Munster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread.

profitius · 03-05-2012 11:22PM

So there would be matches like Munster vs Leinster in the ITM cup?

Amazotheamazing · 04-05-2012 12:54AM

profitius wrote: »

So there would be matches like Munster vs Leinster in the ITM cup?

The people wouldn't be as good looking but sure, why not.

slievenamon fella · 04-05-2012 12:58AM

wil tommy o d ever make it an d become an established starter? interested to see what people hav to say as im a neighbour of his and are unsure myself,this season he has seemed to step up a level

Amazotheamazing · 04-05-2012 01:03AM

slievenamon fella wrote: »

wil tommy o d ever make it an d become an established starter? interested to see what people hav to say as im a neighbour of his and are unsure myself,this season he has seemed to step up a level

Has gotten some bad knocks this season. He needs to add more power to his game but that could be said of every Munster young gun at the minute. He's done ok this season but too early to say if he'll ever be first choice (which in it's own way says a lot, POM was clearly going to be first choice at some position or other within a matter of time).

Tbf though, Munster have been all over the place this season, in part due to injuries, that it's bordering unfair to judge any of the guys trying to break into the team.

CatFromHue · 04-05-2012 01:06AM

Just reading in The Times that ROG and Earls are out of this weekends game. They still haven't got over the injuries they picked up in the HEC QF.

slievenamon fella · 04-05-2012 01:07AM

hopefuuly now with david wallace gone now he can stay injury free and get a few more games next year

Amazotheamazing · 04-05-2012 01:10AM

CatFromHue wrote: »

Just reading in The Times that ROG and Earls are out of this weekends game. They still haven't got over the injuries they picked up in the HEC QF.

You'd wonder if both were even fit for that game.

Frankly, I'm ****ing sick of Ireland injuring Earls, he's played very little for Munster this season (and possibly last season too).

slievenamon fella · 04-05-2012 01:13AM

ya they most likely wernt..shows how much faith they have in the likes of keatly and others

Amazotheamazing · 04-05-2012 01:13AM

slievenamon fella wrote: »

hopefuuly now with david wallace gone now he can stay injury free and get a few more games next year

A lot will depend on Rob Penney I think. He's effectively going to have to rebuild our backrow now we've no prospect of ever seeing Wallace again and Leamy might be forced to retire too.

Of all our prospects or current players, only POM, the backrower who gets concussed every game, is good enough. Coughlan is an honest pro but that's all and DOCv2.0, Butler, TOD, Holland etc are unproven (at best).

CatFromHue · 04-05-2012 01:14AM

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

You'd wonder if both were even fit for that game.

Frankly, I'm ****ing sick of Ireland injuring Earls, he's played very little for Munster this season (and possibly last season too).

Was he not fit for the Leinster game the week before the HEC QF and wasn't the other Leinster game at the start of the season where he picked up his first injury of the season?

Amazotheamazing · 04-05-2012 01:16AM

slievenamon fella wrote: »

ya they most likely wernt..shows how much faith they have in the likes of keatly and others

We'll never know but Earls didn't look right against Leinster. Nor for that matter did Varley who was continually getting treatment. Has he featured much since the quarter final?

Given the rate of injuries, I wonder did we mess up our physical training somewhere a la RWC 2007?

Amazotheamazing · 04-05-2012 01:19AM

CatFromHue wrote: »

Was he not fit for the Leinster game the week before the HEC QF and wasn't the other Leinster game at the start of the season where he picked up his first injury of the season?

He got treatment and hobbled off at the end of the first half against Leinster, was surprised to see he come back on but eventually he was subbed off, iirc. Might be that he got a bang in the game but his season has been a write off from a Munster perspective.

That being said, I can't wait to see him with proper backs coaching. His passing has really improved this season, actually giving him useable ball would be nice.

slievenamon fella · 04-05-2012 01:21AM

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

We'll never know but Earls didn't look right against Leinster. Nor for that matter did Varley who was continually getting treatment. Has he featured much since the quarter final?

Given the rate of injuries, I wonder did we mess up our physical training somewhere a la RWC 2007?

varley featured the wee after the qf against glasgow but hasnt played since

Amazotheamazing · 04-05-2012 01:24AM

slievenamon fella wrote: »

varley featured the wee after the qf against glasgow but hasnt played since

He was always likely to lose his place to Sherry eventually but I'd say there might be more to it. If reports on planet rugby about Cronin are true then both could end up touring with Ireland this summer.

slievenamon fella · 04-05-2012 01:30AM

the experience would do them good,although i dont feel their up to an international standard,think carr would be a great addition to munster if they could get him imo

Amazotheamazing · 04-05-2012 01:42AM

slievenamon fella wrote: »

the experience would do them good,although i dont feel their up to an international standard,think carr would be a great addition to munster if they could get him imo

At the risk of being mean to Carr he's just an older version of Zebo, great going forward but prone to getting lost on the pitch and defensively suspect. If Schmidt can't improve him I doubt whoever we get in as backs coach could do any better.

In Jones, Zebo, Earls, and O'Dea we've a few guys with decent pace, what we need is a backs coach who can use them.

slievenamon fella · 04-05-2012 01:52AM

ya thinking like that your right,but keatly has to be first choice fh from the begining of next season,by keeping o gara it is only delaying the rebuilding of the backline

Amazotheamazing · 04-05-2012 02:10AM

slievenamon fella wrote: »

ya thinking like that your right,but keatly has to be first choice fh from the begining of next season,by keeping o gara it is only delaying the rebuilding of the backline

It'll be interesting to see what Penney does with O'Gara. He's on the way out but he's still a massive player in the squad, and Keatley is still very inconsistent. It's completely unpredictable I think. All eyes on JJ Hanrahan I guess.

touts · 04-05-2012 06:54AM

thomond2006 wrote: »

http://rugby-transfers.blogspot.com/2011/09/munster-2012-13.html

Details of Munster's transfers so far.

