Osama bin Laden was told Ireland was 'ready for Islam'

Coldm Gds · 04-05-2012 11:31AM #1

Osama bin Laden was urged by a fellow leading al-Qa'ida member to send a message to the Irish people to urge them to convert to Islam. New files removed from Bin Laden's compound reveal how Ireland was occupying the mind of top al-Qa'ida leaders.

Adam Gadahn, al-Qa'ida's American-born spin doctor, proposed an ambitious new front in the global jihad in January of last year.

He called for the group to "prepare a message for the Irish" who he said tended to be sympathetic to the cause of the Palestinians.

He also noted "the increasing anger in Ireland towards the Catholic Church" after "sex scandals and others" and urged the group to persuade the disenchanted to turn to Islam rather than secularism.

Being "historically the prominent enemies of the Jews", Mr Gadahn said, Catholics offered "fertile ground".

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/republic-of-ireland/osama-bin-laden-was-told-ireland-was-ready-for-islam-16154076.html

Seems that even Bin Laden and his crew could see what many Irish still refuse to see - that they have all but aligned themselves with Islamic terrorism.

Not content with having covertly aligned themselves with the last global threat (Nazism) they now seem inseparable from Islamic fascism.

So Al Qaeda saw Ireland as fertile ground given the rabid anti-Israel ideology, simmering Jew-hatred (sometimes outright blatant anti-semitism) and general propensity to support every nut job gangsters and terrorists around the world.

I mean, with Ireland being the most hostile nation in Europe towards Israel and having street performances where Israeli soldiers are presented as Nazi troops - Al Qaeda must have looked at your tin pot nation and thought "oh Allah jalala, this lot are even more crazy than us....let's sign them up to our cause".

I always think you can get a good feeling for a nation and a people by who their friends and enemies are. Ireland gave Nazis shelter and were allied to the Germans in WWI. Now we see Al Qaeda was attracted to Ireland.

In contrast, Israel can be proud of the enemies they have made. All dictatorships, corrupt religious fanatic regimes and the like.

You lay with dogs you get fleas. You guys must be itching like mad about now.

mike65 · 04-05-2012 11:39AM

And there was I thinking this could be an amusing thread about al-Qa'idas bizarre understanding of the Irish.

That said this bit is certainly true

Being "historically the prominent enemies of the Jews"

wes · 04-05-2012 11:40AM

Oh what a load of nonsense. Al Qaeda had a lot hair brained schemes in the pipe line, and if you read the other papers, they were having trouble controlling the other self proclaimed Al Qaeda affliates, and they were even planning on a rebranding strategy, as they and there affliates had a habit of killing Muslims, who turned against them. FFS, we are talking about a group, who claimed to be saving Muslims against the great satan, but had a habit of blowing up any Muslim who didn't follow the exact same extremist ideology they did. Plenty of Sufi Shrines, and various attacks on Shia's in Pakistan for example, show how utterly stupid these guys were.

Basically, Osama knew full well, how completely he had failed imho.

A crazy hair brained scheme proves very little.

Also, many of your own comment are utter nonsense, and screaming Anti-semitism, when someone makes perfectly valid criticism of Israel has gotten very old. Especially considering Israels own openly racist policies towards Palestinians.

Coldm Gds · 04-05-2012 11:42AM

wes wrote: »

Oh what a load of nonsense. Al Qaeda had a lot hair brained schemes in the pipe line, and if you read the other papers, they were having trouble controlling the other self proclaimed Al Qaeda affliates, and they were even planning on a rebranding strategy, as they and there affliates had a habit of killing Muslims, who turned against them.

Basically, Osama knew full well, how completely he had failed imho.

A crazy hair brained scheme proves very little.

Also, many of your own comment are utter nonsense, and screaming Anti-semitism, when someone make perfectly valid criticism of Israel has gotten very old. Especially considering Israel own openly racist policies towards Palestinians.

Could you explain why Bin Laden and AQ picked Ireland out of all the nations they could have picked?

What was it in Ireland that made them choose the Irish instead of say, the Canadians?

