Socialist Party/ULA Betrayal of the low paid PS...

Silvio.Dante · 05-05-2012 08:45PM #1

I am a Clerical Officer in the Civil Service and am an active member of the CPSU.

Like many low paid workers in my position I have in general supported my union's stance on actively protecting my T & C's of employment. All the while seeming to receive support from the like of The Socialist Party along the way.

In fact our union has a vocal SP infiltration with a Party member being one of the union treasurers and the An Post branch being an SP surrogate. I have no real problem with any of the above as in all instances they have been appointed fairly and in accordance with union rules.

However their stance on advocating a No vote baffles me. Like it or not 'we are where we are'. Voting Yes confirms our wages being paid. Voting No brings nothing but uncertainty, instability and another Greece on the horizon.

How voting No is better for me as a Clerical Officer is beyond rational thinking.

It tells me that the ULA/SP have another, bigger, agenda. My own personal view is that they want chaos on the streets. 'Social Revolution' if you like and will go to any lengths to get their goal. If that means stabbing Civil Servants in the back to get it then so be it.

I expect betrayal from our political elites. Now its just another let down, this time from the wolves in sheeps clothing within our own union...

darkman2 · 05-05-2012 09:09PM

Well put OP and make sure you spread that message to other Union members if you can. These people are nuts.

If you don't believe me do a google search for "Joe Higgins" and "Liverpool" and see what happened to Liverpool council workers in the 80's when the socialists got most of the seats. To cut a long story short as soon as they got in they began hiring an extra 30,000 people to the council and built loads of schools and libraries and things. Within one year they ran out of money and tried to threaten Westminster to make up the difference. They didn't and the council went bankrupt and alot of those workers were sacked.

It's the same lunacy as this crowd here. Only here it's even more deadly because we are a sovereign state. We have no backup if people like this got near the balance of power.

Joe Higgins is crazy. I have no qualms saying that. He is. And so are his associates/comrades. Anybody who takes the SP seriously has a screw loose or is just not thinking hard enough. And you are absolutely right - the only thing Boyd Barrett and the rest of them want is social instability. Their politics are dangerous.

I'm no Sinn Féin supporter but even i'd take them any day of the week ahead of the SP/ULA. They seem very sane in comparison. Public sector workers, IMO, are not served well by infiltration from that lot because their agenda is to foster discontent.

woodoo · 05-05-2012 09:37PM

The socialist party and the ULA get very little votes for a reason. People don't put credence in their policies.

BOHtox · 05-05-2012 10:42PM

I have to laugh at people like Richard Boyd Barret. When asked how he would close the 10 billion deficit in 2014, he would introduce a load of tax that would drive any wealth out of the country and this amounted to 5 billion. He then rounded this figure up to 10 billion and continued advocating a no vote. The whole far left are a bunch of chancers!

Jaysoose · 05-05-2012 11:03PM

You are not low paid you are paid according to the skills needed and qualifications that are relevant to your position.

Most people would argue you are overpaid for the job you do.

UDAWINNER · 05-05-2012 11:07PM

Isn't the CPSU advocating a no vote.
Could swear i read this exact thread on politics.ie.

washman3 · 05-05-2012 11:10PM

So OP if you vote yes, what exactly will you be voting for?? have the government told you what?? and if so, do you believe them?

Silvio.Dante · 05-05-2012 11:25PM

UDAWINNER wrote: »

Isn't the CPSU advocating a no vote.

Correct...

Silvio.Dante · 05-05-2012 11:27PM

washman3 wrote: »

So OP if you vote yes, what exactly will you be voting for?? have the government told you what?? and if so, do you believe them?

Yes.

Voting No brings a storm of chaos, uncertainty and despair. Just what the Socialist Party really wants...

darkman2 · 05-05-2012 11:33PM

Well the "no" side can talk all the nonsense they like but this is the be all and end all.

http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/GIGB9YR:IND

That is our sovereign borrowing interest rate on our benchmark bond. We are trying to return to the market so we don't have to abide by the strict conditions laid down by the lender of last resort and we can be sovereign again. To do that our yields have to be below 5%. You can see how close we are. We are way ahead of the other bailout countries. Portugal is twice our yield for example. They are already condemed to a new bailout.

The reason why a "No" vote will guarantee another bailout and harsher conditions and austerity is that the minute the market gets word of the vote that yield will rocket again to levels that we will not be able to contain prior to the end of the current bailout. It's as simple as that.

This is the real world not the world of make believe from the "No" side. You want to take that risk with your future, with your children's future? That graph in that link is all that matters if we want to regain economic independence.

That's it. There is nothing to argue about. Be stupid and vote "No" if you like but you will pay the price. The world is not a land of milk and honey. We don't have the room to fúck around like in previous treaties.

06-05-2012 12:57AM

I thought the Socialist Party and the Socialist Workers Party (registered owners of the People Before Profit brand) hated each other?

