Internship scheme offers 5,000 work placements to people on the dole

yore · 12-05-2012 06:51PM

Born to Die wrote: »

As a person with 20 years of experience at management level for a multinational corporation I can promise you that there are managers all over this country rubbing their hands with delight at the prospect of filling their manpower and skills requirements with people from these schemes. No impact on overheads, no increased wage bill, no tax/prsi liability, just happier shareholders with increased profits with no outlay.

All meaning no job creation.

Goodbye.

Sure you must be minted so. 20 years at management level. We'll assume it took you 10 years to get to management level. Sure sit back and use your savings/redundency/retirement money to put your money where your mouth is and purchase same shares. If you can't beat them, join them!

yore · 12-05-2012 06:53PM

sunflower27 wrote: »

There is benefit to getting out of the house, interacting with society. That doesn't make the scheme right. The scheme is a scam and I hope you or anyone you care about doesn't end up in a sh*tty internship because they see no other way of paying their mortgage/bills.

Ok, your friends and family are maybe paying for me then

They'd be paying for you anyway if you were on the dole. This way they pay 50 more, but there's greater probability of society getting a return from the 250 than the 200 dead dole money.

Born to Die · 12-05-2012 06:56PM

yore wrote: »

Sure you must be minted so. 20 years at management level. We'll assume it took you 10 years to get to management level. Sure sit back and use your savings/redundency/retirement money to put your money where your mouth is and purchase same shares. If you can't beat them, join them!

I am a little more principled than that but you seem to be happy to assume a hell of a lot. Your annoying posts keep drawing me back to the thread.

sunflower27 · 12-05-2012 06:58PM

Only a few weeks left at the €238 (it was never €200 and €250).

And you are wrong - society will get a lot more back when I am volunteering more hours at the women's refuge and Samaritans than an internship where I am making money for a private business.

Didn't think of that did you.

yore · 12-05-2012 07:04PM

sunflower27 wrote: »

Only a few weeks left at the €238 (it was never €200 and €250).

And you are wrong - society will get a lot more back when I am volunteering more hours at the women's refuge and Samaritans than an internship where I am making money for a private business.

Didn't think of that did you.

See my numerous posts espousing the virtues and many benefits of CE schemes and volunteering. People in private sector employment contribute to society too. anyone who supplies a wanted good or service contributes to society.

Plus, ironically enough, you still seem to be intent on finishing it out!!

christmas2012 · 12-05-2012 07:09PM

yore wrote: »

They'd be paying for you anyway if you were on the dole. This way they pay 50 more, but there's greater probability of society getting a return from the 250 than the 200 dead dole money.

Its all dead money,the FAS,JOBBRIDGE,TUS,SOLAS,ALL THE WELFARE QUANGOS AMOUNT TO DEAD MONEY,THEY GET PAID BY GOVERNMENT,AND NO TAX BACK MEANING ITS EXPENSE,AND IT DOESNT SEE ANY MONEY BACK EITHER WHICH IS WORSE IT MEANS THESE PROFIT GUZZLING COMPANIES CHOOSE NOT TO HIRE(EVEN THOUGH WE KNOW THE LIKES OF TESCO,HEWLITT PACKARD,AND AERLINGUS CAN WELL AFFORD),DO YOU HONESTLY THINK A INTERNSHIP TO WIPE TABLES IS UPSKILLING?THINK AGAIN,ALL THESE GRADUATES,AND NON GRADUATES ARE BEING EXPLOITED THEY ARE NOT SEEN AS INDIVIDUAL GRADUATES,BEING PAID,THEY ARE MERELY SEEN AS A MEANS TO MAKE PROFIT(BY ABUSING THEM,AND USING THE ''JOBS SCHEME OR AS I LIKE TO CALL IT THE UNEMPLOYMENT SCHEME,AS A REVOVLING DOOR SYSTEM OF FREEBIES,ITS A SLAVE LABOUR SCAM A JOB BLOCKER) FOR SOME MONEY GRUBBING MACHINE..