Could it be the propensity for anti-semitism, virulent anti-Israel diatribes and a penchant for supporting terrorist groups like Hamas, ETA and FARC?

seamus · 04-05-2012 11:47AM

Coldm Gds wrote: »

Seems that even Bin Laden and his crew could see what many Irish still refuse to see - that they have all but aligned themselves with Islamic terrorism.

Not content with having covertly aligned themselves with the last global threat (Nazism) they now seem inseparable from Islamic fascism.

So Al Qaeda saw Ireland as fertile ground given the rabid anti-Israel ideology, simmering Jew-hatred (sometimes outright blatant anti-semitism) and general propensity to support every nut job gangsters and terrorists around the world.

What both you and Al-Qaeda have failed to recognise is that the vast majority of Irish people recognise that Israel is not "Judaism" and you can protest against Israel without bearing any ill will towards Jewish people.

There is little or no anti-semitism in this country. Our minister for justice is a well-known and very popular Jew. We do however generally have an issue with the ongoing and brutal treatment of the Palestinians by a very oppressive and racist regime in Israel.

Isreal is not a "with us or against us" issue. Condemning the actions of Israel is not showing tacit support for Hamas or Islamic militants.

Of course, when you're so ingrained in an "us versus them" mentality, it's impossible to imagine that anyone could be in a 3rd group who condemns you both equally.

It parallels the fight in the North in many ways, where everybody was categorised as either a Brit-hating Catholic, or an Irish-hating Prod, even if you weren't even born in the country.
Indeed, much of the support for Israel is likely due to people drawing parallels between the two and feeling more sympathy for those who were displaced, rather than for those who are the invading force.

But that still doesn't mean that Ireland hates Jews, or Ireland loves Muslims. If anything, you will find that Irish people are far more negative about muslims than about jews. In fact, the man on the street probably feels more negative towards protestants than towards jews.

wes · 04-05-2012 11:51AM

Coldm Gds wrote: »

Could you explain why Bin Laden and AQ picked Ireland out of all the nations they could have picked?

What was it in Ireland that made them choose the Irish instead of say, the Canadians?

It was a proposal from Adam Gadahn, and you selectively quoted the article, they also say the following:

"What helped to prepare the message was the last economic crisis that affected Ireland a lot, thus forcing its youth to look for sources of living in the outside," writes Mr Gadahn.

"The other matter is the increasing anger in Ireland towards the Catholic Church after exposing a number of sex scandals and others," he adds.

The document says that Irish people, "who were the most religious of atheist Europe," are moving towards secularism.

"Why do not we face them with Islam?" asks Mr Gadahn.

Read more: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/republic-of-ireland/osama-bin-laden-was-told-ireland-was-ready-for-islam-16154076.html#ixzz1ttuBP9zh

As you can see, they offer a bunch of other reasons, beyond your own Israel obsessed reading of things. You clearly slanted thing one way.

Again, this was just another hair brained scheme from a group, that was considering changing its name, as it was killing far too many of the people they claimed to represent.

Coldm Gds wrote: »

Could it be the propensity for anti-semitism, virulent anti-Israel diatribes and a penchant for supporting terrorist groups like Hamas, ETA and FARC?

It was a hair brained scheme, and you ignored the multiple other reason quoted in the article you yourself posted. You have a clear agenda, and have slanted the information through selective quoting to back your claim up. Very easily spotted, considering the article you posted yourself offers up several more reasons for the crazy scheme, which btw never got off the ground, and was clearly on of the many things they considered, that didn't get off the ground that we now know about.

Coldm Gds · 04-05-2012 11:56AM

seamus wrote: »

What both you and Al-Qaeda have failed to recognise is that the vast majority of Irish people recognise that Israel is not "Judaism" and you can protest against Israel without bearing any ill will towards Jewish people.

There is little or no anti-semitism in this country. Our minister for justice is a well-known and very popular Jew. We do however generally have an issue with the ongoing and brutal treatment of the Palestinians by a very oppressive and racist regime in Israel.

Isreal is not a "with us or against us" issue. Condemning the actions of Israel is not showing tacit support for Hamas or Islamic militants.

Of course, when you're so ingrained in an "us versus them" mentality, it's impossible to imagine that anyone could be in a 3rd group who condemns you both equally.

