Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12

Will I Amnt · 03-05-2012 10:35PM

Augmerson wrote: »

Is the Swansea game home or away? Utd won 1-0 last fixture?

You seem to read too much into past results.
You mentioned City beating Newcastle in their last game as if it means it's a forgone conclusion.Now your referencing the last game between United and Swansea

Mikeyt086 · 03-05-2012 10:39PM

kryogen wrote: »

I think the feeling behind the question is, that if you are a United fan, you really would know this stuff, i.e who is left to play and is the game home or away, its just strange that you wouldnt you know?

By the by, if we get Kagawa for as little as 7 million that is potentially one unbelievable piece of business! Cant believe he will go for so little though. Would be happy with that addition, a bit of steel for the middle of the park and I'd be delighted then, also a change of heart over Fabio, let him fight it out with Evra for first choice next season. The only reason I can see for the loan, if he is to have a future at the club is to give him consistent top level experience before he takes over from Evra season after next.

Oh it is believable. Ozil was in a near identical situation and went for £8m! I guess the club would rather £7m than let him go for free next year.

kryogen · 03-05-2012 10:50PM

Mikeyt086 wrote: »

Oh it is believable. Ozil was in a near identical situation and went for £8m! I guess the club would rather £7m than let him go for free next year.

The situation was slightly different though wasn't it? Ozil was never going to go anywhere but Madrid from what I heard so it gave them a strong position to negotiate from, whereas although I'd love to believe Kagawa would only want to come and play for us, I simply can't believe it

tvercetti · 03-05-2012 10:53PM

Kinda odd hypothetical situation and me talking to myself, anyone else thinking the same thing. This is also disregarding the need for a CM as thats a seperate case.

Why would Utd sign Kagawa instead of Hazard/Götze now or instead of signing Sneijder/Nasri last season???

Because he is cheap and available with his contract expiring next season and will have a big influence on the Asian market.

Unfortunately these are all the wrong reasons to sign a player, United should be buying the player who could have the biggest impact. Maybe Kagawa is the player most suited to Fergies vision.

03-05-2012 10:57PM

tvercetti wrote: »

Kinda odd hypothetical situation and me talking to myself, anyone else thinking the same thing. This is also disregarding the need for a CM as thats a seperate case.

Why would Utd sign Kagawa instead of Hazard/Götze now or instead of signing Sneijder/Nasri last season???

Because he is cheap and available with his contract expiring next season and will have a big influence on the Asian market.

Unfortunately these are all the wrong reasons to sign a player, United should be buying the player who could have the biggest impact. Maybe Kagawa is the player most suited to Fergies vision.

Em, I think it's because Kagawa is a savage player who we'd be getting cheap and all those other reasons in honesty...

G.K. · 03-05-2012 10:59PM

If Kagawa signed you'd probably still need 2 CM's.

Kylo Ren · 03-05-2012 11:00PM

G.K. wrote: »

If Kagawa signed you'd probably still need 2 CM's.

Absolutely, said it too. If we sign him and no CM I'll cry.

killwill · 03-05-2012 11:05PM

tvercetti wrote: »

Kinda odd hypothetical situation and me talking to myself, anyone else thinking the same thing. This is also disregarding the need for a CM as thats a seperate case.

Why would Utd sign Kagawa instead of Hazard/Götze now or instead of signing Sneijder/Nasri last season???

Because he is cheap and available with his contract expiring next season and will have a big influence on the Asian market.

Unfortunately these are all the wrong reasons to sign a player, United should be buying the player who could have the biggest impact. Maybe Kagawa is the player most suited to Fergies vision.

I don't think Sneijder or Nasri actually wanted to come and play for United. I am not sure that Hazard or Goetze does either.

kryogen · 03-05-2012 11:10PM

G.K. wrote: »

If Kagawa signed you'd probably still need 2 CM's.

I'm still going to be happy to have 1 CM signed, I would be delighted to have 2 but I would be content with one. As long as the acquisition is of the quality we all want and know the team needs that is!

G.K. · 03-05-2012 11:12PM

Sneijder has been quoted saying that he thought he was going to be a Utd player this season, iirc.

kryogen · 03-05-2012 11:13PM

Sneijder was quoted saying a lot of **** tbh, same as Hazard

G.K. · 03-05-2012 11:16PM

kryogen wrote: »

I'm still going to be happy to have 1 CM signed, I would be delighted to have 2 but I would be content with one. As long as the acquisition is of the quality we all want and know the team needs that is!

How many are you envisaging leaving from the current group?

Eathrin · 03-05-2012 11:31PM

So where exactly is Kagawa's strongest position? Surely if ee got him we'd only have to bring in 1 more cm. You can't just bring in a load of new players in one season, it disrupts the squad too much. Carrick's been playing decently this year and Cleverley has shown that he can do a job for us. I would expect these players to form a part of the new plan anyway.
Any news on Fletcher?

