Winners

Mr.Biscuits · 09-05-2012 12:44AM

Charlie Sheen.

Shryke · 09-05-2012 12:56AM

Theodore Roosevelt. Its well worth reading up about the man.

K-9 · 09-05-2012 01:07AM

John Hume for his work ethic, guile and perseverance overcoming so many obstacles.

du Maurier · 09-05-2012 01:14AM

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

What famous people or present do you admire for their winning attitude, mindset, work ethic or guile?

I admire Floyd Mayweather, Napoleon, Abraham Lincoln, Fifty Cent, Rafael Nadal, Miles Davis amongst many others.

These people possess or possessed traits which bring about success.

I believe there are several qualities winners tend to possess. They often have the ability to focus intensely on reality and see things for what they are. They become comfortable with harsh realities and make the most of it. They display a fearless attitude towards adversity, they see oppurtunities in a negative situation where others would complain or feel sorry for themselves, they dedicate themselves to their craft with hard work and enthusiasm. They see through rhetoric and find the reality of a situation.

They remain emotionally stable, not getting too down when things are bad but also not getting too excited or caught up in their success as many do while losing touch with the traits which got them their success. If they have dreams and ambitions they realise you have to get active, make some noise, bruise a few people in your path and expect others to do the same to you. It is human nature and instead of complaining you must just get better at protectin yourself.

Most people can't handle boredom. That means they can't stay on one thing until they get good at it. And they wonder why they're unhappy.

So who are winners in your eyes and what makes them winners?

His girlfriend/wife could tell us all about that:pac:

Capt'n Midnight · 09-05-2012 01:34AM

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

Napoleon,
...
They remain emotionally stable, not getting too down when things are bad but also not getting too excited or caught up in their success

I really don't know where to start on this one

Greentopia · 09-05-2012 01:47AM

Since when did we become Americans categorising people as "winners " and by extension that some are "losers"? ugh... what does that mean anyway? hate those terms, pitting people against each other as if life was a bloody competition.
Sorry, pet peeve of mine

I admire people who try to bring about positive social, political, cultural, civil and scientific change in this world and who work to further the advancement of the human race and those who campaign for the rights of others-people like Wangari Maathai, Camila Vallejo, Aayan Hirsi Ali, John Seymour, Charles Darwin, Alexander Fleming, to mention a few.

kincsem · 09-05-2012 01:54AM

Jack Nicklaus

yore · 09-05-2012 04:08AM

Born to Die wrote: »

My Dad and even more so my Ma.

yeah .... yore ma

IM0 · 09-05-2012 04:20AM

me :cool:

and lance armstrong

Scanlas The 2nd · 09-05-2012 06:42AM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

Napoleon,
...
They remain emotionally stable, not getting too down when things are bad but also not getting too excited or caught up in their success

I really don't know where to start on this one

Napoleons was a winner for most his life then near the end he became soft and lost his principles.

Chuck Stone · 09-05-2012 06:59AM

What Greentopia said.

Scanlas The 2nd · 09-05-2012 08:31AM

Greentopia wrote: »

Since when did we become Americans categorising people as "winners " and by extension that some are "losers"? ugh... what does that mean anyway? hate those terms, pitting people against each other as if life was a bloody competition.
Sorry, pet peeve of mine

I admire people who try to bring about positive social, political, cultural, civil and scientific change in this world and who work to further the advancement of the human race and those who campaign for the rights of others-people like Wangari Maathai, Camila Vallejo, Aayan Hirsi Ali, John Seymour, Charles Darwin, Alexander Fleming, to mention a few.

Forget about Americans. The fact of the matter is some people have traits that make them much more likely to succeed at their chosen field. Some people have a winning attitude where they find opportunity in a negative circumstance where others would feel sorry for themselves.

Capt'n Midnight · 09-05-2012 12:08PM

Greentopia wrote: »

I admire people who try to bring about positive social, political, cultural, civil and scientific change in this world and who work to further the advancement of the human race and those who campaign for the rights of others-people like ... Alexander Fleming, to mention a few.

He was almost incidental in the penicillin story

http://inventors.about.com/od/pstartinventions/a/Penicillin.htm

Originally noticed by a French medical student, Ernest Duchesne, in 1896. Penicillin was re-discovered by bacteriologist Alexander Fleming working at St. Mary's Hospital in London in 1928

http://www.ox.ac.uk/research/medical_sciences/projects/penicillin.html

It was Alexander Fleming at St Mary’s Hospital Medical School who noticed a mould growing on a culture plate of bacteria one day in September 1928. Around the Penicillium notatum mould was a clear area where the colonies of bacteria appeared to have been dissolved. Fleming set about establishing the identity of the substance that was killing the bacteria, giving it the name ‘penicillin’. But Fleming only continued to study penicillin for a year or so, and he never got to the stage of purifying and testing its effects against bacterial infections when injected into a living animal or patient.

Howard Florey became Professor of Pathology at Oxford in 1935, moving into a splendid new department, the Sir William Dunn School of Pathology. Florey quickly recruited Ernst Chain to work with him, and they began to look at a range of substances that might have an effect on bacteria.

So the real story of Penicillin starts six years after Flemming. Pity the original guys didn't patent it first.

Capt'n Midnight · 09-05-2012 01:38PM

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

Napoleons was a winner for most his life then near the end he became soft and lost his principles.

Egypt, Portugal, Russia, Royal Navy, America

LittleBook · 09-05-2012 01:46PM

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

I think I'd have to go with Christian Bale too. He's a winner. The dedication he puts into movies is incredible. Just look at him in the machinist or the fighter compared to batman.

Burky126 wrote: »

I think you meant to say Daniel Day Lewis.His dedication to film is beyond a statement.