It parallels the fight in the North in many ways, where everybody was categorised as either a Brit-hating Catholic, or an Irish-hating Prod, even if you weren't even born in the country.
Indeed, much of the support for Israel is likely due to people drawing parallels between the two and feeling more sympathy for those who were displaced, rather than for those who are the invading force.

But that still doesn't mean that Ireland hates Jews, or Ireland loves Muslims. If anything, you will find that Irish people are far more negative about muslims than about jews. In fact, the man on the street probably feels more negative towards protestants than towards jews.

Interesting that out of all the nations on earth that the Irish could protest against, they chose one of the smallest nations that 'coincidentally' happens to be a Jewish state.

I mean, the Irish could have chosen say...Iran for example, China, Russia - where killing human rights lawyers and anti-government journalists is common place.

But no, the Irish decided to focus their moral indignation towards little old Israel.

As for the racism aspect, you'll excuse me if I choke on my coffee when I hear an Irishman condemning others for being racist. It's like a serial rapist pointing the finger at a bloke he's caught looking down a lady's cleavage.

Hannibal · 04-05-2012 12:02PM

Coldm Gds wrote: »

Could you explain why Bin Laden and AQ picked Ireland out of all the nations they could have picked?

What was it in Ireland that made them choose the Irish instead of say, the Canadians?

Could it be the propensity for anti-semitism, virulent anti-Israel diatribes and a penchant for supporting terrorist groups like Hamas, ETA and FARC?

It is not "anti-semetic" to support the Palestinians, and by supporting the Palestinians does not mean you are anti Jewish or that you support Hamas.

Historically the Irish were an oppressed people who had their lands plundered by an overly aggressive and brutal invader. Many who have worked on conflict resolution here and support the Palestinian cause can see that what the Israeli's are doing at present is never going to lead to a solution or to peace.

It is very easy to become anti-Israeli when you look at what they are inflicting on the Palestinian people, the Israeli's should have a better understanding of what they are inflicting on the Palestinian people when they look into their own recent history.

We do not have a "penchant" for supporting groups like Hamas, ETA or the FARC. There is nothing wrong with supporting the Basque or Palestinian peoples fight for freedom but it does not mean you support the methods some groups are willing to go in the fight for freedom.

You obviously fell into the same trap as al-Qaeda and can't tell the difference between the support of end goals against the support of individual groups methods.

FergusODowd · 04-05-2012 12:05PM

Just move to conclusion and skip the conversion and practice bit :

Sure we're already lapsed a la carte Muslims.

Does Osama not know how the Irish work ?

seamus · 04-05-2012 12:06PM

Coldm Gds wrote: »

I mean, the Irish could have chosen say...Iran for example, China, Russia - where killing human rights lawyers and anti-government journalists is common place.

They do. Have a look around and you'll see plenty of Irish protests against what's happening in plenty of countries around the world.

Of course, since your only quest is to paint anyone who says a bad word about Israel as anti-semite, you will have missed these.

It's true; the cause in Israel has grabbed a little more focus than other issues, but that's down to historical sympathies rather than anything else. When the Palestinians were forced out of their land at the end of World War II, it struck a chord with many Irish because the issue of Northern Ireland was still very raw in Ireland.

It was nothing to do with the jews, it was all to do with the injustice which was seen where millions of people were being violently removed from their homes to make way for people who had no rightful claim to that land. Which is exactly what had happened in Ireland with the plantations. So you can see why Irish people felt a kinship with those displaced.

What makes you think it had anything to do with religion other than the fact that many Israelis happen to be jewish and many palestinians happen to be muslim?

As for the racism aspect, you'll excuse me if I choke on my coffee when I hear an Irishman condemning others for being racist. It's like a serial rapist pointing the finger at a bloke he's caught looking down a lady's cleavage.gl

So because I'm Irish and other Irish people have been racist, then I'm a hypocrit for pointing out that Israel has a racist policy.

I love the irony that you would accuse me of racism by displaying an extraordinary amount of racism on your part.

Next you'll be claiming that the Irish hate America because America supports Israel.

