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Hitler on Wikipedia

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  • #62
    brummytom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,572 ✭✭✭✭brummytom


    Yeah I find it interesting actually. He was in the military police, sent undercover into the Nazi Party. That'd be a great film. Good cop gone mad, to the extreme.


  • #63
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    When he was a young man he discovered the joys of ale and pubs it was then he started collecting beer mats


  • #64
    Sindri
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,059 ✭✭✭Sindri


    DublinWriter wrote: »
    Ah yes, the Schicklgrubers of Castlebar. Know them well.

    Nope, I wouldn't give their name out even though it can be found online fairly easily. I actually know some of them, I've met a great great whatever nephew of his and a few others related by marriage.


  • #65
    The_B_Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,027 ✭✭✭The_B_Man
    Something about sandwiches


    Speaking of Hitler and Wikipedia,
    Try this game:
    The Hitler Wikipedia Game

    :D:D


  • #66
    Atlantis50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 521 ✭✭✭Atlantis50


    He was spotted today on a bus in Ireland:

    hitleri.jpg


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  • #67
    LincolnsBeard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 218 ✭✭LincolnsBeard


    Fascinating read:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eduard_Bloch


    Eduard Bloch was the Jewish-Austrian doctor for the Hitler family. He looked after Hitler's Mother when she was dying of cancer. As a result of the families poor economic situation, he would often prescribe medication to the family free of charge. Hitler was grateful to Bloch and gave him gifts as a token of his gratitude.

    In later years, Bloch wrote to Hitler asking for help during the persecution of Jews in Austria. Hitler granted him special protection under the Gestapo and continued to inquire about his well being.

    Insane story.


  • #68
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 99,562 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    He invented happy hardcore dance music
    You wouldn't find Hitler playing jungle music at 3 o'clock in the morning.


  • #69
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    LincolnsBeard wrote: »
    Fascinating read:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eduard_Bloch


    Eduard Bloch was the Jewish-Austrian doctor for the Hitler family. He looked after Hitler's Mother when she was dying of cancer. As a result of the families poor economic situation, he would often prescribe medication to the family free of charge. Hitler was grateful to Bloch and gave him gifts as a token of his gratitude.

    In later years, Bloch wrote to Hitler asking for help during the persecution of Jews in Austria. Hitler granted him special protection under the Gestapo and continued to inquire about his well being.

    Insane story.

    Aye. He started rather differently than he finished, which could be explained by the 'Sometimes its the obvious' theory - can't remember where I read this -

    ....Hitler was very young when his mother was being treated for cancer. The treatment at that stage consisted of a caustic agent being applied directly to the tumour - not the mae-west as can be imagined.

    Thus we have the association of 'The Jew' the eternal external agent infiltrating the home, disease, the suffering of loved ones. Throw into subconcious, allow to simmer with everyday anti-semitism, myths etc. Add in later political (jew bashing) influences and a decade or two later, ye have it popping out as The Jew as the eternal cancer eating away at society, which must be expunged, cut out, destroyed, all believed sincerely and emotionally.


  • #70
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,386 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »
    instead of becoming the biggest Tyrant of the 20th century he could have been known as a sh1te painter.
    He actually wasn't that bad a painter. Particularly of architecture. Certainly better then many who fancy themselves as artists. He was a bit stilted yes but like I say not that bad, certainly not as shíte as is made out. He had a pretty large output too, selling stuff to tourists and the like. I know a guy who has one of his watercolours. Given his notoriety and the interest in that whole period the stuff is pretty cheap. I think the bloke paid less than 2 grand for it and it's quite large. Winston Churchill's watercolours are way more pricey(IMHO Hitler was the better draughtsman by a nose). Seems like neo Nazis tend to be broke types :D Be cool to have both in a collection. Roosevelt wasn't into making art himself but was a big supporter and Stalin, well nah, so you couldn't really make up much of a set.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #71
    Wibbs
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    Nodin wrote: »
    Aye. He started rather differently than he finished, which could be explained by the 'Sometimes its the obvious' theory - can't remember where I read this -

    ....Hitler was very young when his mother was being treated for cancer. The treatment at that stage consisted of a caustic agent being applied directly to the tumour - not the mae-west as can be imagined.

    Thus we have the association of 'The Jew' the eternal external agent infiltrating the home, disease, the suffering of loved ones. Throw into subconcious, allow to simmer with everyday anti-semitism, myths etc. Add in later political (jew bashing) influences and a decade or two later, ye have it popping out as The Jew as the eternal cancer eating away at society, which must be expunged, cut out, destroyed, all believed sincerely and emotionally.
    Then add in the general anti semitism following WW2 and you have the perfect storm. Oddly though it went so far in Germany. Germany had about the most integrated and accepeted Jewish population in Europe at the time. Jews were everywhere, in all walks of society and there was a lot of intermarriage. Yes there were the usual anti Semite eejits, including Hitler who showed this trait to his irritated comrades in arms in the first world war. Yet the joke was the guy who recommended Hitler for an iron cross for gallantry in that war(and pushed hard for it) was his Jewish commanding officer Hugo Gutmann. Interestingly Hitler seems to have remembered this and though Nazi laws stopped ex Jewish servicemen getting pensions Hugo kept getting his. Plus when he was hauled in by the Nazi police he was released pretty sharpish. He and his family got out of Germany before the war.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



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  • #72
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,299 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »
    Those bastards in the Art College of Vienna caused WW2. Why couldn't they just accept the budding Adolf into their Academy, instead of becoming the biggest Tyrant of the 20th century he could have been known as a sh1te painter.

