Catholic church urges schoolchildren to back anti gay marriage petition

Seachmall · 26-04-2012 02:35PM

Mickey H wrote: »

What's the harm with it exactly?

Friction rash.

Hannibal Smith · 26-04-2012 02:36PM

Penn wrote: »

Ben Goldacre on Twitter made a good point. The Catholics never seem to go after adulterers. They pick on homosexuality and abortions because they can get away with picking on them.

Wow that's true! Adultery even made into the 10 Commandments, but you never hear the church go on about it.

Ghost Buster · 26-04-2012 02:47PM

And yet it is often asked "Where will we get our ethics from if we remove religious instruction from our schools":rolleyes:

Ghost Buster · 26-04-2012 02:51PM

beerbuddy wrote: »

So what does any of this have to do with Athiesm ?
Its just another anti religious ranting session.
Prehaps the Christianity thread is more appropriate.

What we have here is a male lead organisation seemingly obsessed with homosexuality above all other 'sins' coercing school children with little or no opinion (probably) on the matter to sign petitions against it...
and you have a problem with people starting a thread about it.
RRRRRRRRight.

prinz · 26-04-2012 03:08PM

Penn wrote: »

Could you point out where a Catholic organisation has organised a petition or protest against adultery? Or about coveting your neighbours goods? Or about taking the Lord's name in vain?

I note in the original post I replied to you didn't make any specific reference to petitions or public protests though.

A quick google and you will find Catholic and Anglican bishops calling on the Ugandan government to reconsider it's move to decriminalise adultery.

Is the government considering legalising adultery, I think the boat sailed on that one here in the 70's. I am fairly sure some Catholic groups protested that at the time.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/dec/08/catholics-protest-blasphemous-play-paris

Catholics protesting... and it doesn't even mention gay marriage or abortion.

Penn · 26-04-2012 03:31PM

prinz wrote: »

I note in the original post I replied to you didn't make any specific reference to petitions or public protests though.

This whole thread is in response to a petition against gay marriage.

Here's some more protests & petitions though:
http://www.christianpost.com/news/thousands-of-ny-christians-protest-gay-marriage-38686/
http://onkneesforjesus.blogspot.com/2012/02/christians-protest-gay-marriage-in-new.html ('On knees for Jesus' - hahahahaha)
http://www.christiandoctrine.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=839:united-christian-protest-against-same-sex-marriageq&catid=106:society-and-culture&Itemid=478
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-03-12/british-catholics-urged-to-rally-against-gay-marriage/3882860

I'm not saying every protest by Christians/Catholics are against gay marriage, but it does seem to take a lot of their focus.

smash · 26-04-2012 03:34PM

I wonder if we set up a super brawl with gays vs priests would a lot of the priests be confused as to which side to actually take.

Kev_2012 · 26-04-2012 03:46PM

Personally I don't see the problem with this from a legal point of view as it's nothing to do with the church really. OR is this law to allow gay people to marry in a church? anyone wanna shed light on that?

xsiborg · 26-04-2012 03:48PM

smash wrote: »

I wonder if we set up a super brawl with gays vs priests would a lot of the priests be confused as to which side to actually take.

wait til the bishops would come out! could get really messy then-

"bless blast you my child"

"ohh thuper!"... :pac:

Seachmall · 26-04-2012 03:56PM

smash wrote: »

I wonder if we set up a super brawl with gays vs priests would a lot of the priests be confused as to which side to actually take.

Nah, they'd instinctively start at the backside and work their way around.

Eric Cartman · 26-04-2012 03:57PM

Kev_2012 wrote: »

Personally I don't see the problem with this from a legal point of view as it's nothing to do with the church really. OR is this law to allow gay people to marry in a church? anyone wanna shed light on that?

this is a big problem I have with the gay marraige issue. Personally I dont agree with any marraige , but the catholic church can do this if they want, by throwing money in the collection box these kids are agreeing anyway.

Even if gay marraige comes about, its not going to be the same way straight marraige is with regards to big church wedding etc. The churches, mosques, synagouges, chapels, etc... are still going to be closed off. Legalising gay marraige will just change the two words at the top of the form currently marked 'civil partnership'

Id be in favour of changing it all (straight / gay whatever) to 'civil partnership' and leave the 'marraige' end to the religions.

prinz · 26-04-2012 03:59PM

Penn wrote: »

I'm not saying every protest by Christians/Catholics are against gay marriage, but it does seem to take a lot of their focus.