Coldm Gds · 04-05-2012 12:08PM

So far all we have had as offerings from the Irish/Islamic contributors is the same old "wat dem der Izraelis do is bad the palestinianz never do bad things. dey are o'pressed just like us"

So thus far we've had feeble attempts to deflect away from the fact the world's most prominent terrorist viewed you guys out of every nation on earth, as potential allies.

seamus · 04-05-2012 12:12PM

Coldm Gds wrote: »

So far all we have had as offerings from the Irish/Islamic contributors is the same old "wat dem der Izraelis do is bad the palestinianz never do bad things. dey are o'pressed just like us"

And pretty much all you've done is ignore what's been written because you only see what you want to see.

Quote one post which has claimed that the Palestinians have never done anything wrong.

So thus far we've had feeble attempts to deflect away from the fact the world's most prominent terrorist viewed you guys out of every nation on earth, as potential allies.

So? It just goes to show that they ran intelligence operations much like you would expect of any militia, and they got it wrong a lot of the time. Like most intelligence agencies do.

The Americans actually allied with this man and gave him a ****-tonne of arms and military training. That must mean America is anti-semite and hates Israel too.

Oh wait...

Ravenid · 04-05-2012 12:17PM

Coldm Gds quick question.

Did you create this account because you read something in the Belfast Telegraph and decided "I know I'll take this and try and start Trolling an Irish based board."

Coldm Gds · 04-05-2012 12:18PM

FergusODowd wrote: »

Just move to conclusion and skip the conversion and practice bit :

Sure we're already lapsed a la carte Muslims.

Does Osama not know how the Irish work ?

You lapped up the Catholicism bull**** which resulted in widespread noncery and abuse of women's rights.

So why not Islam?

Let's just have a check list here.

Treating women like crap - Well, Islam is the epitome of this. The Irish like to confiscate passports of pregnant Irish women. Can you tell me what the global reaction would be if Israel had a policy of refusing pregnant women to leave the country and holding them hostage until they give birth?

Noncing. Islam's most revered prophet took pre-pubescent child brides and to this day noncing is a regular occurrence. We all know the Irish record on that.

Anti-semitism. A staple of Islam. Catholicism drove anti-semitism in Europe and Ireland was one of the most hostile places for Jews.

Anti-Israel. Muslims & Irish couldn't be closer on this issue

Terrorism. Islamic extremism is behind the vast majority of global terrorist atrocities. Ireland conducted a terrorist war and has a history of supporting terrorist groups.

Evil allies. Well Islamic extremism has the likes of Iran as allies. The Irish had the Germans, and their Nazi brethren. Then there's FARC, ETA, Hezbollah etc.

Lads, there's nowt but a cigarette paper between you and Islamic fundamentalism. You're practically one of the same.

Two peas in a pod. The most grotesque marriage the world has seen.

seamus · 04-05-2012 12:22PM

Ah, I see OK. So you're british, most likely with a military background given your nick, have a rabidly anti-Irish stance, and are desparately looking for ways to justify the your hatred based on the stereotype you have in your head of what Irish people are.

Have you ever actually been to Ireland for any significant length of time, or are you basing all of your opinions on your experiences of talking to drunk people in pubs?

Cognitive Cascade · 04-05-2012 12:24PM

Coldm Gds wrote: »

Osama bin Laden was urged by a fellow leading al-Qa'ida member to send a message to the Irish people to urge them to convert to Islam. New files removed from Bin Laden's compound reveal how Ireland was occupying the mind of top al-Qa'ida leaders.

Adam Gadahn, al-Qa'ida's American-born spin doctor, proposed an ambitious new front in the global jihad in January of last year.

He called for the group to "prepare a message for the Irish" who he said tended to be sympathetic to the cause of the Palestinians.

He also noted "the increasing anger in Ireland towards the Catholic Church" after "sex scandals and others" and urged the group to persuade the disenchanted to turn to Islam rather than secularism.

Being "historically the prominent enemies of the Jews", Mr Gadahn said, Catholics offered "fertile ground".

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/republic-of-ireland/osama-bin-laden-was-told-ireland-was-ready-for-islam-16154076.html

Seems that even Bin Laden and his crew could see what many Irish still refuse to see - that they have all but aligned themselves with Islamic terrorism.

Not content with having covertly aligned themselves with the last global threat (Nazism) they now seem inseparable from Islamic fascism.