The Socialist Party is a Trotskyist party affiliated to the Committee for a Workers' International. The Socialist Workers Party is a Trotskyist party affiliated to the International Socialist Tendency.

I haven't the faintest idea what the difference between them is, apart from the fact that the Socialist Party uses its own name on election posters instead of a brand name. I haven't a clue why they aren't one Socialist party and affiliated to one international Socialist grouping.

All sounds a bit People's Front of Judea, if you ask me. :rolleyes:

thecommietommy · 06-05-2012 08:21AM

Silvio.Dante wrote: »

I am a Clerical Officer in the Civil Service and am an active member of the CPSU.

Like many low paid workers in my position I have in general supported my union's stance on actively protecting my T & C's of employment. All the while seeming to receive support from the like of The Socialist Party along the way.

In fact our union has a vocal SP infiltration with a Party member being one of the union treasurers and the An Post branch being an SP surrogate. I have no real problem with any of the above as in all instances they have been appointed fairly and in accordance with union rules.

However their stance on advocating a No vote baffles me. Like it or not 'we are where we are'. Voting Yes confirms our wages being paid. Voting No brings nothing but uncertainty, instability and another Greece on the horizon.

How voting No is better for me as a Clerical Officer is beyond rational thinking.

It tells me that the ULA/SP have another, bigger, agenda. My own personal view is that they want chaos on the streets. 'Social Revolution' if you like and will go to any lengths to get their goal. If that means stabbing Civil Servants in the back to get it then so be it.

I expect betrayal from our political elites. Now its just another let down, this time from the wolves in sheeps clothing within our own union...

Another party political broadcast on behalf of FG/Labour/FF :rolleyes:

RandomName2 · 06-05-2012 08:44AM

Silvio.Dante wrote: »

Voting No brings a storm of chaos, uncertainty and despair.

washman3 · 06-05-2012 10:16AM

Silvio.Dante wrote: »

Yes.

Voting No brings a storm of chaos, uncertainty and despair. Just what the Socialist Party really wants...

When i read your original post i was almost fooled for a moment.
But well done,nice try,was fairly convincing. A lower ranking public servant beginning to "see through" the left's arguement.
As pointed out by another poster, "another party political broadcast"
Nothing more.

Silvio.Dante · 06-05-2012 10:26AM

thecommietommy wrote: »

Another party political broadcast on behalf of FG/Labour/FF :rolleyes:

And common sense, low paid Public Servants...

washman3 · 06-05-2012 10:41AM

Silvio.Dante wrote: »

And common sense, low paid Public Servants...

Galwayguy35 · 06-05-2012 10:45AM

Silvio.Dante wrote: »

I am a Clerical Officer in the Civil Service and am an active member of the CPSU.

Like many low paid workers in my position I have in general supported my union's stance on actively protecting my T & C's of employment. All the while seeming to receive support from the like of The Socialist Party along the way.

In fact our union has a vocal SP infiltration with a Party member being one of the union treasurers and the An Post branch being an SP surrogate. I have no real problem with any of the above as in all instances they have been appointed fairly and in accordance with union rules.

However their stance on advocating a No vote baffles me. Like it or not 'we are where we are'. Voting Yes confirms our wages being paid. Voting No brings nothing but uncertainty, instability and another Greece on the horizon.

How voting No is better for me as a Clerical Officer is beyond rational thinking.

It tells me that the ULA/SP have another, bigger, agenda. My own personal view is that they want chaos on the streets. 'Social Revolution' if you like and will go to any lengths to get their goal. If that means stabbing Civil Servants in the back to get it then so be it.

I expect betrayal from our political elites. Now its just another let down, this time from the wolves in sheeps clothing within our own union...

You need look no further than the debate on TV3 when Higgins was asked straight out where the money was to come from if we vote no, he ignored the question.

PeadarCo · 06-05-2012 12:11PM

thecommietommy wrote: »

Another party political broadcast on behalf of FG/Labour/FF :rolleyes:

This the problem with the no side attack the person and ignore the arguement put forward. What is wrong with the OP's comments.

Can anybody on the no side explain where they expect to get the money to run the country and make up the gap between spending and tax's without any form of austerity? Given that one reason Fianna Fail and the banks got away with what they did was use the money from the bubble to increase wages,social welfare etc. to unsustainable levels.

Also how does annoying our main trading partners do anything for a country that is relying on a successful resolution to the current crisis to reduce the amount of cuts required?

Head The Wall · 06-05-2012 01:42PM

The so called low paid PS worker has a starting wage 15% higher than I was getting paid as an extrusion operator in one of the hi tech medical device companies that is keeping the Irish economy ticking over. I was manufacturing life saving equipment and the low paid PS worker does a bit of paper shuffling for more money, there's something wrong somewhere.

