouldn't make the majority of Championship teams.
    He is a good player to have around as back up i.e 5/6games per season.

    Diame would be an improvement IMO, although not a player that would be high on my list of targets. I'd imagine their theory would be to fill that position on a relatively low budget which would allow more strengthening in other areas.

    I actually don't think Spearing is good either but then neither is Diame.
    If he was that good he'd have forced his way in to the Wigan team again.
    Just because he's a bosman doesn't make him cheap.
    Joe Cole has cost the club an absolute fortune.


  • #7105
    amiable
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    Jayob10 wrote: »
    well to be pedantic, he dropped his extra man in midfield and played a higher line. went with a 2 man central midfield (of which McCarthy was one) he wasn't the exclusive sitting midfielder. Basically they went to 3-4-3 and it clicked.

    Diame and Rodellega did themselves no favours in terms of selection by making it obvious they were not signing new deals.

    As for Rodellega not scoring any goals, none of the Wigan strikers have scored any goals really.

    I stand by what I said, Diame is a good player. A specialist ball winner who would be happy to be a squad player aswell

    The proviso would be that we also sign a long term partner for Lucas aswell. But i'd have no problem with Diame being deputy for Lucas.

    Having watched him I think he is alot better than what we have in that position.

    Which is why I put in about the workrate as well as goals

    Also just cos Wigan changed their system doesn't mean that Diame couldn't have played too.


  • #7106
    whatawaster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,911 ✭✭✭✭whatawaster


    amiable wrote: »
    Backup player on 60k per week?

    How do you know those would be his wages?

    I'd offer him no more than 30/40K

    If he doesn't want to play for Liverpool I won't lose any sleep.

    When I say I wouldn't mind signing a player, I don't mean "at any cost."


  • #7107
    amiable
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    whatawaster wrote: »
    How do you know those would be his wages?

    I'd offer him no more than 30/40K

    If he doesn't want to play for Liverpool I won't lose any sleep.

    When I say I wouldn't mind signing a player, I don't mean "at any cost."

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=78650789&postcount=7099

    Just had a quick search. Not reliable but a guide
    http://kopworld.net/transfer-talk/mohamed-diame/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter


  • #7108
    Jayob10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,787 ✭✭✭Jayob10


    amiable wrote: »
    I actually don't think Spearing is good either but then neither is Diame.
    If he was that good he'd have forced his way in to the Wigan team again.
    Just because he's a bosman doesn't make him cheap.
    Joe Cole has cost the club an absolute fortune.

    Wigan are fighting relegation, its a case of all hands to the pump. Diame is probably talking to clubs on the continent since he came back from the ACN.

    Not to be critical of your posts, but I wonder have you actually watched him play much? Bearing in mind he is not an eye catching player being a defensive midfielder and all.

    Or do you base your assumption on the fact he is not currently in the Wigan first XI? Also you do realise he was a regular for the previous 2 seasons? he is not a bit part player, rather a key player who fell out of favour due to his contractual situation.


  • #7109
    amiable
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    Jayob10 wrote: »
    Wigan are fighting relegation, its a case of all hands to the pump. Diame is probably talking to clubs on the continent since he came back from the ACN.

    Not to be critical of your posts, but I wonder have you actually watched him play much? Bearing in mind he is not an eye catching player being a defensive midfielder and all.

    Or do you base your assumption on the fact he is not currently in the Wigan first XI? Also you do realise he was a regular for the previous 2 seasons? he is not a bit part player, rather a key player who fell out of favour due to his contractual situation.

    I've probably watched him every time he's played on Sky this season and highlight packages like MOTD.
    Granted I don't look for a stream for their non televised games :p


  • #7110
    Jayob10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,787 ✭✭✭Jayob10


    whatawaster wrote: »
    How do you know those would be his wages?

    I'd offer him no more than 30/40K

    If he doesn't want to play for Liverpool I won't lose any sleep.

    When I say I wouldn't mind signing a player, I don't mean "at any cost."

    Exactly, if the lad demands extortionate wages then he can hit the road.

    But for a decent wage he would be excellent cover for Lucas, and if funds were lower this year it then allows us to redistribute spending to areas of the team that need greater finances.


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  • #7111
    djPSB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,299 ✭✭✭djPSB


    Newcastle are interested so he must be good ;)


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