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Who do you think won the Cold War ?

  • 03-05-2012 03:47PM
    #1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,536 ✭✭✭


    As the title suggests "Who Do you think won the Cold War"

    We know there was no winner / loser and no actual war, just the threat of it between the USA & the Soviets


    IMO the Soviets came out the winners until their demise in 1991. Here's why I think that :


    Soviets = First man in Space
    Soviets = First satelite in Space

    When the americans built the blackbird to spy on the soviets they had satelites flying over America taking pictures - a little more advanced than a plane.

    What did the USA have / win during the cold war
    an atomic bomb although the soviets weren't far behind with theirs.


    So in your opinion although no winner / loser who do you think came out on top, during not after communism fell since it was just a race

    Interested to hear your opinions.


    The Stiff-meister


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,775 ✭✭✭✭kfallon


    Stiffler2 wrote: »
    As the title suggests "Who Do you think won the Cold War"

    We know there was no winner / loser and no actual war, just the threat of it between the USA & the Soviets


    IMO the Soviets came out the winners until their demise in 1991. Here's why I think that :


    Soviets = First man in Space
    Soviets = First satelite in Space

    When the americans built the blackbird to spy on the soviets they had satelites flying over America taking pictures - a little more advanced than a plane.

    What did the USA have / win during the cold war
    an atomic bomb although the soviets weren't far behind with theirs.


    So in your opinion although no winner / loser who do you think came out on top, during not after communism fell since it was just a race

    Interested to hear your opinions.


    The Stiff-meister

    There's your answer, no? :confused:

    Next thread please......


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    In reality we all won because most of the really big technological advances that we use today can be directly traced back to cold war research projects.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭The King of Moo


    The Illuminati.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭GetWithIt


    Reagan. Single-handedly during an arm wrestling match with Gorbachev in Reykjavik.

    FACT.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,204 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Stiffler2 wrote: »
    As the title suggests "Who Do you think won the Cold War"

    We know there was no winner / loser and no actual war, just the threat of it between the USA & the Soviets


    IMO the Soviets came out the winners until their demise in 1991. Here's why I think that :


    Soviets = First man in Space
    Soviets = First satelite in Space

    When the americans built the blackbird to spy on the soviets they had satelites flying over America taking pictures - a little more advanced than a plane.

    What did the USA have / win during the cold war
    an atomic bomb although the soviets weren't far behind with theirs.


    So in your opinion although no winner / loser who do you think came out on top, during not after communism fell since it was just a race

    Interested to hear your opinions.


    The Stiff-meister

    China.

    The Soviet Union fell due in the main to economic problems.
    The USA is in serious financial trouble and the country that holds their IOU is China.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    GetWithIt wrote: »
    Reagan. Single-handedly during an arm wrestling match with Gorbachev in Reykjavik.
    I should hope so. It's illegal to use two hands in an arm wrestling match.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 25,000 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    seamus wrote: »
    In reality we all won because most of the really big technological advances that we use today can be directly traced back to cold war research projects.
    That and it managed to reach a conclusion that wasn't the nuclear winter so heavily theorised at the time...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭The King of Moo




  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,536 ✭✭✭Stiffler2


    seamus wrote: »
    In reality we all won because most of the really big technological advances that we use today can be directly traced back to cold war research projects.


    Good post Seamus, I agree 100%.
    alot of technology comes out of wars. Sure look what the nazi's invented :

    Rockets / missiles.
    jet engines
    rocket planes
    pistol with a clip - kruger

    sonar - not sure which side this came from during WW2
    radar - again - not sure which side it came from during WW2

    and of course atomic energy

    I often wonder if WW2 never happened we wouldn't be jetting away on holidays, wouldn't have put a man in space, wouldn't have sonar / radar etc...

    anyway I agree with ya


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 150 ✭✭Bill G


    Second that, China


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79 ✭✭FishHook


    I'd say the Soviets were winning in the 1950s and into the early 1960s. Communism spread a lot in that timeframe.

    They were losing long before the collapse of the USSR, in 1991, though. They fell behind in the space race in the second half of the sixties. With regard to technology, they fell noticeable behind from about the late seventies, onwards.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,528 ✭✭✭foxyboxer


    Apollo > Sputnik/Gagarin


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 363 ✭✭analucija


    Since there wasn't any direct war, only two things you can measure are the world dominance and survival. USA won. Who invented what and when is completely irrelevant.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,521 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    Stiffler2 wrote: »
    pistol with a clip - kruger

    How was that a Nazi invention?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Rocky IV


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,562 ✭✭✭eyescreamcone


    In my mind two moments stick with me as to when the war was won

    Ronnie Reagan started on about a "star wars" system that could shoot down Soviet nukes, thus clearing the way for US nukes to blow mother Russia to bits...USSR then threw in the towel (this actually happened in the Frankie video)

    My favourite moment though was after Rocky Balboa beat Ivan Drago in an unsanctioned bout in Moscow. Rocky said to the Russians and the world "If I can change...and you can change...etc etc"

    Thus the cold war ended.
    T&C apply.
    Based on a true story!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,562 ✭✭✭eyescreamcone


    Rocky IV

    ...and fools seldom differ :)
    You beat me to it!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    The West lost in the end, because it led to ultra-violent organised criminals from former Communist countries spilling over the borders and spreading their sh1t across the entire planet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,264 ✭✭✭rednik


    Bord Gais.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,425 ✭✭✭cml387


    SONAR - British
    RADAR - British

    So Britain won the Cold War


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,331 ✭✭✭RichieC


    It wasn't a war, it was an arms race and an excuse to keep the huge budget the military was receiving during the second world war.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,742 ✭✭✭Faolchu


    who ever had one of these

    coz they were warm


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,197 ✭✭✭housetypeb


    The freezer won, the fridge gave up.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,436 ✭✭✭c_man


    So dismiss the breaking of the atom, give a lot of credit to the Soviets for theirs (should be thanking spies tbh) and don't mention the Moon landing...



    Anyways last week I had a Big Mac meal overlooking Checkpoint Charlie. Tastes like... western victory. And salt.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    seamus wrote: »
    In reality we all won because most of the really big technological advances that we use today can be directly traced back to cold war research projects.


    War/conflict may advance certain fields of technology but to make the claim that the cold war was a win for humanity requires great leaps of imagination.

    Huge amounts of time, energy, and resources were consumed making things with only one use - death and destruction on an unimaginable scale.

    Also, it's impossible to say whether or not these technological advances would have happened regardless of the cold war.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭davet82


    housetypeb wrote: »
    The freezer won, the fridge gave up.

    i was gonna say the micro wave oven :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 830 ✭✭✭Born to Die


    The Illuminati.

    My favourite answer to everything. :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,528 ✭✭✭foxyboxer


    War/conflict may advance certain fields of technology but to make the claim that the cold war was a win for humanity requires great leaps of imagination.

    Huge amounts of time, energy, and resources were consumed making things with only one use - death and destruction on an unimaginable scale.

    Also, it's impossible to say whether or not these technological advances would have happened regardless of the cold war.

    We're still here. Thermonuclear war was a very real possibility.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    c_man wrote: »
    So dismiss the breaking of the atom, give a lot of credit to the Soviets for theirs (should be thanking spies tbh) and don't mention the Moon landing...



    Anyways last week I had a Big Mac meal overlooking Checkpoint Charlie. Tastes like... western victory. And salt.

    I think that was done by the British i.e. Rutherford.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,528 ✭✭✭foxyboxer


    Rocky IV

    Rambo 3 was also a defining moment in the Cold War.


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