Consent, sex, and alcohol.

strobe wrote: »

I came up with 'I'd consider a person to be too drunk to consent if they were non-communicative and/or not actively engaging in the act'.

What if they're the quiet, silent type and/or prefer to be fairly passive during the act?

Dravokivich wrote: »

If someone doesn't recollect what happened the following day. That is there issue. If I was doing it with someone and they were clearly indicating they wanted it and participating as well. Then that would be consent. If I was starting it with someone and they weren't clearly indicating they wanted it, weren't active in it, didn't know what was going on, then there is no consent.

Adding in the chance that someone would wake up the following day and not remember it is very far from what I'd be able to tell after a night with someone.

You're confusing consent with establishing consent. I agree, it's basically impossible for a person to establish consent in the circumstances you describe. It doesn't mean there was consent.

You can't really blame people in such an event, at least, I wouldn't. This is what makes the issue a difficult one to debate.

Sleepy wrote: »

How do you tell if someone you've met half an hour previously is acting out of character?

I don't think out of character is possible to establish when you've just met someone, however I don't think that they have to be at the point of non responsiveness for you to feel they can't consent.

To give an example, I was chatting up a girl one night who was a fair bit more drunk than I was. She was still coherent; able to answer any question I asked, able to make a joke, or understand one. Had I asked her to come back to my place she would have been able to give a comprehensible answer, whatever it might have been. But I noticed she was repeating things she'd said already; not just once but a good few times. Like she was forgetting what she'd just said. So I decided to leave it, it didn't feel right.

Later, a friend asked me how I was getting on with that girl as he'd seen me chatting her up. I responded that she was too drunk. He said "You mean you're not drunk enough." There's something to be said for that; had I been less sober, I might well have been more comfortable with the situation.

In short though, I don't think the person needs to be near comatose or non communicative, nor do you need to know them that well, in order for them to give off signs that they are not entirely together.

cloptrop wrote: »

I have a drunk woman in the corner , she is totally wasted but calling me a fag because I wont give her one. Well I think she is calling me a fag , she just keeps blurting out fuuuuuuuuukin ffffffag.
Its a double edged sword this consent thing.

Millicent wrote: »

Eh?

I think he's confusing a woman looking for a cigarette with sexual interest.

cloptrop wrote: »

OOh Ooh I have a better one.
What if you call a working girl out and she turns up steaming drunk. Demanding payment whether or not you do the deed . Should you forego on the product you were forced to purchase for higher moral standing with your conscience?

Maybe all prostitution is rape . God damn it OP you just opened up a can of worms in my head and there is birds jumping on my head to simulate rain . Now all the worms are going to go to the top and get eaten by the birds. That sorted itself out you may think but what happens when the birds get hungry again and cant find any more worms. Theyll leave me is what theyll do and Ill be left here all alone with a phone number of a lady of the night who Im afraid to ring incase she isnt coherrent when she gets here . Doing me out of a lot of money .

This post could have been written by Nicholas Sparks. Truly a romantic tragedy for the ages.

cloptrop wrote: »

Haha I am a great fan of the written word , you would never guess from my grammar . Anyhow is it ok to have sex with a girl you spent ten years building a house for , if , when she finally turns up for a ride she gets so hammered she isnt really consenting ..

Is that actually in the film/book? :eek: I can't remember I was so utterly bored throughout the maudlin shite. Seriously?!