Why do Irish people begrudge so much?

The King of Moo · 07-02-2012 10:22PM

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Those feckin landowners and their ways, good on ya, begrdugery back then was like a fine sport, nowadays it's superfluous and meaningless!

Six legs that's awful and of course no shoes to put them in!

Arrah, sure I never enjoyed the aul' begrudgery though, sure I was always begrudging me big brother's begrudging as he was awful good at begrudging. Begrudging your own begrudgery before you'd even started your begrudging he'd be begrudging.

Liam Byrne · 07-02-2012 10:23PM

Captain_Generic wrote: »

I'm pretty sure we still appreciate people who are doing well as a result using their talents to achieve something challenging and noteworthy which we could all be proud of. Its c[SIZE="2"]u[/SIZE]nts like Jedward we hate.

That, plus the amount of people that get where they are by being pricks/pulling strokes/because of who they know

Anyone who does it on their own merit gets kudos from here.

WoollyRedHat · 07-02-2012 10:26PM

The King of Moo wrote: »

Arrah, sure I never enjoyed the aul' begrudgery though, sure I was always begrudging me big brother's begrudging as he was awful good at begrudging. Begrudging your own begrudgery before you'd even started your begrudging he'd be begrudging.

Sure if there was a trophy for begrudging he'd surely win it and no doubt be begrudged by those who didn't win for begrudgery!

Sindri · 07-02-2012 10:30PM

44leto wrote: »

Because they are not blowing off about third world aid while non of them IMO pay their fair tax.

I irony is I am a huge U2 fan and I was genuinely with them since the beginning.

TBF he has done some good work, but that's probably an understatement. He works very hard for developing countries problems and raising awareness and actually trying to get something done to address the issues.

saa · 07-02-2012 10:33PM

We're not very good with emotions?
feel jealous? = complain about 'teh forinors' taking our jebs.
maybe you feel content? = No thats not good enough us Irish cannot be happy with what we've got, find something, be creative, sure remember about friend who tried to show some kind of talent once, ha he was a show. That's better.

mandrake04 · 07-02-2012 10:37PM

Fourteen wrote: »

Why is that whenever someone Irish is doing well, lots of people here (I mean Ireland, not Boards) can't just wish them the best, and instead hope they end up failing?

It's fúcked up.

That true.

Gerry Ryan always used to say that the Irish are real begrudger's and he was correct, also there seems to be a higher proportion of begrudger's on AH.... Begrudger double-whammy.

hairyprincess · 07-02-2012 10:39PM

You mean Irish people, as opposed to every other nationality in the world.......rolls eyes because I can't do smilies on me phone

DEFTLEFTHAND · 07-02-2012 10:51PM

A nation full of inferiority complexs. :pac:

Personally I don't so much begrudge but I do like giving out about things. On average I'd say I spend about 75% of my waking hours giving out or voicing my disatisfaction with certain people or certain states of affairs.

Tbh I was always like this and I never remember a time when I wasn't aggrieved by something. I suppose in a weird way I kinda get a kick out of it.

RainbowRose81 · 07-02-2012 11:45PM

Because they are ungrateful and insecure comparing themselves to others. can you not just be happy with yourself you have no choice you cannot be someone else.

I think if people would stop boasting to the people who they know don't have or may never have what they have, this would solve alot. There are people I know who always go on about their children and family and all the things they know that the others who they are telling to do not have. I usually never talk about myself when something good happen I wouldn't tell people in case I make someone depressed not because something good happen to me but because of they might get depressed because they think that mighten ever happen to them.

Dudess · 08-02-2012 12:58AM

I don't know whether this is an overwhelmingly Irish thing - although maybe it is, seeing as it's said so much. I'd have thought it was a universal phenomenon. Irish people say Irish people are begrudgers so often though, maybe it's not as widespread? Seeing as there are all those who dislike it so much?

Haelium · 08-02-2012 01:26AM

A lot of the "begrudging" is not actually begrudgery, take anything like nepotism or fraud. If you post a thread showing an example of it on boards, I guarantee you that there will be somebody saying "Fair play", and saying that everybody is just begrudging the fraudster/corrupt minister/etc.

Dudess · 08-02-2012 02:04AM

Haelium wrote: »

A lot of the "begrudging" is not actually begrudgery, take anything like nepotism or fraud. If you post a thread showing an example of it on boards, I guarantee you that there will be somebody saying "Fair play", and saying that everybody is just begrudging the fraudster/corrupt minister/etc.

Absolutely. And if a person dislikes a successful person like Bono or Michael O'Leary, because of their personality, not their success, again with the inane "Typical Irish begrudgery".

Reeks of "Respect your betters you minion" tbh.

"Fecking legend" etc for people who "pull a stroke" or act "the cute hoor" is nauseating and spineless.

gcgirl · 08-02-2012 02:20AM

I think a lot of begrugdery has to do with jealousy and tbh if you look at the way things have progress in this country over the last 20 yrs it has took in a life of its own, personally I find begrudging or being jealous of someone is a negative emotion, I had a friend who when she rang me just moaned about her sister just let's say the sister made a little bit of cash on selling her house and envy reared it's head the way it just took over her was unhealthy and she could not see beyond it, even teaching my own kids the art of being humble and treating people equally will hopefully ster them away from begrugdery, even if your content with your life you should not feel the need to begrudge

paddyandy · 08-02-2012 02:42AM

Small tightly knit communities are always like that .Big communities have too many competitors like a marathon race .It's little use putting down people in big races . Tiny groups of people in offices in big cities are much the same as small towns here .Your competition is very close to you .It's not peculiar to us here at all and this 'put down' is very unfair .Human Nature is much the same everywhere .There is no point in detraction if you have a lot of people around you . .The denser the population the less of it i believe .I'm never jealous of people and i know a few moneyed people i don't think people can understand that .Everything brings trouble and i don't have the problems they have .All success bring it's own problems .