Kylo Ren · 03-05-2012 11:47PM

Eathrin wrote: »

So where exactly is Kagawa's strongest position? Surely if ee got him we'd only have to bring in 1 more cm. You can't just bring in a load of new players in one season, it disrupts the squad too much. Carrick's been playing decently this year and Cleverley has shown that he can do a job for us. I would expect these players to form a part of the new plan anyway.
Any news on Fletcher?

CAM

xtal191 · 03-05-2012 11:55PM

Id rather spend €7m on Kagawa than €35m+ on Hazard.

bucketybuck · 03-05-2012 11:55PM

Here is my crazy theory ref Fabio.

He is right-footed isnt he? I think Fergie has decided that he has no long-term future as a left full back. He thinks the balance is wrong for him, that his effectiveness on the left will always be blunted by not being left footed.

So his future is as a right back. The only problem is United have right backs coming out their arses. Still, Fabio is quality, so he doesn't want to just get rid.

Ergo, send him out on loan for a year, and deal with the issue a year down the line, where he will either keep him as cover, give him the right back spot, or sell him. Left back is out.

Might be a load of rubbish, but as far as I'm concerned, where Fabio actually plays for his loan club will be very telling...On the right, or on the left?

I think it will be right.

tvercetti · 03-05-2012 11:57PM

killwill wrote: »

I don't think Sneijder or Nasri actually wanted to come and play for United. I am not sure that Hazard or Goetze does either.

Money Talks!!

tvercetti · 04-05-2012 12:00AM

xtal191 wrote: »

Id rather spend €7m on Kagawa than €35m+ on Hazard.

I just want Utd to buy for the right reasons, buy Kagawa because he is the right man instead of him been a convenient purchase. I have not seen enough of him to know how good he is.

Kylo Ren · 04-05-2012 12:16AM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Here is my crazy theory ref Fabio.

He is right-footed isnt he? I think Fergie has decided that he has no long-term future as a left full back. He thinks the balance is wrong for him, that his effectiveness on the left will always be blunted by not being left footed.

So his future is as a right back. The only problem is United have right backs coming out their arses. Still, Fabio is quality, so he doesn't want to just get rid.

Ergo, send him out on loan for a year, and deal with the issue a year down the line, where he will either keep him as cover, give him the right back spot, or sell him. Left back is out.

Might be a load of rubbish, but as far as I'm concerned, where Fabio actually plays for his loan club will be very telling...On the right, or on the left?

I think it will be right.

He can use both feet.

titan18 · 04-05-2012 12:18AM

If we bought Kagawa, I don't think we'd need two CM. Carrick is good enough to play, and bringing in someone alongside him (Fellaini would be nice in that position) would give us a good central two for the league. Kagawa can play behind Rooney or Welbeck, or else out wide if needed. In Europe or against better sides in the league, Kagawa drops further back and we go with 3 in the middle. If signed, he's giving a much better option than Park or Giggs, and probably limiting Cleverly's role in the team.

Although, the 2 does depend on who's sold, and whether Fletcher could possibly be come back. If we lost Pogba,Fletcher and Scholes, two would be needed, but not 2 big CMs.

tvercetti · 04-05-2012 12:23AM

titan18 wrote: »

If we bought Kagawa, I don't think we'd need two CM. Carrick is good enough to play, and bringing in someone alongside him (Fellaini would be nice in that position) would give us a good central two for the league. Kagawa can play behind Rooney or Welbeck, or else out wide if needed. In Europe or against better sides in the league, Kagawa drops further back and we go with 3 in the middle. If signed, he's giving a much better option than Park or Giggs, and probably limiting Cleverly's role in the team.

For CM my preference, if Utd were to only buy 1 player would be someone to try and fill Scholes boots, preferably Modric. In an ideal world Fergie would then buy a 2nd CM in the mould of Felliani or Tiote (Felliani wouldn't be my preference though)

titan18 · 04-05-2012 12:29AM

tvercetti wrote: »

For CM my preference, if Utd were to only buy 1 player would be someone to try and fill Scholes boots, preferably Modric. In an ideal world Fergie would then buy a 2nd CM in the mould of Felliani or Tiote (Felliani wouldn't be my preference though)

That would be awesome, but doubt it'll happen. I'd take someone like Fellaini and put him alongside Carrick, and it's a midfield that is good enough to win a league. Fellaini is probably a more realistic target too, and someone that United could get at a decent amount of money in comparison to Modric

3 in the middle is needed in some games, so if Kagawa was got, he'd fill that role quite well.

