Community group donates sat-navs to gardaí in bid to stave off gangs Read more: http

wreckless · 25-04-2012 08:17AM #1

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/community-group-donates-sat-navs-to-gardai-in-bid-to-stave-off-gangs-191719.html

Smcgie · 25-04-2012 08:23AM

I think it's the best kind of protest - a community concerned protest. Maybe if the likes of the shell-to-sea campaigners where as proactive in their approach then they would be taken a slight bit serious.

Well done to the cork community, but it also highlights the 'backward'ness' of AGS. There should be NO Garda car without a satellite navigation system of some sort.

I would have the bicycles fitted with them - no joke.

wreckless · 25-04-2012 09:14AM

totally agree with you on the point on all ES vehicles being fitted with a GPS unit, Garda, fire ambulance etc. christ, its not new technology, its been around since the 2005 onwards.the AGS are a step ahead with TETRA also, fire will be waiting a god while for it.

but.... and this is where our country fails so miserably......WE HAVE NO POSTCODES ON ADDRESSES!!!!! the poxy ministers down the years are always putting it off. tell you the truth, part of the EU/ EMF bailout conditions should have been the implementation of a postcode system.

heres an extract from a document doing the rounds at the moment:

http://www.environ.ie/en/Publications/LocalGovernment/FireandEmergencyServices/FileDownLoad,29764,en.pdf

1992 onwards......

iii) Address information

The provision of accurate, national addressing information was essential to the success of CAMP to replace
the “local knowledge” dimension of prior arrangements. However, providing this information was a major
barrier to the implementation of CAMP and proved to be a considerable task in its own right. Prior to CAMP,
dispatching was largely done on local knowledge since Ireland did not have a national post codes or
equivalent addressing system. The smallest geographic entity is a “townland”. However, townland names are
not unique and there is also a lack of house numbers and often addresses were known by the name of the
person living in the house rather than the house itself. In order for CAMP to work, a national addressing
system had to be developed from scratch and implemented nationwide. Local knowledge then had to be
transferred from each Fire Station to a central database in order that RCC staff could effectively mobilise
appliances and other resources. This process took some 10 years to complete for all fire authorities, and was a
major sub-project within CAMP.

so how much easier would it be if we had a postcode? and would much would it have saved?

we get calls to fires in mrs.doyles house, tinnahick, up the road past the y junction, over the bridge past the foxes pub , turn left, third house after the other 10 bloody houses on the fecken road!!!! its dark at 2am so how the fook do they expect a quick response anyway.

d3exile · 25-04-2012 09:21AM

wreckless wrote: »

AGS are a step ahead with TETRA

Only in Irish terms, other forces had digital radios for a decade or more before we got it, uk had their airwave system since the 90s!!

I think standard protocol is wait till the Brits get something, leave it ten to fifteen years and then get it for the guards... Gives us about 7-8 years till we get proper vests so

Back on topic all ES mobiles should have sat nav, the amount of times I have to use my iPhone's map daily is crazy!

pa990 · 25-04-2012 10:09AM

i wonder if the SatNav has speed cam alerts ?

Raging_Ninja · 25-04-2012 11:12AM

There is a postal code system in use by An Post, its just not used publically.

You know when you receive a letter, look at the bottom of the envelope and there is a faint orange barcode. That's the postcode.

bluetop · 25-04-2012 12:07PM

Sure we all know Ireland are about a decade behind any other police service in regard to equipment, cars, clothing, you just cant get the staff any more !!:D

wreckless · 25-04-2012 12:17PM

Raging_Ninja wrote: »

There is a postal code system in use by An Post, its just not used publically.

You know when you receive a letter, look at the bottom of the envelope and there is a faint orange barcode. That's the postcode.

an post you say? :rolleyes:

barcodes are not postcodes.

markpb · 25-04-2012 12:21PM

wreckless wrote: »

barcodes are not postcodes.

Barcodes can contain any data you want - in this case it contains the internal routing/post code used by An Post.

Bosh · 25-04-2012 03:45PM

An Post? :rolleyes:

Posted a parcel to UK couple of weeks ago €11.50 , took ELEVEN days to arrive.