For Forks Sake wrote: »

Daniel Day-Lewis walks all over him in terms of dedication to roles.. http://www.totalfilm.com/news/first-look-at-daniel-day-lewis-s-abraham-lincoln

Pfft. Gary Sinise had his legs amputated for this one movie. Now that's "dedication".

Stiffler2 · 09-05-2012 03:17PM

It's gotta be Charlie Sheen , doesn't it ?

Doesn't give a F**K about anyone else or what anyone thinks.
He's always high or on a good buzz
endless amount of coke & hookers.

do I need to continue here, I think not...

Paparazzo · 09-05-2012 03:28PM

MidlandsM wrote: »

Ted Bundy............man, what a savage worker.

Don't forget 4 touchdowns in 1 game

Sindri · 09-05-2012 03:42PM

Chavways wrote: »

Hitler

Would Hitler have ever walked out on Germany?

I don't think so........?

Sindri · 09-05-2012 03:46PM

No one's mentioned Roy Keane?

For his winning attitude.

eyescreamcone · 09-05-2012 03:47PM

Joe Montana
Pat Spillane
Jimmy Barry-Murphy
Phil Neal
The Klitschko brothers
Ryan Giggs
Jose Mourinho
Pep Guardiola
Lance Armstrong
Steve Redgrave
Franz Beckanbauer
Trap

Michael Collins
Gandhi
Genghis Khan
Julius Caesar
Hannibal of Carthage
Alexander T. Great of Macedonia
Churchill

CruelCoin · 09-05-2012 03:50PM

Valentino Rossi - Motorcycle Racer

Has won every racing class he has ever entered.

Has multiple world championships under his belt.

Has a cult following who loves him for his sense of theatrics, and hard aggressive riding.

He is THE DADDY when it comes to motorcycle sport.

foxyboxer · 09-05-2012 04:25PM

Golfer Ben Hogan, a hard case from Texas.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Hogan

Witnessed his father shoot himself in the chest as a 9 year old, resulting in an introspective personality and incredibly determined individual, initially a rubbish touring pro with a terrible hook, dug his swing out of the dirt , inventing practice and defining the modern pro game, became renowned as the greatest ball striker of all time, dominated the game despite being labelled Bantam Ben due to his size, almost killed in a car crash after the war (coming back to win the US Open 18 months later), won 9 majors in all, more if he played in more than one British Open (which he also won) and the PGA wasn't a matchplay event at the time, collaborated on one of the definitive instruction manuals for the game, developed his own equipment manufacturing company all the while remaining incredibly modest and respectful to people and the game.

Jesus Wept · 09-05-2012 07:06PM

Have to give props to 50pence for the vitamin water thing, ship the loots.

Cassidy28 · 09-05-2012 07:13PM

Jason Plato - British touring car racing driver,and on fifth gear.

forfuxsake · 09-05-2012 07:18PM

Jan III Sobieski.

Seriously, if it weren't for him we would all be praying 5 times a day and trying to put up with 5 wives.

AgileMyth · 09-05-2012 07:42PM

Justin Bieber has had a tough auld life.

But with his huge financial backing and average recording voice he has persevered to become one of the most forgettable artists of the 21st century. Bravo young man, bravo.

Scanlas The 2nd · 09-05-2012 07:48PM

Can't believe I forgot Jose Mourinho, possibly the best manager of any field ever.

He has an uncanny ability at seeing true cause and effect, something which is often very difficult to accurately determine.

Another quality I believe many winners have is the deeply internalised understanding that they will die one day.

Fortune favours the bold, people are often too cautious and conservative, many people advised Obama to wait another four years before running for president. If he had done that the opportunity could have passed.

Jordan 199 · 09-05-2012 10:37PM

Michael Schumacher.

ScumLord · 09-05-2012 10:47PM

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

I admire Floyd Mayweather,

They often have the ability to focus intensely on reality and see things for what they are. They become comfortable with harsh realities and make the most of it.

While Mayweather is a great boxer he seems like he lives in a delusional land of self admiration. That may be a side effect of having to believe you'll always win in fighting but I don't think Floyd in particular focuses intensely on reality.

Greentopia · 10-05-2012 03:19AM

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

Forget about Americans. The fact of the matter is some people have traits that make them much more likely to succeed at their chosen field. Some people have a winning attitude where they find opportunity in a negative circumstance where others would feel sorry for themselves.

I would call that having a positive mental attitude and having self-belief, not a "winning" attitude. That word just sets my teeth on edge as it is such an American value. There's no getting away from that. It signifies a competitive dog-eat-dog attitude where you must be seen to be a winner in life (and the values of "winning" are of course status, money, power, bigger car, bigger house, having more 'stuff' than the next guy). None of the things which really matter which give any real qualitative value, depth or meaning in life.

If you say some people have a winning attitude then you in effect state that others must have a losing or loser attitude, and I think to categorise someone as such is mean and implies that the 'loser' (by the meritocratic values of the U.S.) only has him/herself to blame if they fail to be a winner by society's standards. That assumes that everyone is born equal and has equal opportunities to succeed in life because we live in a great meritocracy. That is not the case. Neither in the U.S. nor here.

I hate that those words have seeped into public consciousness and discourse here. Ten years ago I never heard anyone in this country call someone a winner or loser, now I hear it more and more and it makes me sad.

Oh and just in case you think I'm saying this because I'm a 'loser' in life-I'm not, not by my value system anyway. I love my life for the most part-not because of the things I have or for reasons of status or wealth but because I love my job as it is creative work I find fulfilling, gives me a living wage, and crucially-work that is under my own control. I have some good friends I can trust and rely on, and a loving mother. Oh and I have money left over when my bills are paid for a few Guinness now and again.
You know, all the important stuff.

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