The OP has stated around a year ago that he was earning around 25k for photocopying etc and his gross pay at the time was greater than when he started because of increments even after the paycut and pension levy.

PS workers are not lower paid, in fact they are overpaid for what the majority of them do. That is what is wrong with the op's post.

Silvio.Dante · 06-05-2012 04:51PM

Head The Wall wrote: »

The so called low paid PS worker has a starting wage 15% higher than I was getting paid as an extrusion operator in one of the hi tech medical device companies that is keeping the Irish economy ticking over. I was manufacturing life saving equipment and the low paid PS worker does a bit of paper shuffling for more money, there's something wrong somewhere.

The OP has stated around a year ago that he was earning around 25k for photocopying etc and his gross pay at the time was greater than when he started because of increments even after the paycut and pension levy.

PS workers are not lower paid, in fact they are overpaid for what the majority of them do. That is what is wrong with the op's post.

I'm on less money Nett than when I started despite coming up to my 5th increment...

Dirk Gently · 06-05-2012 05:10PM

Must be nice to get to vote on ring-fencing your wages.

Silvio.Dante · 06-05-2012 05:26PM

Dirk Gently wrote: »

Must be nice to get to vote on ring-fencing your wages.

A No vote will guarantee our wages being savaged, Greece style...

washman3 · 06-05-2012 05:52PM

Silvio.Dante wrote: »

A No vote will guarantee our wages being savaged, Greece style...

A vote either way will see your wages savaged, EU style.
The party is over,get over it.
FYI the Fiscal Compact Treaty is, and has been,dead in the water for many weeks now. The result either way is immaterial. Total waste of money.
Has anybody told you that.?

Dirk Gently · 06-05-2012 05:57PM

Silvio.Dante wrote: »

A No vote will guarantee our wages being savaged, Greece style...

Mine already were, didn't get a vote on it either.

Silvio.Dante · 06-05-2012 05:59PM

washman3 wrote: »

A vote either way will see your wages savaged, EU style.
The party is over,get over it.
FYI the Fiscal Compact Treaty is, and has been,dead in the water for many weeks now. The result either way is immaterial. Total waste of money.
Has anybody told you that.?

there are difficult times ahead after aYes vote byt they will be well flagged and we will have time to fight each battle accordingly.

A No vote will leave Public Servants up the creek without a paddle.

I know which scenario I prefer...

Head The Wall · 06-05-2012 06:39PM

Silvio.Dante wrote: »

I'm on less money Nett than when I started despite coming up to my 5th increment...

So what, PS don't mind using gross wage levels to compare against the private sector but try and use net when it suits ye. Make up your minds, nobody with a brain uses their net wages for comparisons.

Why don't you deal with the rest of the details in my post

washman3 · 06-05-2012 06:40PM

Silvio.Dante wrote: »

there are difficult times ahead after aYes vote byt they will be well flagged and we will have time to fight each battle accordingly.

A No vote will leave Public Servants up the creek without a paddle.

I know which scenario I prefer...

Think we should change the thread title to:
The European Fiscal Compact Treaty explained. (by somebody who is voting yes);)

Silvio.Dante · 06-05-2012 06:55PM

Head The Wall wrote: »

So what, PS don't mind using gross wage levels to compare against the private sector but try and use net when it suits ye. Make up your minds, nobody with a brain uses their net wages for comparisons.

Why don't you deal with the rest of the details in my post

I'm only stating facts dude.

The rest of your post went on about you being paid peanuts. A case for getting union recognition if I ever saw it...:)

RandomName2 · 06-05-2012 08:30PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

You need look no further than the debate on TV3 when Higgins was asked straight out where the money was to come from if we vote no, he ignored the question.

From taxes.

Exactly the same place that it will come from if we vote yes.

Jaysus. :pac:

Silvio.Dante wrote: »

A No vote will guarantee our wages being savaged, Greece style...

This is the Fiscal Compact Treaty and has nothing to do with the Croke Park agreement (unfortunately)

Head The Wall · 07-05-2012 07:24AM

Silvio.Dante wrote: »

I'm only stating facts dude.

The rest of your post went on about you being paid peanuts. A case for getting union recognition if I ever saw it...:)

I wasn't stating that actually, but you wouldn't see that as you think you are worth what you get paid. Maybe you should transfer your clerical officer skills to the private sector and see what salary you would get. That would clarify to you that lower paid PS staff are actually overpaid

Silvio.Dante · 07-05-2012 08:33AM

Head The Wall wrote: »

I wasn't stating that actually, but you wouldn't see that as you think you are worth what you get paid. Maybe you should transfer your clerical officer skills to the private sector and see what salary you would get. That would clarify to you that lower paid PS staff are actually overpaid

So in essence you want everyone to be on peanuts with shi'ite T & C's of employment.

no thanks...

Socialist Party/ULA Betrayal of the low paid PS...

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