So Al Qaeda saw Ireland as fertile ground given the rabid anti-Israel ideology, simmering Jew-hatred (sometimes outright blatant anti-semitism) and general propensity to support every nut job gangsters and terrorists around the world.

I mean, with Ireland being the most hostile nation in Europe towards Israel and having street performances where Israeli soldiers are presented as Nazi troops - Al Qaeda must have looked at your tin pot nation and thought "oh Allah jalala, this lot are even more crazy than us....let's sign them up to our cause".

I always think you can get a good feeling for a nation and a people by who their friends and enemies are. Ireland gave Nazis shelter and were allied to the Germans in WWI. Now we see Al Qaeda was attracted to Ireland.

In contrast, Israel can be proud of the enemies they have made. All dictatorships, corrupt religious fanatic regimes and the like.

You lay with dogs you get fleas. You guys must be itching like mad about now.

Coldm Gds is short for Coldstream Guards, the regiment assigned to the Monarchy, which indicates that you are British and a Loyalist.

Few share your bigoted opinions and you are possibly a sockpuppet of a user here who cannot openly display their prejudices towards Irish people on their main account for obvious reasons,or you are simply one of those backward baboons from the north who recently read the (not so impartial towards the Irish) Belfast Telegraph.

PS. I am surprised you can read let alone use a computer.

It would not be unreasonable to ask a mod to maybe run an IP check on the usual suspects.

Edit: Elaborated a little.

WakeUp · 04-05-2012 12:28PM

Coldm Gds wrote: »

You lapped up the Catholicism bull**** which resulted in widespread noncery and abuse of women's rights.

So why not Islam?

Let's just have a check list here.

Treating women like crap - Well, Islam is the epitome of this. The Irish like to confiscate passports of pregnant Irish women. Can you tell me what the global reaction would be if Israel had a policy of refusing pregnant women to leave the country and holding them hostage until they give birth?

Noncing. Islam's most revered prophet took pre-pubescent child brides and to this day noncing is a regular occurrence. We all know the Irish record on that.

Anti-semitism. A staple of Islam. Catholicism drove anti-semitism in Europe and Ireland was one of the most hostile places for Jews.

Anti-Israel. Muslims & Irish couldn't be closer on this issue

Terrorism. Islamic extremism is behind the vast majority of global terrorist atrocities. Ireland conducted a terrorist war and has a history of supporting terrorist groups.

Evil allies. Well Islamic extremism has the likes of Iran as allies. The Irish had the Germans, and their Nazi brethren. Then there's FARC, ETA, Hezbollah etc.

Lads, there's nowt but a cigarette paper between you and Islamic fundamentalism. You're practically one of the same.

Two peas in a pod. The most grotesque marriage the world has seen.

You sir are an idiot quite clearly. Not only are you ill-informed youre a racist. Where do you cretins come from every now and again someone like yourself shows up here and slates our entire nation and people until you make a show of yourself and crawl back under the rock from which you came. Youve brought up many "points" well flights of fancy in your brain but lets call them "points" for the sake of discussion..lets talk about Nazis to begin with..I have a question for you lets see if you know the answer..at the end of world war 2 where did thousands and thousands of evil nazi scientists end up??? and how did they get there??....

FergusODowd · 04-05-2012 12:31PM

Coldm Gds wrote: »

You lapped up the Catholicism bull**** which resulted in widespread noncery and abuse of women's rights.

So why not Islam?

Let's just have a check list here.

Treating women like crap - Well, Islam is the epitome of this. The Irish like to confiscate passports of pregnant Irish women. Can you tell me what the global reaction would be if Israel had a policy of refusing pregnant women to leave the country and holding them hostage until they give birth?

Noncing. Islam's most revered prophet took pre-pubescent child brides and to this day noncing is a regular occurrence. We all know the Irish record on that.

Anti-semitism. A staple of Islam. Catholicism drove anti-semitism in Europe and Ireland was one of the most hostile places for Jews.

Anti-Israel. Muslims & Irish couldn't be closer on this issue

Terrorism. Islamic extremism is behind the vast majority of global terrorist atrocities. Ireland conducted a terrorist war and has a history of supporting terrorist groups.

