Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12

aperture_nuig · 03-05-2012 07:44PM

Dortmund President Michael Zorc: "Shinji Kagawa is going to play in England because he has officially rejected our offer of a new contract"

Above is from a random United Supporters page I follow on Facebook, so take it with a pinch of salt. However, if true, I'd be very happy if Kagawa was on his way to OT.

onemorechance · 03-05-2012 07:44PM

Liam O wrote: »

While I applaud ...

I think it's too harsh on SAF and the team. After 36 games they are level on points with a team who have spend an average of 100 million a year for 4 years and signed an entire squad's worth of players.

They are the only team in the league with wins in double figures both home and away. United have often lost both their games to their nearest rival in a season and still won the league.

They had an 8 match winning streak before they, as you say "bottled it". They caught up to a team which looked like for much of the season they would walk the league.

It's hardly pathetic to be in second place on goal difference, 17 points ahead of third placed Arsenal and 22 points ahead of Champions League finalists Chelsea.

What SAF and United have achieved this season so far has been amazing; just like every other Premier League season! Whether it has been the skills of Arsenal, the determination of Pool, the millions of Chelsea and now the soon to be billions of City, it's always SAF and United who are up there to the end season after season!

Copper_pipe · 03-05-2012 07:45PM

aperture_nuig wrote: »

Dortmund President Michael Zorc: "Shinji Kagawa is going to play in England because he has officially rejected our offer of a new contract"

Above is from a random United Supporters page I follow on Facebook, so take it with a pinch of salt. However, if true, I'd be very happy if Kagawa was on his way to OT.

Sir alex ferguson stand by any chance :P

03-05-2012 07:47PM

Mikeyt086 wrote: »

I agreed with absolutely everything you said except this. The match on Monday night was evidence of that. At 1-0 up and totally dominating, they brought on Nigel De Jong and decided that 1 goal was enough. We just so ****ing bad that it made no difference and they actually nearly got more despite only having Aguero in our half at some stages. Mancini is a naturally defensive manager and often "reverts to type" by bringing on defensive minded players to see the game out, so do most clubs, but City's attackers are so good that they often exploit the counter and score more, again, we our an example with the 6-1 at Old Trafford.

Should have said against the smaller teams, it's foolish not to shore up in must win games when you have the lead, case in point United against Everton, Phil Jones comes on to play midfield at 4-2 and United are champions. It goes back to the tactics thing again and knowing when to implement them. Against the small teams City play open, expansive, quick passing and runs football. Against the bigger teams they are looking for a more methodical approach. Pretty much exactly like United in 2007-9. Fergie tried to distance himself from Queiroz tactically I think in recent years to his detriment.

homerjay2005 · 03-05-2012 08:05PM

aperture_nuig wrote: »

Dortmund President Michael Zorc: "Shinji Kagawa is going to play in England because he has officially rejected our offer of a new contract"

Above is from a random United Supporters page I follow on Facebook, so take it with a pinch of salt. However, if true, I'd be very happy if Kagawa was on his way to OT.

That came from talksport. they reckon its a done deal for 7million.

aperture_nuig · 03-05-2012 08:09PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

That came from talksport. they reckon its a done deal for 7million.

7 million for him would be great IMO.

03-05-2012 08:19PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

That came from talksport. they reckon its a done deal for 7million.

The talk of him joining last season seemed at a very advanced stage, I presume it was a Ronaldo style deal where he'd give them one more season, didn't he say he wanted to join United last year too?

titan18 · 03-05-2012 08:28PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

That came from talksport. they reckon its a done deal for 7million.

7 million would be fantastic value. Whilst he's not a player I think we need, would rather someone like Fellaini, for 7 million, we aren't going to do much better

Pro. F · 03-05-2012 08:31PM

titan18 wrote: »

7 million would be fantastic value. Whilst he's not a player I think we need, would rather someone like Fellaini, for 7 million, we aren't going to do much better

Was about to say the exact same thing myself.

If Berba leaves and we get Kagawa plus one or two solid central midfielders our squad would be insane.

Eathrin · 03-05-2012 08:34PM

I'm very confident that we wouldn't get him for 7m. Several clubs will show interest in him which is only going to drive is price up dramatically. Remember we were meant to be getting Young for around £10m?

G.K. · 03-05-2012 08:57PM

Pro. F wrote: »

Was about to say the exact same thing myself.

If Berba leaves and we get Kagawa plus one or two solid central midfielders our squad would be insane.

And a left back, don't forget.

Mikeyt086 · 03-05-2012 09:06PM

G.K. wrote: »

And a left back, don't forget.

I'm not so sure we will buy at LB. With Nathan Clyne possibly coming in and Fergie's insistance that all defenders do at job in at least 2 positions along the back 4, I think that's all she wrote. I'm hoping Evra bangs his head getting out of his car one day and realises that it is important to close down a cross. He did it against City and had a good game, more of the same please Pat.

Samba · 03-05-2012 09:12PM

Liam O wrote: »

While I applaud people's optimism it's pathetic at this stage that United need a Newcastle result to win the title. City should win comfortably really, they'll be buzzing after playing United and I would expect their swagger from early season to have returned. United bottled it, plain and simple. When a team doesn't have the steel to hold a potentially title winning 2 goal lead against Everton then there is something wrong and in a way I'd rather United didn't get anything this season as it would paper over the cracks of what is a United team that is without direction for the first time in years.

Good post, but you make it sound as though Newcastle have nothing to play for and the game is a forgone conclusion, this is a tough fixture for both teams and both have a hell of a lot to play for.