AND HOW IS SOCIETY GETTING A RETURN TELL ME IF THEY WONT EMPLOY THEM AFTER?REMEMBER,ONLY 400/7000 INTERNSHIPS WERE EMPLOYED,AND THATS AT THE FIRST ROLL OUT,THESE COMPANIES ARE ARROGANT AND DIDNT EVEN SEEM EAGER TO CREATE THE RIGHT IMPRESSION AT THE FIRST STOP..

sunflower27 · 12-05-2012 07:09PM

yore wrote: »

See my numerous posts espousing the virtues and many benefits of CE schemes and volunteering. People in private sector employment contribute to society too. anyone who supplies a wanted good or service contributes to society.

Plus, ironically enough, you still seem to be intent on finishing it out!!

Why wouldn't I finish out the last few weeks to get a reference that says I stuck it out? A reference that could help me secure my next paid job.

If I was to just say 'I'm off' I risk a negative reference down the line.

I am surprised you can't see that for yourself

And there is far more benefits to society with my volunteer work than the internship, but you will just have to take my word for that.

I'm also exiting stage left...

yore · 12-05-2012 07:10PM

Born to Die wrote: »

I am a little more principled than that but you seem to be happy to assume a hell of a lot. Your annoying posts keep drawing me back to the thread.

more principled than to invest your money? It's now immoral to buy stocks in a company? I'll take it that you don't have a pension plan? Do you keep it in gold ingots under your bed?

If a company gets an injection of equity capital, it can allow the company to expand. That is how companies grow and take on more staff and provide employment. You were 20 years at management level in a multinational so you know this basic stuff already

yore · 12-05-2012 07:13PM

christmas2012 wrote: »

AND HOW IS SOCIETY GETTING A RETURN TELL ME IF THEY WONT EMPLOY THEM AFTER?REMEMBER,ONLY 400/7000 INTERNSHIPS WERE EMPLOYED,AND THATS AT THE FIRST ROLL OUT,THESE COMPANIES ARE ARROGANT AND DIDNT EVEN SEEM EAGER TO CREATE THE RIGHT IMPRESSION AT THE FIRST STOP..

That's the ones who were kept on by the same company. Other employers might take them on that wouldn't have looked at them without the experience. Perhaps some of the interns leverage off the experience to get a job in a better company. Very few people these days stay in the one company for
life

AND I THINK YOUR CAPS KEY IS STUCK ON

christmas2012 · 12-05-2012 07:17PM

You are explaining away a free labour scam like its a good thing ''everybodys a winner'',its a win win situation and all that,like you have stated in your previous posts,but can you see that there is a negative side,companies abuse this,can you not at least acknowledge this?
or is it all win win?

Born to Die · 12-05-2012 07:24PM

yore wrote: »

more principled than to invest your money? It's now immoral to buy stocks in a company? I'll take it that you don't have a pension plan? Do you keep it in gold ingots under your bed?

If a company gets an injection of equity capital, it can allow the company to expand. That is how companies grow and take on more staff and provide employment. You were 20 years at management level in a multinational so you know this basic stuff already

You are a painful person and very arrogant in your responses and as for your assumptions they are extremely disrespectful.

lostboy · 12-05-2012 07:29PM

thread is very tldr so ive skipped some of it, can someone explain to me though how, taking someone on the dole and employing them for 6-9 months creates unemployment?

yore · 12-05-2012 07:30PM

sunflower27 wrote: »

Why wouldn't I finish out the last few weeks to get a reference that says I stuck it out? A reference that could help me secure my next paid job.

If I was to just say 'I'm off' I risk a negative reference down the line.

I am surprised you can't see that for yourself

And there is far more benefits to society with my volunteer work than the internship, but you will just have to take my word for that.

I'm also exiting stage left...

Jesus H Christ woman!! I say that doing an internship is preferable to the dole. You argue with me and sign off by saying you are going to get a valuable reference from an internship that could help you secure your next paying job.....I don't know atall atall

Born to Die · 12-05-2012 07:38PM

lostboy wrote: »

thread is very tldr so ive skipped some of it, can someone explain to me though how, taking someone on the dole and employing them for 6-9 months creates unemployment?

These schemes do not take you off the dole. By employers filling vacancies with people from these schemes chances are that even part-time, contract jobs and full time positions are not being filled.

christmas2012 · 12-05-2012 07:42PM

lostboy wrote: »

thread is very tldr so ive skipped some of it, can someone explain to me though how, taking someone on the dole and employing them for 6-9 months creates unemployment?