Evil allies. Well Islamic extremism has the likes of Iran as allies. The Irish had the Germans, and their Nazi brethren. Then there's FARC, ETA, Hezbollah etc.

Lads, there's nowt but a cigarette paper between you and Islamic fundamentalism. You're practically one of the same.

Two peas in a pod. The most grotesque marriage the world has seen.

I get it, either you one of those self hating Irish types, or some Irish guy beat you up in a bar fight, stole your woman, and then got your promotion at work.

golden lane · 04-05-2012 12:31PM

as islam means surrender......did he hope for the six counties too.......

Coldm Gds · 04-05-2012 12:35PM

seamus wrote: »

Ah, I see OK. So you're british, most likely with a military background given your nick, have a rabidly anti-Irish stance, and are desparately looking for ways to justify the your hatred based on the stereotype you have in your head of what Irish people are.

Have you ever actually been to Ireland for any significant length of time, or are you basing all of your opinions on your experiences of talking to drunk people in pubs?

Well I didn't exactly attempt to hide it, so your Columbo-esque deductions weren't really needed.

I have always said the only time I would fly into Ireland, was if I was on a bombing raid. I will never set foot in Ireland and boycott all Irish goods - which thankfully is extremely easy as your nation produces very little that affects one's every day life. Unlike for example if one was to attempt to boycott Israel. I would hate not to have a computer or mobile phone.

The thing that woke me up about the Irish was of course your terrorist war against British civilians. I started looking into Ireland with more interest and found out about your awful past of refusing a handful of Jewish WWII orphaned asylum seekers whilst accepting Nazi war criminals and giving them shelter.

However, unlike Islamic terrorism the one...I guess 'redeeming feature' (I'm being very kind calling it that) was that you never openly called for the destruction of Britain, you didn't espouse the wiping out of all Brits etc. In other words, there was slight wiggle room in your conscience that made me think you could be rehabilitated as a nation and people.

Then the second intifada happened. As the Irish/British conflict was cooling down, I noticed the Irish becoming overly interested to the point of obsession with Israel/Pal. Almost as if you were projecting your own conflict on Israel.

You quickly got more and more extreme, aligning yourself with a 'people' that openly call for the genocide of the Jews and the destruction of a nation.

The virulent nature of the Irish hatred towards Israel, the diatribes, the horrible language of loathing used - opened my eyes.

The last bit of Irish morality had gone. You had totally and utterly morally bankrupted yourselves and in my eyes, can never be redeemed.

seamus · 04-05-2012 12:37PM

Coldm Gds wrote: »

I have always said the only time I would fly into Ireland, was if I was on a bombing raid.

Just a good old fashioned racist so.

Makes it a waste of my time to even respond to your posts since you're incapable of reason.

comeback_kid · 04-05-2012 12:39PM

seamus wrote: »

What both you and Al-Qaeda have failed to recognise is that the vast majority of Irish people recognise that Israel is not "Judaism" and you can protest against Israel without bearing any ill will towards Jewish people.

There is little or no anti-semitism in this country. Our minister for justice is a well-known and very popular Jew. We do however generally have an issue with the ongoing and brutal treatment of the Palestinians by a very oppressive and racist regime in Israel.

Isreal is not a "with us or against us" issue. Condemning the actions of Israel is not showing tacit support for Hamas or Islamic militants.

Of course, when you're so ingrained in an "us versus them" mentality, it's impossible to imagine that anyone could be in a 3rd group who condemns you both equally.

It parallels the fight in the North in many ways, where everybody was categorised as either a Brit-hating Catholic, or an Irish-hating Prod, even if you weren't even born in the country.
Indeed, much of the support for Israel is likely due to people drawing parallels between the two and feeling more sympathy for those who were displaced, rather than for those who are the invading force.

But that still doesn't mean that Ireland hates Jews, or Ireland loves Muslims. If anything, you will find that Irish people are far more negative about muslims than about jews. In fact, the man on the street probably feels more negative towards protestants than towards jews.

i have a more favourable disposition towards jews and jewish culture than the islamic world but i support the pallestinians in thier struggle

sounds like osama became a walter mitty charechter in the end , he was living like a hermit in some compound with nothing to do only invent various outlandish plots , his idea for converting all ireland to islam is so silly , never mind jews or israel , how in the name of zeus,s butthole did he propose to wean us of beer and bacon :eek:

Solair · 04-05-2012 12:41PM

Clearly he hadn't carried out very extensive "market research" if he thought that Ireland was in anyway likely to see a huge uptake of Islam!