Winning or coming second in the league isn't going to change anything imo, our weaknesses have been exposed far too many times this season and no silverware will paper over those cracks, our early CL exit was a clear wake up call for Fergie and that's not something he's going to forget if we do happen to win the league.

Cantona's Collars · 03-05-2012 09:31PM

Forever the optimist,I'm of the opinion that Newcastle will get some kind of result against City.I just hope that we don't make a balls of things against Swansea seeing as we managed to do just that against Wigan & Everton,both teams we should have been able to dispatch.

homerjay2005 · 03-05-2012 09:42PM

I cant see us signing a lb. it will be a rb or somebody comfortable on both flanks or in otherwords, it wont be to replace evra as alot of people think here. fabio going on loan suggests we need cover, thats it.

kwestfan08 · 03-05-2012 09:50PM

Someone is very quick on wikipedia. Bit premature no?

Shinji Kagawa (香川真司 Kagawa Shinji?) (born 17 March 1989) is a Japanese footballer who plays for Premier League club Manchester United and the Japan national football team.

Samich · 03-05-2012 09:53PM

kwestfan08 wrote: »

Someone is very quick on wikipedia. Bit premature no?

GET OFF THIS FORUM, HOW DARE YOU USE WIKIPEDIA AS A SOURCE. RAWR.

G.K. · 03-05-2012 09:54PM

And what happens if Evra gets a long term injury? Do you rely on a teenage RB whose neevr played in the EPL before to be your LB?

Samich · 03-05-2012 09:56PM

G.K. wrote: »

And what happens if Evra gets a long term injury? Do you rely on a teenage RB whose neevr played in the EPL before to be your LB?

Evans can play LB and Evra hasn't really had any long term injuries in his career

Mikeyt086 · 03-05-2012 10:01PM

kwestfan08 wrote: »

Someone is very quick on wikipedia. Bit premature no?

And there are YouTube videos called "Shinji Kagawa - Manchester United // 2012 goals and skills".

Do they know something we dont? Althought it's Wiki and Youtube. So no.

Augmerson · 03-05-2012 10:12PM

Is the Swansea game home or away? Utd won 1-0 last fixture?

Mars Bar · 03-05-2012 10:13PM

Augmerson wrote: »

Is the Swansea game home or away? Utd won 1-0 last fixture?

Home I think. Last home game of the season...

onemorechance · 03-05-2012 10:14PM

zerks wrote: »

Forever the optimist,I'm of the opinion that Newcastle will get some kind of result against City.I just hope that we don't make a balls of things against Swansea seeing as we managed to do just that against Wigan & Everton,both teams we should have been able to dispatch.

I think Wigan have shown that they are up for it lately by following up with wins at Arsenal and 4-0 against Newcastle. Typically at least one relegation team sparks to life near the end of the season.

Everton have typically been good finishers to the season, but letting a two goal lead slip twice in that game was terrible from United.

I would consider not beating Swansea at home to be a worse reflection of United than the other two results. In fact they should be able to win this by at least 4 goals; especially as Wolves were able to put 4 past them last week.

Backstreet Moyes · 03-05-2012 10:15PM

Suprised at the move for Fabio he looked impressive last year. Dont understand why Evra seems undroppable. Keep Fabio and rest Evra more next year easing Fabio in as his successor.

Backstreet Moyes · 03-05-2012 10:17PM

Augmerson wrote: »

Is the Swansea game home or away? Utd won 1-0 last fixture?

Are you a United fan thats two things you have asked that somebody with an slight interest in United sould know. If you are not its not a very hard thing to check.

onemorechance · 03-05-2012 10:19PM

Nuts102 wrote: »

Are you a United fan thats two things you have asked that somebody with an slight interest in United sould know. If you are not its not a very hard thing to check.

Asking the question in the United thread is a way to check! :pac: Also, relax!

Jimmy Iovine · 03-05-2012 10:19PM

Nuts102 wrote: »

Suprised at the move for Fabio he looked impressive last year. Dont understand why Evra seems undroppable. Keep Fabio and rest Evra more next year easing Fabio in as his successor.

Evra must have some serious shít on Fergie that he keeps reminding him of every day to still have not been dropped even once. I find it amazing that he's letting Fabio go when you consider how much of a weak link LB is and has been for us for a good while now.

Augmerson · 03-05-2012 10:20PM

Nuts102 wrote: »

Are you a United fan thats two things you have asked that somebody with an slight interest in United sould know. If you are not its not a very hard thing to check.

No, I am not a United fan. True, I could look these things up [bbc.co.uk/sport is my friend!], but more hoping for Utd fans to talk about things and read what they have to say when I ask questions.

kryogen · 03-05-2012 10:27PM

Augmerson wrote: »

No, I am not a United fan. True, I could look these things up [bbc.co.uk/sport is my friend!], but more hoping for Utd fans to talk about things and read what they have to say when I ask questions.

I think the feeling behind the question is, that if you are a United fan, you really would know this stuff, i.e who is left to play and is the game home or away, its just strange that you wouldnt you know?

By the by, if we get Kagawa for as little as 7 million that is potentially one unbelievable piece of business! Cant believe he will go for so little though. Would be happy with that addition, a bit of steel for the middle of the park and I'd be delighted then, also a change of heart over Fabio, let him fight it out with Evra for first choice next season. The only reason I can see for the loan, if he is to have a future at the club is to give him consistent top level experience before he takes over from Evra season after next.

G.K. · 03-05-2012 10:31PM

Samich wrote: »

Evans can play LB and Evra hasn't really had any long term injuries in his career

Eduardo da Silva didn't before that game against Birmingham. Also, Evans will be needed at CB.

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