Blatter · 04-05-2012 01:30AM

If we are in for Kagawa, please get it done early in the Summer and don't screw it up.

At the moment it doesn't look like we'd have a whole lot of stern competition for him. City have Silva and Nasri, Chelsea have Mata and several other forward thinking midfielders, Barca have way too many midfielders to be interested, Madrid have Ozil, Kaka and Granero, Bayern have Kroos and Muller, Milan have Boateng and Cassano etc.

Now it wouldn't surprise me if someone like Madrid wanted to offload say Kaka and then go for Kagawa as a replacement, which is why we would need to get it done EARLY!

tvercetti · 04-05-2012 02:06AM

Blatter wrote: »

If we are in for Kagawa, please get it done early in the Summer and don't screw it up.

At the moment it doesn't look like we'd have a whole lot of stern competition for him. City have Silva and Nasri, Chelsea have Mata and several other forward thinking midfielders, Barca have way too many midfielders to be interested, Madrid have Ozil, Kaka and Granero, Bayern have Kroos and Muller, Milan have Boateng and Cassano etc.

Now it wouldn't surprise me if someone like Madrid wanted to offload say Kaka and then go for Kagawa as a replacement, which is why we would need to get it done EARLY!

Do you know much about him, all i have seen are a few Youtube videos and a bits of Dortmund earlier in the season in the Champions League. How versatile is he, obviously he is primary positon would be AMC in a 4-2-3-1 but if Utd are playing 4-4-2, where can he fit in?

Blatter · 04-05-2012 02:29AM

tvercetti wrote: »

Do you know much about him, all i have seen are a few Youtube videos and a bits of Dortmund earlier in the season in the Champions League. How versatile is he, obviously he is primary positon would be AMC in a 4-2-3-1 but if Utd are playing 4-4-2, where can he fit in?

I've watched him play around 4 times, so there would be others that could comment better but from what I've seen of him he is your typical Ozil, Silva, Mata type player that maybe has a little more of a striker's instinct than them.

Primarily plays through the centre but drifts out wide on occasion, has excellent close control and is brilliant in tight situations, great vision and can thread the ball through the eye of a needle. Highly creative player with an excellent goal scoring record. Tends to drift in and out of games but then again so do most players of that ilk.

As you say his best position would be behind a striker, but he could probably play on the wing in a 4-4-2 against weaker teams, not so much against stronger teams because he isn't so good defensively but then again he's young enough to improve in that area.

We could definitely do with a central player that is quick and highly creative imo, which he certainly is.

titan18 · 04-05-2012 02:57AM

If we got him, in a 4-4-2, I'd love to see him played instead of Welbeck or Rooney, with Nani and Young out wide with all the players given a free role and moving around the place all the time. Defenders would have no idea who to pick up and with the 4 of them moving around and Evra and Rafael going down the wings, it would be a mismatch against so many teams in the PL. Couldn't try it in a big game, but would be fun to watch against a weaker side.

Pro. F · 04-05-2012 03:12AM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Here is my crazy theory ref Fabio.

He is right-footed isnt he? I think Fergie has decided that he has no long-term future as a left full back. He thinks the balance is wrong for him, that his effectiveness on the left will always be blunted by not being left footed.

So his future is as a right back. The only problem is United have right backs coming out their arses. Still, Fabio is quality, so he doesn't want to just get rid.

Ergo, send him out on loan for a year, and deal with the issue a year down the line, where he will either keep him as cover, give him the right back spot, or sell him. Left back is out.

Might be a load of rubbish, but as far as I'm concerned, where Fabio actually plays for his loan club will be very telling...On the right, or on the left?

I think it will be right.

Didn't Fergie say that he wouldn't split up the twins by selling one and not the other? Or did I just imagine that?

Keno 92 wrote: »

He can use both feet.

He's not that good of a crosser off his left foot tbh.

PhlegmyMoses · 04-05-2012 03:40AM

Great analysis of Rooney's evolving role:

http://thefalse9.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/wayne-rooney-transformation-into.html

Saw a few people suggesting it wouldn't be the worst thing we could do if we were to sell him. Couldn't disagree more tbh, and this article is worth a read for those who hold that viewpoint.

jambofc · 04-05-2012 08:02AM

people used to moan about Nani taking wrong decisions wait till you see kagawa,he is a fantastic player on his day but goes missing way to often is non existent in big games(ive seen him around 10 times) and cant(wont) tackle to save his life.there's no way we could play him in a 4-4-2.
he does excite me and maybe under saf he will fullfill his potential but imo we would need to be getting him at £7, remember ando we bought him as an AM but saf has played him deeper.

Soldie · 04-05-2012 09:21AM

Kagawa and Fellaini, please.

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