However, we are cozying-up to all sorts of Islamic finance organisations, but that's purely for financial gain. We're also cozying up to China too. I wouldn't read anything into either of those moves other than we're desperate for a bit of tax income!!

Irish people may be getting angry with the Catholic Church over a whole variety of issues, but I think it is embracing normal Western European a la carte Christianity / agnosticism / atheism. It is in incredibly unlikely to embrace an even more conservative religion !

I also don't really understand where this notion that Ireland's somehow anti-Semitic comes from. It's utter nonsense in my experience and I have Jewish friends and family members.

The only expressions of antisemitic stuff that I have seen tend to come from abroad (mostly continental Europe, where there are still some crazy right wing nutjobs, neonazis etc etc ) or, someone spinning Irish anti-Israeli Government sentiment as something it most definitely isn't.

For the most part, Ireland's Jewish community is so small that it is hardly noticed and it is extremely well-integrated. It's not really dramatically separated from the rest of Irish society.

Cork had a popular Lord Mayor, Gerard Goldberg, there have been several prominent and popular Irish Jewish politicians and also the current Minister for Justice happens to be Jewish.

One can be openly critical of Israel's regional / foreign policies without being anti-Semitic!! Many many Jewish people aren't exactly huge fans of Israel's policies either and if anything, its policies are actually driving a huge wedge between Israel and European, North American liberal jewish people who are far less connected to Israeli politics than their ancestors might have been post WWII.

Also, I think most people understand that the Israeli Government is not even necessarily representative of a large section of opinion in Israeli society. The parliament there is split up into so many small parties that the balance of power tends to be held by some rather small, and extremist parties.

A bit like Ireland, Israel uses a form of proportional representation, but instead of uniting people it has just created loads of tiny factions within politics and perhaps distorted the balance of power so the tail is wagging the dog.

It's like one of those things that in theory seemed like a great way of ensuring everyone was represented, but in reality has been a bit of a disaster.

Irish PR tends to work a lot more harmoniously as politics here isn't very fractious with almost all parties being centrist. Even SF is now relatively centrist!

Cognitive Cascade · 04-05-2012 12:43PM

Coldm Gds wrote: »

FergusODowd wrote: »

Just move to conclusion and skip the conversion and practice bit :

Sure we're already lapsed a la carte Muslims.

Does Osama not know how the Irish work ?

You lapped up the Catholicism bull**** which resulted in widespread noncery and abuse of women's rights.

So why not Islam?

Let's just have a check list here.

Treating women like crap - Well, Islam is the epitome of this. The Irish like to confiscate passports of pregnant Irish women. Can you tell me what the global reaction would be if Israel had a policy of refusing pregnant women to leave the country and holding them hostage until they give birth?

Noncing. Islam's most revered prophet took pre-pubescent child brides and to this day noncing is a regular occurrence. We all know the Irish record on that.

Anti-semitism. A staple of Islam. Catholicism drove anti-semitism in Europe and Ireland was one of the most hostile places for Jews.

Anti-Israel. Muslims & Irish couldn't be closer on this issue

Terrorism. Islamic extremism is behind the vast majority of global terrorist atrocities. Ireland conducted a terrorist war and has a history of supporting terrorist groups.

Evil allies. Well Islamic extremism has the likes of Iran as allies. The Irish had the Germans, and their Nazi brethren. Then there's FARC, ETA, Hezbollah etc.

Lads, there's nowt but a cigarette paper between you and Islamic fundamentalism. You're practically one of the same.

Two peas in a pod. The most grotesque marriage the world has seen.

Would a mod please ban this troll's ass and then lock this regrettably amusing thread for sanity's sake?

jhegarty · 04-05-2012 12:43PM

Coldm Gds wrote: »

and boycott all Irish goods

I fully support you in including boards.ie in your boycott.