It hogs up what could have been a paid job,for example micheal o leary wants to save some extra euros,and instead of hiring paid staff he can afford,he uses the free labour schemes ie FAS ce schemes,and JOBBRIDGE internships.

AND..By the revolving door system they use,ie,hiring free staff everytime,they occupy what could have been a full time position or indeed part time position that could have a paid salary attached to it..

Thats how these schemes create unemployment.

If you sign up to one of these schemes you are contributing to mass unemployment,these ce/internships ie free labour schemes make the dole queues at the social welfare,longer and longer

In the first roll out of jobbridge they only got 400/7000 hired,and they never stated at what capacity they were hired,some even take you on after and dont pay you i saw a couple of blogs and threads on that..

lostboy · 12-05-2012 07:45PM

sorry lads, last time i was on such a scheme i got my money paid into a bank account and was no longer on the live register, when i completed the scheme i had to sign back on and wait for money. i.e i was employed.

yore · 12-05-2012 07:46PM

lostboy wrote: »

thread is very tldr so ive skipped some of it, can someone explain to me though how, taking someone on the dole and employing them for 6-9 months creates unemployment?

There are 7,000 internship positions. And only about 450,000 people on the dole. If we scrapped the jobsbridge and CE schemes, then those 450,000 would all get high paying jobs apparently. 457,000 as the 7,000 aren't included in the unemployment figures.

Nope, it doesn't make sense to me either

Born to Die · 12-05-2012 07:47PM

lostboy wrote: »

sorry lads, last time i was on such a scheme i got my money paid into a bank account and was no longer on the live register, when i completed the scheme i had to sign back on and wait for money. i.e i was employed.

Sweet Jesus this country is fcuked.

BASHIR · 12-05-2012 07:51PM

christmas2012 wrote: »

You are explaining away a free labour scam like its a good thing ''everybodys a winner'',its a win win situation and all that,like you have stated in your previous posts,but can you see that there is a negative side,companies abuse this,can you not at least acknowledge this?
or is it all win win?

Tbh I'm doing one of these internships so excuse my bias. I feel like a winner, because after college I was facing the two scenarios. Going on the dole with the very slim chance of finding a proper paid graduate position, I had no experience in my field. Or emigration which I really did not want to do. I'm glad I done it now.

I can see the problems people have the supermacs tesco's etc getting in interns. tbh its bull**** I have worked in mcDonalds when I was 16 years old ya don't need 6-9 months to learn how to work there.

But I also see the absolutely fantastic experience a person can achieve when they get the right one, and not taken advantage of.

I'm split on the success of the whole program, but if I give my opinion it is that the person should take some responsibility for yourself. No employer is obliged to give you a paid job. If you feel you are been exploited quit there is absolutely no obligation on you to continue. You do not owe the employer a thing. make the internship work for you. Just my two cents

christmas2012 · 12-05-2012 07:51PM

It annoys me to see so much money being poured into these schemes(billions in the long run)like FAS and JOBBRIDGE,SOLAS,TUS,they even had jobfit(which was closed down in june 2011)..To see people employed by these schemes that create unemployment pay themselves so well..Its a waste of money,and it should be better spent,or they should have rules in place,such as you cannot get free workers,if you dont hire like 40 % of etc,if they ran it that way at least you could say they are doing something about the unemployment situation.
It bugs me that they say it helps with unemployment,it clearly doesnt in fact it perpetuates it,If companies see,FAS,and JOBBRIDGE they exploit them for free labour,so how many paid jobs do you think they are going to advertise..None.

yore · 12-05-2012 07:56PM

Born to Die wrote: »

You are a painful person and very arrogant in your responses and as for your assumptions they are extremely disrespectful.

Whatever man. You start by claiming shareholders are making excessive profits due to this scheme. I pointed out that if you really believed that, then those must be the companies where you choose or should choose invest your savings/pension. You replied that you wouldn't do that as it was against your principles. I pointed out that companies depend on investment to grow and by investing, you are creating an economic stimulus that could create jobs.

