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The Bible, Creationism, and Prophecy (part 2)
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Doc, did baby croc get wings?
No. That would completely turn evolutionary theory on its head. Your winking face is worrying because you clearly don't even understand what evolutionary theory predicts. And that amuses you? Does it mean you think you are in a position to tease?
What is the difference between a change in trait (driven by a mutation) and an evolutionary change?Can mutations create real evolutionary changes? Don’t make any errors here. Mutations are true ; they are the things to observe; Yeah, they also make changes in traits: but the question is, can they create real evolutionary changes'... Do they really produce new traits?0 -
Doc, did baby croc get wings?
Can mutations create real evolutionary changes? Don’t make any errors here. Mutations are true ; they are the things to observe; Yeah, they also make changes in traits: but the question is, can they create real evolutionary changes'... Do they really produce new traits?
The answer looks like: “Mutations, yes. Evolution, no.” Give a life to your ignorance, Zombrex, mutations don't help your goddamn evolutionary changes..
WHAT!? Mutations are the fundamentally idea behind evolution! How could they not? A mutation occurs which gives that organism an advantage in living. Because of this it lives longer and gets to pass on its genes. This mutation has now been passed one. A change has occurred.0 -
doc, I ain't a creationist and i don't know what creationists like to spread.doctoremma wrote: »
A laughable statement on two counts:
1. You've bought into the "conspiracy theory" that creationists like to spread.
Movie has a producer, picture has its maker, What creates artificial intelligence?... The universe has its maker/creator. Isn't it enough evidence, Docdoctoremma wrote: »2. What evidence of an infinite creator has there EVER been?0 -
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Doc, did baby croc get wings?
I've only studied biology to a Leaving Cert level (and some study outside of that) but you lack a basic understanding to how evolution works. A crocodile did not need wings to survive so they they didn't develop them over millions of years. There's actually something rather beautiful about how the evolutionary process works but it's lost on you....0 -
Hey doc, can you cure me, Can you tell me what does evolutionary theory predict. What is prediction about Human Race. What is future of human race. When will this human race change into another race. Will it remain human or turn to apes again. Doc, can you beat mind such as mine.doctoremma wrote: »No. you clearly don't even understand what evolutionary theory predicts. And that amuses you? Does it mean you think you are in a position to tease?
change in traits (driven by a mutation) not by use -- See the below image for example, the image isn't real but it only clearly conceptdoctoremma wrote: »What is the difference between a change in trait (driven by a mutation) and an evolutionary change?
but that's fantasy of evolution, in reality,, mutations create no of genetic defects like hamophilia etc, and you know what does evolutionary change suppose to mean.... How could this be possible, doc0 -
A changed trait is by definition a new change. That will by definition produce a new trait. That is what the word "changed" means. Your grasp of English seems as good as your grasp of evolutionary biology.
two stones, one bird.WHAT!? Mutations are the fundamentally idea behind evolution! How could they not? A mutation occurs which gives that organism an advantage in living. Because of this it lives longer and gets to pass on its genes. This mutation has now been passed one. A change has occurred.
Mutation are very rare and mutation are 1000 times more harmful than they are useful, right. Mutation creates no of genetic defects. All this is fantasy which is being shown in media "New traits" ... Some atomic event creates people with gnarled skin---There are 3 major issues that arrest scientific computation from mutational change to evolutionary change.
1. First problem is related to math, as evolutionist will agree with me that mutation are very rare and we are talking about mutations which could change a frog into poet .
2. second problem is mutation often go into the wrong direction. They create certain abnormalities in population.
3. mutations are sometime produce by radiation / replication errors.
See, it's cycle, design needs human and human needs something to compete the cycle. The same being who is infinite, can't be createddoctoremma wrote: »Nope. You are saying that because humans can design things using their intelligence, the world has been designed with intelligence. I don't see that the conclusion follows the premise.0 -
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two stones, one bird.
Mutation are very rare and mutation are 1000 times more harmful than they are useful, right. Mutation creates no of genetic defects. All this is fantasy which is being shown in media "New traits" ... Some atomic event creates people with gnarled skin---There are 3 major issues that arrest scientific computation from mutational change to evolutionary change.
1. First problem is related to math, as evolutionist will agree with me that mutation are very rare and we are talking about mutations which could change a frog into poet .
2. second problem is mutation often go into the wrong direction. They create certain abnormalities in population.
3. mutations are sometime produce by radiation / replication errors.