lowlife · 02-05-2012 12:00AM

Thank you! That (original message) was the most succinct, intelligent, answer to this issue that has been bugging me for some time!

woodoo · 02-05-2012 12:03AM

National pass time

fryup · 02-05-2012 12:07AM

its in our DNA our makeup

we are (for the most part) the inheritors of a peasant mentality, dating back to our colonial past

the ..."he's got more potato's than me":mad: has now changed to..."he's got more money than me":mad:

paddyandy · 02-05-2012 12:22AM

Begrudgery is more imagined than a reality ?

billybudd · 02-05-2012 12:24AM

I am Irish, i do not begrudge!

WindSock · 02-05-2012 12:56AM

It's because we love a good moan. No one moans and complains about everything like we do. I'm even doing it now, ffs.

In saying that though, it also gives us our unique humour. Sure we even begrudge ourselves into a self depricative sludge that is oddly enough, kind of optimistic in a way. It's taking a bad situation or outlook and being able to laugh at it.

Now we may not be a nation of renowned innovators and high achievers due to lack of support and encouragement perhaps. But at least we can take the piss out of everyone else that is, and we do that well.

Begrudgery is our niche I suppose.

steddyeddy · 02-05-2012 01:19AM

I have noticed it a lot to be honest. In america I find they apreciate the fact that you have done well for yourself or made something out of yourself and they have particular respect from people who worked up from a disadvantaged background. I find some people in Ireland hate to see those from disadvantaged backgrounds doing well.

Dudess · 02-05-2012 01:20AM

Some gimps say any dislike at all is begrudgery, jealousy, derpa derp. Presumably they've never disliked anyone ever so.
I don't get the obsession with it - I see it FAR less than is claimed. Just seems to be a "thing to say" tbh...

RichieC · 02-05-2012 01:22AM

I've never begrudged a man his due.

alphabeat · 02-05-2012 01:28AM

this chap is fishing one day , beside him a bucket of crabs .

another bloke walks past and notices a climbing crab near freedom at the top of the bucket
he says to the fisherman - 'hey one of your crabs is about to get out '!

fisherman replies

' dont worry , they are irish crabs , the other ones will pull him back in '

paddyandy · 02-05-2012 12:36PM

Life is good to everyone but not in the same ways . Feasts and Famines everybody has .

Helix · 02-05-2012 12:41PM

irish begrudgery is a myth. it's no different to anywhere else in the world, aside from the fact that if you say something bad about someone who is famous/doing well it's immediately flagged as "begrudgery". say the same thing a million times about a regular joe and not an eyelid is batted

if anything it's an irish exclusive trend of finding begrudgery where none exists

sunflower27 · 02-05-2012 12:46PM

As said, it is the same the world over and Ireland is no different.

Tall poppy syndrome (TPS) is a pejorative term primarily used in the UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and other Anglosphere nations to describe a social phenomenon in which people of genuine merit are resented, attacked, cut down, or criticised because their talents or achievements elevate them above or distinguish them from their peers.

Helix · 02-05-2012 12:54PM

sunflower27 wrote: »

As said, it is the same the world over and Ireland is no different.

Tall poppy syndrome (TPS) is a pejorative term primarily used in the UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and other Anglosphere nations to describe a social phenomenon in which people of genuine merit are resented, attacked, cut down, or criticised because their talents or achievements elevate them above or distinguish them from their peers.

see, i dont buy that definition either

for example, i think u2 are garbage and bono is a bit of a tart. that's not because they're a massive, successful band though - that's because that's my honest opinion of them.

the thing that makes people confuse that with begrudgery is the fact that lots of people know who u2 and bono are because they're famous, so there's an assumption made that it's jealousy. it's not. if they were a local band playing in my neighbour's garage i'd still think they were crap. and i'd still think bono was a tart - however he'd probably be pontificating about something else, like the cost of a box of smokes, or the government or something instead, and nobody would care if i had that opinion about him, least of all call me a begrudger for it

fishy fishy · 02-05-2012 12:54PM

i wouldnt say we are begrudgers. I would say that in Ireland people just cannot deal with a difference of opinion - also the Irish are a sarcastic and cynical bunch (in the best sense of the words - this is where we get out sense of humour and likability).

also, i would prefer to discuss something or have a difference of opinion than going around roaring GOOD JOB, HEY GOOD JOB, at the top of my voice everybody somebody makes it out of bed in the morning.

:D

fishy fishy · 02-05-2012 12:55PM

Helix wrote: »

see, i dont buy that definition either

for example, i think u2 are garbage and bono is a bit of a tart. that's not because they're a massive, successful band though - that's because that's my honest opinion of them.

the thing that makes people confuse that with begrudgery is the fact that lots of people know who u2 and bono are because they're famous, so there's an assumption made that it's jealousy. it's not. if they were a local band playing in my neighbour's garage i'd still think they were crap. and i'd still think bono was a tart - however he'd probably be pontificating about something else, like the cost of a box of smokes, or the government or something instead

yes, i thought bono and crew were crap when they DID PLAY local gigs before his head grew to the size of a pumpkin.

Why do Irish people begrudge so much?

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