    That's highly debatable.


  • #73
    tSubh Dearg
    Hosted Moderators Posts: 5,555 ✭✭✭tSubh Dearg


    I found this thread title misleading. I thought it was about Hitler's thoughts on Wikipedia.


  • #74
    Ruralyoke
    Closed Accounts Posts: 213 ✭✭Ruralyoke


    So this thread isn't the mad rantings of a dictator from beyond the grave, bemoaning current internet resources?

    Or has someone said this? :o


  • #75
    IM0
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,390 ✭✭✭IM0


    godwinned in the thread title *tips hat* well done OP that must be some new kind of record


  • #76
    Pottler
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    How did a feckin Austrian manage to get Germanys name fecked up for all time??? Never follow an Austrian. Look what happened to that Kennedy bird.


  • #77
    CrazyRabbit
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    I wonder if he was a twisted evil fecker when he was a kid. I wonder if other parents looked at him and thought, "That one is going to be nothing but trouble when he gets older!"


  • #78
    prinz
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    CrazyRabbit wrote: »
    I wonder if he was a twisted evil fecker when he was a kid. I wonder if other parents looked at him and thought, "That one is going to be nothing but trouble when he gets older!"

    AFAIK he was too busy having his ass kicked by a bully father, and being overly indulged by his mother to compensate.


  • #79
    golden lane
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    he was a little angel...........just went around, muttering lebebsraum.


  • #80
    TehDagsBass
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    mikemac1 wrote: »
    Where is Alan Shatter who spends much of his time on holidays and the other half terrified of offending anyone?


    From what I hear, Alan Shatter is just as terrified of offending people while on holiday as he is here.


  • #81
    Simi
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qhz6xE4Tir0


    In all seriousness though, whenever something horrible happens in history, there is a tendancy to blame it on a single person. i.e. It was all Hitler, Stalin, Milošević etc. leading the poor helpless people into doing horrible things.

    In reality everyone who went along with or didn't attempt to resist in some way or another is as guilty as the figurehead held up after the fact. Problem is you can't try thousands or millions of people for crimes commited under a regime.

    Yes Hitler was a monster. But he could have just as easily spent his adult life muttering bile to himself in his living room, as instigating the largest war in human history, if people hadn't followed him.


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  • #82
    Eoin
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    Wibbs wrote: »
    Then add in the general anti semitism following WW2 and you have the perfect storm. Oddly though it went so far in Germany. Germany had about the most integrated and accepeted Jewish population in Europe at the time. Jews were everywhere, in all walks of society and there was a lot of intermarriage. Yes there were the usual anti Semite eejits, including Hitler who showed this trait to his irritated comrades in arms in the first world war.

    Presume you mean following WW1? The anti-Jewish sentiment seems to pre-date that considerably from what I've read.

    Anti-semitism was very rife, but not just across Germany. It seems that the SS really didn't have to do much to get the locals of occupied countries to slaughter the local Jews on their own. Reading about the pogroms that went on in Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Romania etc is incredible.

    My grandmother grew up in Germany and while she had Jewish friends (and sheltered one for a night who escaped Germany and got to South America), the impression I got was that no matter how integrated they were, they were still considered a Jew first and a neighbour/friend second.
    Simi wrote:
    In reality everyone who went along with or didn't attempt to resist in some way or another is as guilty as the figurehead held up after the fact.

    Not that it excuses them, but most the Germans lived in fear of the Gestapo, and were concentrating on just getting by day to day in many places. Resisting in even the smallest way could get you locked up and worse very quickly.

    "Alone in Berlin" is a great book - it's a fictionalised version of a true story about a couple who protested in a very minor way and were executed. It's a good insight into the fear that Germans lived under.


  • #83
    Wibbs
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    Eoin wrote: »
    Presume you mean following WW1?

    Doh! :o
    Anti-semitism was very rife, but not just across Germany. It seems that the SS really didn't have to do much to get the locals of occupied countries to slaughter the local Jews on their own. Reading about the pogroms that went on in Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Romania etc is incredible.