Thanks.

So to sum it all up the changes so far from this year's squad to next year's squad are:

Out
Jerry Flannery - Hooker
Denis Fogarty - Hooker
John Hayes - Hooker
Peter Borlase - Prop
Mick O'Driscoll - 2nd Row
David Wallace - Backrow
Tomás O'Leary - Scrum Half
Declan Cusack - Outhalf
Lifeimi Mafi - Inside Centre
Will Chambers/Save Tokula - Outside Centre (lets count them as one)

In
Sean Dougall - Backrow
James Downey - Inside Centre
Casey Laulala - Outside Centre
Plus promotions from the Academy and underage setup.

Lelantos · 04-05-2012 08:08AM

touts wrote: »

thomond2006 wrote: »

http://rugby-transfers.blogspot.com/2011/09/munster-2012-13.html

Details of Munster's transfers so far.

Thanks.

So to sum it all up the changes so far from this year's squad to next year's squad are:

Out
Jerry Flannery - Hooker
Denis Fogarty - Hooker
John Hayes - Hooker
Peter Borlase - Prop
Mick O'Driscoll - 2nd Row
David Wallace - Backrow
Tomás O'Leary - Scrum Half
Declan Cusack - Outhalf
Lifeimi Mafi - Inside Centre
Will Chambers/Save Tokula - Outside Centre (lets count them as one)

In
Sean Dougall - Backrow
James Downey - Inside Centre
Casey Laulala - Outside Centre
Plus promotions from the Academy and underage setup.

Has Borlase been released? Hadn't heard that one

leftleg · 04-05-2012 09:33AM

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/munster-coach-gets-injunction-3098164.html

Interesting stuff

Junior · 04-05-2012 10:00AM

leftleg wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/munster-coach-gets-injunction-3098164.html

Interesting stuff

One step forward with Munster, two steps back. They do well to appoint a manager in a professional and modern manner and they turn around and do that.. *sigh*

theKramer · 04-05-2012 10:03AM

Reported in d'paper that backs coach Holland is not being retained. Dont like being mean, but thank Christ

A day after announcing Munster got their man, in the imposing shape of 48-year-old Penney, subject to a work permit and following the conclusion of his tenure as New Zealand U20 coach at the Junior World Championships in South Africa next month, Fitzgerald confirmed the exits at the end of this season of team manager Shaun Payne and backs coach Jason Holland.

South African Payne, a Heineken Cup winner with Munster in 2006, is leaving to pursue business interests while two-time European runner-up Holland will not have his contract renewed this summer.

Fishooks12 · 04-05-2012 10:17AM

theKramer wrote: »

Reported in d'paper that backs coach Holland is not being retained. Dont like being mean, but thank Christ

Good news tbh

Cookiemunster · 04-05-2012 11:46AM

Junior wrote: »

One step forward with Munster, two steps back. They do well to appoint a manager in a professional and modern manner and they turn around and do that.. *sigh*

Bit of a longer article here http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/munster-coach-wins-injunction-to-prevent-dismissal-192730.html
It's a strange one alright, but surely everyone in the backroom staff would be employed on a contract basis and not as a permanent employee? Seeing as he only came on board permanently in 2006 I can't see how he could be working on anything other than 2 or 3 year contracts?

Junior · 04-05-2012 12:04PM

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Bit of a longer article here http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/munster-coach-wins-injunction-to-prevent-dismissal-192730.html
It's a strange one alright, but surely everyone in the backroom staff would be employed on a contract basis and not as a permanent employee? Seeing as he only came on board permanently in 2006 I can't see how he could be working on anything other than 2 or 3 year contracts?

Very unprofessionally handled from what I'm reading there.

budhabob · 04-05-2012 12:06PM

Munster: F Jones; J Murphy, I Dineen, L Mafi, S Zebo; I Keatley, C Murray; W du Preez, M Sherry, BJ Botha; M O'Driscoll, P O'Connell; D Ryan, T O'Donnell, P O'Mahony.
Replacements: D Varley, D Kilcoyne, S Archer, D O'Callaghan, P Butler, T O'Leary, S Deasy, K Earls.
http://www.munsterrugby.ie/news/10454.php

Good to see the likes of Dineen get game time on the back of decent appearances. I was under the impression Earls is injured, odd that he is on the bench if not 100% fit.
Also good to see Kilkoyne is seen as the back up LH over Horan.

leftleg · 04-05-2012 12:07PM

Seems to me like Munster CEO Fitzgerald and his advisors have chanced there arm on this one without actually going through the correct protocols in releasing him properly.

04-05-2012 12:14PM

leftleg wrote: »

Seems to me like Munster CEO Fitzgerald and his advisors have chanced there arm on this one without actually going through the correct protocols in releasing him properly.

Contract Law will sort it out, don't think many of us are qualified to comment on it.

From a personal perspective, I can understand the wishes to change coaching staff, and that the new Head Coach should have authority to choose his own from candidates, but if there are contracts signed then they should be kept to. A mistake could've been made in not having certain provisos in the contracts given to staff regarding these eventualities.

Amazotheamazing · 04-05-2012 12:30PM

leftleg wrote: »

Seems to me like Munster CEO Fitzgerald and his advisors have chanced there arm on this one without actually going through the correct protocols in releasing him properly.

You never really know without seeing the various contracts etc. Is it an ex parte injuction?

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