...because it's a topical issue going through parliaments now. Doesn't take a genius to tie the two together really.

Abortion was a really hot topic on the news and current affairs TV and radio programmes last week. Can't for the life of me figure out why. Either the people involved are obsessed with abortion........ or it had something to do with a certain private members bill before the Dáil. I think I'll go with them being obsessed with abortion.

Thrill · 26-04-2012 04:06PM

xsiborg wrote: »

wait til the bishops would come out! could get really messy then-

Especially if they ask for their ring to be kissed.

Ellis Dee · 26-04-2012 04:06PM

By recruiting schoolchildren in England as instruments in its efforts to influence secular legislation and encouraging them to engage in party politics - possibly in direct opposition to their parents' views - the Catholic Church is merely adding another form of child abuse to its already regrettably broad repertoire of same.:mad::mad::mad:

Snowie · 26-04-2012 04:07PM

what I want to know is wy would any one want to be involved with the catholic church, I reocn its about time schools were de-relgionefied, and if you want to send your kid to a biased racist religion well you can pay for it..

other wise send them to none religious schools..

Its disgraceful that in this country you have to make a decision for your own child in what religion you are.. Ie catholic you must be baptized in order to attend school.

makes me want to puke

DEFTLEFTHAND · 26-04-2012 04:10PM

mongdesade wrote: »

With a former Nazi as their figure-head, no great shock there :eek:

How petty can you get?

prinz · 26-04-2012 04:14PM

smash wrote: »

I wonder if we set up a super brawl with gays vs priests would a lot of the priests be confused as to which side to actually take.

Celebrity Death Match, Elton John -v- the Pope. :pac::D

Min · 26-04-2012 04:17PM

Catholic church outlines the Catholic position in regards to same sex marriage to people who attend Catholic schools.
It is upto the individuals if they want to sign a petition or not.

I don't support same sex marriage which is only a recent concept, I will not be told by the media or liberals on how I should view marriage. I believe in traditional marriage, not because it is only between a man and a woman, because I don't believe marriage should be redefined to mean something totally different.

Anyway you still hear with heterosexual couples...it was a registry office job, which for some is not a real marriage in the sense it is not marriage in the eyes of God.

Benny_Cake · 26-04-2012 04:44PM

Min wrote: »

Catholic church outlines the Catholic position in regards to same sex marriage to people who attend Catholic schools.
It is upto the individuals if they want to sign a petition or not.

I don't support same sex marriage which is only a recent concept, I will not be told by the media or liberals on how I should view marriage. I believe in traditional marriage, not because it is only between a man and a woman, because I don't believe marriage should be redefined to mean something totally different.

Anyway you still hear with heterosexual couples...it was a registry office job, which for some is not a real marriage in the sense it is not marriage in the eyes of God.

If you don't support same sex marriage, that's fine, you're entitled to your opinion. But should people actively campaign to deny that right to others?

mongdesade · 26-04-2012 04:48PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

How petty can you get?

Very...try me !

humanji · 26-04-2012 04:50PM

Benny_Cake wrote: »

If you don't support same sex marriage, that's fine, you're entitled to your opinion. But should people actively campaign to deny that right to others?

Or more importantly, should they be using children, who don't understand the issue, to sign petitions against it?

Corkfeen · 26-04-2012 04:51PM

Min wrote: »

Catholic church outlines the Catholic position in regards to same sex marriage to people who attend Catholic schools.
It is upto the individuals if they want to sign a petition or not.

I don't support same sex marriage which is only a recent concept, I will not be told by the media or liberals on how I should view marriage. I believe in traditional marriage, not because it is only between a man and a woman, because I don't believe marriage should be redefined to mean something totally different.

Anyway you still hear with heterosexual couples...it was a registry office job, which for some is not a real marriage in the sense it is not marriage in the eyes of God.

They are under the age of eighteen for the most part. They should be allowed to develop an independent opinion on gay marriage rather than getting an archaic and idiotic stance which has developed from a single sentence in a 2 thousand year old book. While they are in school, they should not be used as a tool to air the views of the Catholic Church in a political arena in an effort to dictate laws.