Also a little irony in that fact that the boycott was invented by the Irish.

wes · 04-05-2012 12:43PM

Coldm Gds wrote: »

. I would hate not to have a computer or mobile phone.

Oh dear, some right proper nonsense here. Intel chips are also made in Ireland as well. So best shut off your computer.......

In fact lot of multinationals are here in Ireland. Same goes for Israel incidently. Simply put you don't have a clue what your on about, and you clearly have no desire to actually respond to what is being said, as per the fact you have ignored the fact, that the article you yourself posted, essentially proves you own obsession incorrect.

comeback_kid · 04-05-2012 12:48PM

Coldm Gds wrote: »

Well I didn't exactly attempt to hide it, so your Columbo-esque deductions weren't really needed.

I have always said the only time I would fly into Ireland, was if I was on a bombing raid. I will never set foot in Ireland and boycott all Irish goods - which thankfully is extremely easy as your nation produces very little that affects one's every day life. Unlike for example if one was to attempt to boycott Israel. I would hate not to have a computer or mobile phone.

The thing that woke me up about the Irish was of course your terrorist war against British civilians. I started looking into Ireland with more interest and found out about your awful past of refusing a handful of Jewish WWII orphaned asylum seekers whilst accepting Nazi war criminals and giving them shelter.

However, unlike Islamic terrorism the one...I guess 'redeeming feature' (I'm being very kind calling it that) was that you never openly called for the destruction of Britain, you didn't espouse the wiping out of all Brits etc. In other words, there was slight wiggle room in your conscience that made me think you could be rehabilitated as a nation and people.

Then the second intifada happened. As the Irish/British conflict was cooling down, I noticed the Irish becoming overly interested to the point of obsession with Israel/Pal. Almost as if you were projecting your own conflict on Israel.

You quickly got more and more extreme, aligning yourself with a 'people' that openly call for the genocide of the Jews and the destruction of a nation.

The virulent nature of the Irish hatred towards Israel, the diatribes, the horrible language of loathing used - opened my eyes.

The last bit of Irish morality had gone. You had totally and utterly morally bankrupted yourselves and in my eyes, can never be redeemed.

i am reminded of the late christopher hitchens when he was asked an opinion about the then recently deceased rev jerry falwell

" if you gave him an enema , you could bury him in a matchbox "

i see you battle the same condition and the irony of accusing anyone or nation of engaging in a diatribe :rolleyes:

FergusODowd · 04-05-2012 12:48PM

Cognitive Cascade wrote: »

Coldm Gds is short for Coldstream Guards, the regiment assigned to the Monarchy, which indicates that you are British and a Loyalist.

And a Walter Mitty.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Mitty

MajorMax · 04-05-2012 12:50PM

"were allied to the Germans in WWI."

On behalf of 2 of my Grand uncles who died at 3rd Ypres (2nd Irish Guards & 7th RIR) Read a book

comeback_kid · 04-05-2012 12:51PM

Cognitive Cascade wrote: »

Would a mod please ban this troll's ass and then lock this regrettably amusing thread for sanity's sake?

why ban him ? , why do boardsies feel the need to silence the gratuitiously offensive ?

Coldm Gds · 04-05-2012 12:52PM

Solair wrote: »

One can be openly critical of Israel's regional / foreign policies without being anti-Semitic!!

I think we can at least agree that Ireland's attitude to Israel has gone way beyond "criticism".

I don't think putting on street theatre of Israelis portrayed as Nazis is "criticism".

I also find it funny that you and your ilk now use the reverse race card all the time as an attempt to deflect any notion of racism, by claiming that Jews or Israeli supporters always play the race card and say criticism of Israel is anti-semitic. I don't think I have ever heard an Israeli or Jew say that.

When scumbag left wingers or self-proclaimed 'humanitarians' protest against Israel, it's always note worthy that in the main they protest against no one else. Whilst Syrians are being buried alive, the Irish aren't sending flotillas as they "bravely" do with Israel.

The Irish aren't calling for boycotts of Syria. No street 'art' of Syrians dressed as Nazis.

This is how you can tell a racist. When someone focusses their "criticism" on one race of people.

Osama bin Laden was told Ireland was 'ready for Islam'

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