You spent 20 years at management level in a multinational so you are hardly the poor man on the street with little or no contacts/experience/knowledge of how to let your money make money.

EDIT: Perhaps you are even one of those types of people who used to spend your time pi$$ing on the "little people" and looking down on anyone who had jobs "beneath" yours and think that working on one of these schemes, doing one of those jobs, is beneath a person of your stature.

lostboy · 12-05-2012 08:00PM

I think some people really need to look up the definition of employment

christmas2012 · 12-05-2012 08:32PM

''Whatever man. You start by claiming shareholders are making excessive profits due to this scheme. I pointed out that if you really believed that''

I dont think its a question of belief..

yore · 12-05-2012 08:44PM

christmas2012 wrote: »

''Whatever man. You start by claiming shareholders are making excessive profits due to this scheme. I pointed out that if you really believed that''

I dont think its a question of belief..

Grand, sure you'll know which ones to invest in so. You can invest the profits you're gonna make from advising these companies as part of your new consulting business advising employers how to cut their costs in the first place.

Hey, maybe when your work picks up, you could even branch out with a few free interns for yourself........Can I invest in your company too?

christmas2012 · 12-05-2012 08:48PM

I dont just believe they are making huge profits,they are actually making more profits by hiring free labour,which is exploitation of the schemes,and neither party seems to mind,i think its a win win situation for them..

Like i asked you before,can you not at least acknowledge the fact there is a negative downside to the schemes and the abuse of it is rife..Or do you refuse to acknowledge this and see it as a win win situation?

You might want to think hard about who it really is a win - win situation for..

yore · 12-05-2012 08:50PM

christmas2012 wrote: »

I dont just believe they are making huge profits,they are actually making more profits by hiring free labour,which is exploitation of the schemes,and neither party seems to mind,i think its a win win situation for them..

Like i asked you before,can you not at least acknowledge the fact there is a negative downside to the schemes and the abuse of it is rife..Or do you refuse to acknowledge this and see it as a win win situation?

You might want to think hard about who it really is a win - win situation for..

it's a win-win for everyone. It just happens to be more of a win for some sides than others. Still, I wouldn't cut off my nose to spite my face

EDIT: win-win implies both side gain!!

christmas2012 · 12-05-2012 08:53PM

Im not suggesting dont do one of these schemes if you want to do it for experience well and good,but if you think they are going to hire,when the hiring rate in the past has proven to be poor,think again..Whats even worse is these schemes,block what could be an employment oppurtunity,they create unemployment,and to see the likes of paul o toole of FAS and others in JOBRIDGE paying themselves handsomely(creating unemployment) while our country is in ruins really makes my blood boil..

yore · 12-05-2012 09:00PM

christmas2012 wrote: »

Im not suggesting dont do one of these schemes if you want to do it for experience well and good,but if you think they are going to hire,when the hiring rate in the past has proven to be poor,think again..Whats even worse is these schemes,block what could be an employment oppurtunity,they create unemployment,and to see the likes of paul o toole of FAS and others in JOBRIDGE paying themselves handsomely(creating unemployment) while our country is in ruins really makes my blood boil..

A possible explanation for the low hiring rate could also be due to the fact that perhaps the benefits of having that extra employee does not outweigh the cost of an extra full time member of staff. At the very least it must be a contributing factor.
If an employer was 100% sure they could increase their business/profit by taking on another full time employee, they would have done so already.
They wouldn't be taking up that position with a 9 month intern, taking 1 month to train him/her, then a cooling off period of 6 months before they can take on another and spend another month training them.

Have I claimed the scheme was immune to abuse? No, I've mentioned it many times but mentioned that anyone who was aware of an abuse can just report it.

lostboy · 12-05-2012 09:04PM

christmas2012 wrote: »

(creating unemployment)

By employing people

yore · 12-05-2012 09:05PM

To Christmas2012

Do you think that the government should implement a "jobs stimulus package". It's a phrase I hear bandied about a lot by random politicians.

If so, what form would you like it to take? You don't seem to like it if the employers/shareholders are getting something for nothing...

To my mind, the jobsbridge is an attempt at a stimulus package

Internship scheme offers 5,000 work placements to people on the dole

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