Min · 26-04-2012 05:01PM

Corkfeen wrote: »

They are under the age of eighteen for the most part. They should be allowed to develop an independent opinion on gay marriage rather than getting an archaic and idiotic stance which has developed from a single sentence in a 2 thousand year old book. While they are in school, they should not be used as a tool to air the views of the Catholic Church in a political arena in an effort to dictate laws.

So they should let the media opinion on same sex marriage - which is strongly pro-same sex marriage be the only voice they hear?

It is more than a single sentence, the bible is quite clear on marriage.

Immaculate Pasta · 26-04-2012 05:02PM

Gay marriage is gay. :cool:

Benny_Cake · 26-04-2012 05:05PM

humanji wrote: »

Or more importantly, should they be using children, who don't understand the issue, to sign petitions against it?

I think that is the most objectionable element of this. When I was in primary school (Catholic), the only petition I remember being asked to sign was one asking Gorbachev to sign the Soviet Union up to a morotorium on whaling! The idea of young kids being railroaded into signing something which they are unlikely to even understand is odious in the extreme. It's a new and disturbing departure for Catholic education, and I say that as a somewhat lapsed Catholic.

Penn · 26-04-2012 05:05PM

Corkfeen wrote: »

They are under the age of eighteen for the most part. They should be allowed to develop an independent opinion on gay marriage rather than getting an archaic and idiotic stance which has developed from a single sentence in a 2 thousand year old book. While they are in school, they should not be used as a tool to air the views of the Catholic Church in a political arena in an effort to dictate laws.

Not to mention the fact that students as young as 11 were being asked, by their teachers, to sign the petitions. Plus they were shown videos or presentations representing one side of the argument only.

The school children were being used because of their numbers and the relative ease of getting the majority of students to sign it. The majority of Catholics are in favour of gay marriage. The majority of children, if being told by their teachers that gay marriage is wrong and being asked, by their teachers (underlined because that's important. They were being asked by a figure of authority) to sign it saying they agreed, would comply. Easy signatures for their cause.

Corkfeen · 26-04-2012 05:06PM

Min wrote: »

Corkfeen wrote: »

They are under the age of eighteen for the most part. They should be allowed to develop an independent opinion on gay marriage rather than getting an archaic and idiotic stance which has developed from a single sentence in a 2 thousand year old book. While they are in school, they should not be used as a tool to air the views of the Catholic Church in a political arena in an effort to dictate laws.

So they should let the media opinion on same sex marriage - which is strongly pro-same sex marriage be the only voice they hear?

It is more than a single sentence, the bible is quite clear on marriage.

They can read and develop their own opinion, rather than made to believe Catholic dogma as fact. Marriage is not a creation of Christianity so should not dictate who can and can't get married.

Min · 26-04-2012 05:08PM

Corkfeen wrote: »

They can read and develop their own opinion, rather than made to believe Catholic dogma as fact. Marriage is not a creation of Christianity so should not dictate who can and can't get married.

They have a right to air their opuinion, you can't say they can read and develop their own opinion while wanting one side of the argument silenced.

Benny_Cake · 26-04-2012 05:11PM

Min wrote: »

So they should let the media opinion on same sex marriage - which is strongly pro-same sex marriage be the only voice they hear?

It is more than a single sentence, the bible is quite clear on marriage.

I'd imagine that young children would absorb a lot of views and opinions from their parents and their peers - do you think they sit down after school and read what the Irish Times has to say about it? Really?

The Bible is very clear on adultery - it has very nothing whatsoever to say about same sex marriage, and indeed there is very little about same sex relations, especially loving and committed relationships between adults. There have been multiple interpretations of the few references to same sex relations. In any case, we live in a secular society, so a great many people will not view the Bible as the source from which civil laws should be derived.

Seachmall · 26-04-2012 05:11PM

Min wrote: »

Anyway you still hear with heterosexual couples...it was a registry office job, which for some is not a real marriage in the sense it is not marriage in the eyes of God.

If it's not a real marriage in the eyes of God why does God, or more correctly The Church, care?

Catholic church urges schoolchildren to back anti gay marriage petition

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