    My grandmother grew up in Germany and while she had Jewish friends (and sheltered one for a night who escaped Germany and got to South America), the impression I got was that no matter how integrated they were, they were still considered a Jew first and a neighbour/friend second.
    Oh certainly. You could add in France and a couple of other places like that too. The anti Jewish feelings in Europe have very deep roots. The Nazi machine had little resistance in any country they invaded as far as aggression towards Jews was concerned. On top of the anti Semitism there was also the thinking "oh so long as they're not coming after me".

    Major kudos to your grandmother. Incredibly brave for a German to shelter anyone against the regime, never mind a Jew. Signing her own death warrant there.
    Not that it excuses them, but most the Germans lived in fear of the Gestapo, and were concentrating on just getting by day to day in many places. Resisting in even the smallest way could get you locked up and worse very quickly.
    True and add in that most people anywhere tend to go with the flow more than they don't. Those who don't are more often seen as troublemakers and misfits regardless of the culture. Even so it's heartening to hear of people like your grannie and many thousands of others who chose to do something, often repeatedly at great risk and cost to their own lives.

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  • #84
    Mindkiller
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    Given a choice between the Stalinist USSR and Nazi Germany, I'd go with Germany any day. But then again I have the blond hair, blue eye genes thing going for me so I'd guess I'd have an easier time than most


  • #85
    Bruthal
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    Stiffler2 wrote: »
    Hah - if it weren't for Stalin you'd be speaking German right now

    Not if we are as bad at it as we are at irish:)


  • #86
    Wibbs
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    Eoin wrote: »
    The anti-Jewish sentiment seems to pre-date that considerably from what I've read.

    Anti-semitism was very rife, but not just across Germany.
    Thinking more on this it's remarkable how little the Nazi's "invented" as far as organised Anti Semitism went. The German anti Jewish laws in the early 30's onwards were in spirit and damn near word for word taken from previous laws set down over the previous thousand years of European history. Both the Church(not just the Roman either) and those in power hanging on their coattails would not have found the Nazi proscriptions on Jews unfamiliar, nor unsettling. Even Nazi propaganda of the boogieman Jew wasn't new. They're marked out in art and literature for centuries in such a fashion*. The ground was well tilled and turned and seeded. It didn't take much at all for it to grow.

    Where they did get inventive was with their "final solution". Previously Jews were converted, usually at the point of arms, expelled or ghettoised. The final solution was just that, final. The Converso can go back to being a Jew, the expelled can reappear, the dead Jew is finally gone. Final solution. A banal phrase dripping with the horror of beige bureaucratic evil. A middle management of jackbooted David Brents, industrialising the extinction of human life. That's what makes this atrocity so hard to square IMH. Insignificant little men and women setting metrics, ticking boxes and meeting targets. A civil service dept. of death, set up by a quango, run by absentee bosses who don't get their hands dirty, couched in the grey non committal wording of bureaucracy.





    *funny enough red hair was one such signal of "the evil Jew" in paintings. Judas is mostly rendered as red haired.

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  • #87
    BunShopVoyeur
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    I sometimes forget how young posters on here can be. Threads like this remind me. Why is it note worthy that you happened to read about a major historical figure?

    There are others you know......have a field day.


  • #88
    Gummy Panda
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    Wasn't there pogroms in Ireland as well? I believe in Cork


  • #89
    lividduck
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    Gummy Panda wrote: »
    Wasn't there pogroms in Ireland as well? I believe in Cork
    Certainly in Limerick.
    And we had our share of anti semites, most notably Sinn Fein under Arthur Griffith


  • #90
    Acacia
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    Wibbs wrote: »

    Where they did get inventive was with their "final solution". Previously Jews were converted, usually at the point of arms, expelled or ghettoised. The final solution was just that, final. The Converso can go back to being a Jew, the expelled can reappear, the dead Jew is finally gone. Final solution. A banal phrase dripping with the horror of beige bureaucratic evil. A middle management of jackbooted David Brents, industrialising the extinction of human life. That's what makes this atrocity so hard to square IMH. Insignificant little men and women setting metrics, ticking boxes and meeting targets. A civil service dept. of death, set up by a quango, run by absentee bosses who don't get their hands dirty, couched in the grey non committal wording of bureaucracy.


    Wibbs, you're always so eloquent!:) Basically sums up why I find the Holocaust so horrifying, and at the same time, grimly interesting. It's such an awful subject but so intriguing- how could so many ordinary, everyday people commit acts of such evil? It's mind-boggling.

    I've read lots of books and watched loads of films/ TV shows, etc about the Final Solution. A lot of people find it a bit strange since it's such a depressing subject. I suppose I'm just trying to find an answer to that question but I haven't yet been able to comprehend what could make people behave so cruelly towards each other.


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  • #91
    DoesNotCompute
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    CrazyRabbit wrote: »
    I wonder if he was a twisted evil fecker when he was a kid. I wonder if other parents looked at him and thought, "That one is going to be nothing but trouble when he gets older!"

    iirc, his favourite childhood movie was Snow White. Just goes to show - careful what you let your kids watch, or you could end up with a megalomaniac on your hands.


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