A few days later had another to post. Box weighed more than the contents. An Post wanted €18.60 to post to UK. :eek:

Went north of border - £4.50 and it was there the next day.

Postal system is an absolute joke.

maglite · 25-04-2012 04:39PM

Raging_Ninja wrote: »

There is a postal code system in use by An Post, its just not used publically.

You know when you receive a letter, look at the bottom of the envelope and there is a faint orange barcode. That's the postcode.

They have a GeoDirectory, not a postcode and it is available on licence basis, many taxi companies use it.

That BAR code it used to code where the envelope is going where it came from and what route it took through the postal system inc times etc.

The search on the OSI site uses the geo directory.
http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,591271,743300,0,10

with this all you need is a postal address and people don't have to remember postcodes.

bluetop · 25-04-2012 05:26PM

Bosh wrote: »

An Post? :rolleyes:

Posted a parcel to UK couple of weeks ago €11.50 , took ELEVEN days to arrive.

A few days later had another to post. Box weighed more than the contents. An Post wanted €18.60 to post to UK. :eek:

Went north of border - £4.50 and it was there the next day.

Postal system is an absolute joke.

That is what i could never figure out, if you go to the north they use next day delivery, why when we post here they cant do that, it takes ages to get there.

BrianD · 25-04-2012 05:41PM

It's not really the lack of post codes that are the problem. Post codes are useless to a rural Garda unless he has a Sat Nav and also rural post codes tend to cover bigger geographic areas than towns or cities.

Also in Ireland we have this unique problem of being unable to define address in the first place (we prefer to give almost a set of directions) and we also have "address drift" - some people like to have a better address than the one the are at.

Garda cars should have Sat Navs but local knowledge is also hugely important. Also the average punter has to be able to define their address better. Know the road you are on e.g. R147 and so on (many counties are now putting route numbers on roads even L roads).

Mycroft H · 25-04-2012 07:59PM

The london ambulance service has had GPS since 2007ish at least. Typical Irish.

Sterling Archer · 25-04-2012 11:47PM

Slightly off topic but what percent of the ags fleet have sat navs also if reporting an incident given the number of smartphones people have would giving the GPS co-ordinates help

pa990 · 26-04-2012 12:08PM

Shane_ef wrote: »

Slightly off topic but what percent of the ags fleet have sat navs also if reporting an incident given the number of smartphones people have would giving the GPS co-ordinates help

Sat navs are not in any regular garda cars.

civdef · 26-04-2012 01:06PM

Only in Irish terms, other forces had digital radios for a decade or more before we got it, uk had their airwave system since the 90s!!

Most UK forces switched to Airwave in the 2001-2005 timeframe.

Turner · 26-04-2012 04:04PM

Shane_ef wrote: »

Slightly off topic but what percent of the ags fleet have sat navs also if reporting an incident given the number of smartphones people have would giving the GPS co-ordinates help

0.

Every Garda knows their district inside out including where the armed robbers, burglars, serious criminals, provos, drug dealers, junkies and sex offenders all live.

With all the rural stations closing expect this to decline as Gardai from miles and miles away attend to deal with incidents. And who wont know the area.

kub · 26-04-2012 08:47PM

Turner wrote: »

0.

Every Garda knows their district inside out including where the armed robbers, burglars, serious criminals, provos, drug dealers, junkies and sex offenders all live.

With all the rural stations closing expect this to decline as Gardai from miles and miles away attend to deal with incidents. And who wont know the area.

Pity the media don't publish this.

pa990 · 26-04-2012 09:09PM

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Pity the media don't publish this.[/Quote]

They are too busy pushing the public v private sector agenda

tom traubert · 27-04-2012 11:38PM

Turner wrote: »

0.

Every Garda knows their district inside out including where the armed robbers, burglars, serious criminals, provos, drug dealers, junkies and sex offenders all live.

With all the rural stations closing expect this to decline as Gardai from miles and miles away attend to deal with incidents. And who wont know the area.

Ideally, every garda should know his/her sub-district inside / out. The inevitable truth though is that it takes a period of time to get up to the level. I agree that if rural stations continue to be closed there will inevitably be a disconnect with local communities.