I think, judging by the picture you posted, that you consider mutations to be severe abnormalities. This is not the case. Of course mutations can go the wrong way but if they did that would lessen that organisms chance of survival and lessen its chance of passing the mutated gene on. We talk about the good mutations because these are the ones that are advantageous to the organism and are the ones that survive.0 -
Evolutionary theory predicts nothing about the future of any species (unless we have particularly good insight into their environmental pressures). Evolution is blind, species can "meander" for great lengths of time, there is no "end-point".Can you tell me what does evolutionary theory predict.
If we know of a specific environmental pressure, we can reasonably make short-term predictions about evolution. Bacteria will evolve to take advantage of a novel nutritional substrate, crabs that live in the dark may lose their eyes. We have observed such predictions in nature and in the lab.
I don't know, there's no plan. I suspect we're going to wipe ourselves out pretty soon. But if we continue to occupy this planet in a reasonably stable environment for the indefinite future, I might predict that we will see an increase in beneficial genetic changes that "protect" against the major biological hazards such as cancer. 8m years ago, there were no chimps and humans, only a single ape ancestor. We're not that different to chimps in modern times, so we'll be waiting a long time for humans to sprout wings.What is prediction about Human Race. What is future of human race.
We ARE apes.When will this human race change into another race. Will it remain human or turn to apes again.
Mutations are not rare in the slightest. You were conceived with many may changes in your DNA, compared to either parent. And even now, every time your cells divide, you will have generated new mutations in your DNA.Mutation are very rare and mutation are 1000 times more harmful than they are useful, right...second problem is mutation often go into the wrong direction. They create certain abnormalities in population.
Mutations are mostly neutral - they cause neither harm nor benefit.
So, we are left only to observe the obvious mutations, those causing distinct benefit and those causing distinct harm. Most may be harmful, but some are not. Some are distinctly beneficial to the host organism. This is the material that evolution works with.
Ever spoken to a frog? How do you know they aren't poets?we are talking about mutations which could change a frog into poet
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And anyway, we aren't talking about mutations that would turn a frog into a poet. Evolution is a tree, not a line. We didn't come from chimps, we came from a common ancestor that split into two populations, one giving rise to modern humans, one giving rise to modern chimps. The frogs we see today are far down their evolutionary line - there's nothing that could possibly turn a frog into Shakespeare.
Sometimes? As far as I know, and if we count "radiation" to include "general environmental damage", these are the only two processes by which mutations are produced.mutations are sometime produce by radiation / replication errors.
This is simply not true. We know exactly how evolution works. There are refinements made when new genetic phenomena are discovered but these don't change the basic premise - small changes in DNA accumulate over time to change phenotype (the physical makeup of an organism).No one knows how it works...No one is here who fully understand how does it work.
Tim Minchin: But evolution is only a theory! ... that - that maybe they feel the same way about the theory of gravity… and they might just float the f*ck away.Theory depends on faith.
There is no "faith" to be had in evolution, in the same way that gravity does not require "faith".
Right, you have a LOT of people on this thread who understand evolutionary theory. Many of them will be scientists, may of them will have top qualifications their field. And all of them will say: evolution does not proceed by chance, it proceeds by the directed non-random process of natural selection. How many times do you need to be told?They need a creed of "infinite chance" to explain it.0 -
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I gather they are still stoning one another over the existence or otherwise of the cosmological constant.Sounds more like scientism than science to me. As a matter of fact many of the greatest scientists in history have held non-scientific beliefs while simultaneously making great scientific discoveries.
Einstein, for example, clung stubbornly to the idea of a stationary universe, even inventing a non-scientific 'cosmological constant' to make it fit with his theory of general relativity. It's a shame that, in Zombrex's opinion, Einstein was no longer a scientist.
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‘Evolution is promoted by its practitioners as more than mere science. Evolution is promulgated as an ideology, a secular religion—a full-fledged alternative to Christianity, with meaning and morality. I am an ardent evolutionist and an ex-Christian, but I must admit that in this one complaint—and Mr Gish is but one of many to make it—the literalists are absolutely right. Evolution is a religion. This was true of evolution in the beginning, and it is true of evolution still today'.
Ruse, M., How evolution became a religion: creationists correct? National Post, pp. B1,B3,B7 May 13, 2000.0 -
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Actually it doesn't. Nowhere does the Bible suggest that all are punished equally. In fact it indicates that judgement will be worse for some than for others.
One interpretation I had was that all non believers were all damned forever, but I wasnt aware what you said was the case. My bad.
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