Re: sat nav etc; how the hell is a new Garda in any community going make connections without talking to people? Sat nav has it's place of course, but imho members who rely on sat nav from the off are doomed in the community.

shampon · 28-04-2012 01:39AM

Whatever happened to local knowledge?

pa990 · 28-04-2012 08:25AM

shampon wrote: »

Whatever happened to local knowledge?

If the local station is gone, then so is the local knowledge

deadwood · 29-04-2012 12:51PM

The Sat-Nav will have to be in a Garda voice.

"Please enter destination,"

*Main Street post office - panic alarm*

"Approximate arrival time 12 minutes"

*enter via point - Topaz Deli*

"New arrival time 24 minutes"

"At the next junction, left hammer, horse. No left LEFT! Jesus how long are you here? Continue onto next left, so. I want to look at the new mondeo in the dealers. Those panic alarms are always false"

"Entering Topaz Deli. ....Departing Topaz Deli. Revised arrival time 42 minutes"

"Speed limit 50kph. School approaching. That's 50 ...FIFT...oh ****, you don't see many of those school patrols any more. It's ok, she got up. Continue to destination."

"You are approaching the ...holy ****, look at the knockers on that. Hold up horse. What's the rush? Revised route. Perform u-turn. Perform second u-turn. Resume journey"

"Revised arrival time 1 hour and 2 minutes."

"Arriving at destination now. Do not alight from vehicle. Rain imminent. Sound siren. No person coming out? All in order. Meal break imminent. Restaurant in next town. Journey 35km. Arrival time 28 minutes. Continue to destination."

SNAKEDOC · 01-05-2012 09:33PM

you forgot return to station for fuel card plus additional beat personnel due to imminent rain and lack of rain covers.

d3exile · 10-05-2012 03:39PM

civdef wrote: »

Only in Irish terms, other forces had digital radios for a decade or more before we got it, uk had their airwave system since the 90s!!

Most UK forces switched to Airwave in the 2001-2005 timeframe.

Yep and some had it since the 90s, just not 'most'

Even still our national rollout wasn't until 2010 which is still touching a decade

A.G.S · 14-05-2012 09:43PM

If anybody has any old sat-nav's hanging around and are not using them can you pm me please

I'm trying to get a few together so I can donate them to Garda stations across cork county and beyond if possible.

goldie fish · 14-05-2012 11:44PM

A.G.S wrote: »

If anybody has any old sat-nav's hanging around and are not using them can you pm me please I'm trying to get a few together so I can donate them to Garda stations across cork county and beyond if possible.

I'm not sure if you are being serious or not, but Old Satnavs are more of a liability than an asset, and would possibly do more harm than good.
You want them with accurate, up to date maps. Otherwise you may as well have a one page map of Ireland.
No offense intended.

thekopend · 14-05-2012 11:58PM

goldie fish wrote: »

I'm not sure if you are being serious or not, but Old Satnavs are more of a liability than an asset, and would possibly do more harm than good.
You want them with accurate, up to date maps. Otherwise you may as well have a one page map of Ireland.
No offense intended.

most half decent sat navs if not all, can have the maps updated, by downloading the update off the internet, as they can be connected to the computer through usb port.

Zambia · 15-05-2012 03:14AM

thekopend wrote: »

most half decent sat navs if not all, can have the maps updated, by downloading the update off the internet, as they can be connected to the computer through usb port.

While I applaud your efforts I think Goldie is correct.

If you could find out how many cars require these units

Source a reliable model and come to a bulk deal with a local retailer. You would have a figure to fund raise to. It would be a reachable figure.

Lets not forget the local OIC of the station would need to agree he/she wants them

source · 15-05-2012 06:17AM

thekopend wrote: »

goldie fish wrote: »

I'm not sure if you are being serious or not, but Old Satnavs are more of a liability than an asset, and would possibly do more harm than good.
You want them with accurate, up to date maps. Otherwise you may as well have a one page map of Ireland.
No offense intended.

most half decent sat navs if not all, can have the maps updated, by downloading the update off the internet, as they can be connected to the computer through usb port.

True but a map update isn't cheap, they cost on average €80-€90. A cheap new sat nav with brand new maps is about €100-€150.

Doesn't make sense.

Community group donates sat-navs to gardaí in bid to stave off gangs Read more: http

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