Sinead O Connor to leave music world. Tour aborted in Germany.

crazygeryy · 25-04-2012 08:45AM

mikom wrote: »

mikom wrote: »

A talentless attention seeker?
That's some straight up shite talk right there.

xsiborg wrote: »

ok then, let me re-phrase that-

a girl who had an amazing talent

Would you believe it..... we've discovered your talent for back-tracking

xsiborg wrote: »

without the media they would be nothing,

Talent will always be noticed, media or no media.
Maybe not as far and wide, but the bush telegraph only goes so far.

Very few people will deny that shes talented, but very few people will say they are not sick to death of hearing about her.

mikom · 25-04-2012 09:00AM

crazygeryy wrote: »

Very few people will deny that shes talented, but very few people will say they are not sick to death of hearing about her.

On a scale of one to Beiber, I'll give that post a Rihanna.

Andy-Pandy · 25-04-2012 10:40AM

Nodin · 25-04-2012 01:25PM

xsiborg wrote: »

...............

now some might observe her history of behaviour as a diagnostic example of bi-polar disorder. my own opinion which i still stand by is simply that she is just a talentless attention seeker with an angry victim persecution complex, couple this with copious amounts of illicit substances, et voila- another 'bi-polar' celebrity that 'wants everybody to leave her alone', until the next time she wants attention.

The problem with talking total **** on the internet vs the pub is that few in the pub will remember.....

xsiborg · 25-04-2012 01:40PM

mikom wrote: »

mikom wrote: »

A talentless attention seeker?
That's some straight up shite talk right there.

xsiborg wrote: »

ok then, let me re-phrase that-

a girl who had an amazing talent

Would you believe it..... we've discovered your talent for back-tracking

xsiborg wrote: »

without the media they would be nothing,

Talent will always be noticed, media or no media.
Maybe not as far and wide, but the bush telegraph only goes so far.

nothing wrong with back tracking to make myself clearer surely?

and i totally agree with you that talent will always out, but she used the media to get attention for herself, as distinct from getting attention for her musical talent.

Nodin · 25-04-2012 01:42PM

xsiborg wrote: »

nothing wrong with back tracking to make myself clearer surely?

and i totally agree with you that talent will always out, but she used the media to get attention for herself, as distinct from getting attention for her musical talent.

...a lot of what shes done has had her mental illness behind it. She exhibits some classic symptoms.

mikom · 25-04-2012 01:45PM

xsiborg wrote: »

nothing wrong with back tracking to make myself clearer surely?

and i totally agree with you that talent will always out, but she used the media to get attention for herself, as distinct from getting attention for her musical talent.

Talent vs. media attention.....

Google search

Sinead O Connor About 44,800,000 results

justin beiber About 448,000,000 results

Which one is more talented?
Which one is in your face everyday?

Brain Stroking · 25-04-2012 01:56PM

xsiborg wrote: »

not at all, the fact that im so cynical of ridiculous excuses for behaviour that i'd sooner attribute to drugs than the new celebrity mental disorder has nothing to do with the fact that im irish.

as to how do i know she spent the last 20 years on drugs? well i too have seen her interviews and read her interview articles in which she talks about having used drugs and so on, and then recently she married her drug counsellor and tried to get high on their honeymoon.

now you're hardly going to tell me she was seeing a drug counsellor for taking skittles are you?

no begrudgery here, in fact im quite proud of many of our irish success stories, like enya, or mary coughlan, who for many years has spoken about suffering from depression and alcoholism and her battle to overcome it, and she never sought the limelight like sinead o connor did.

the honest truth here is that the only people i feel sorry for here are her children, who have to put up with her nonsense!

EDIT: actually no, i also feel sorry for people who actually are clinically diagnosed as suffering from bi-polar disorder, because some celebrities have chosen to make it the 'disorder du jour', and now for anyone actually genuinely suffering from bi-polar disorder, its going to be that much harder for them to be taken seriously because people will associate them with drug fuelled attention seeking ego-maniacs!

Drug counsellor = drug dealer? Or are you just a muppet?

Nodin · 25-04-2012 02:01PM

He wasn't even her drug counsellor....she met him via the net. It's amazing how people see what they want to see.

Samba · 25-04-2012 02:03PM

FearDark wrote: »

Attention seeking whore. Don't care. Fúck off Sinead.

Thanks whore calls SO an attention whore, quite ironic! Why would you go out of your way to comment on something to the effect you don't care, when you really don't care?

She's an exceptionally talented singer, I don't particularly like her music, but damn, I really admire her voice and talent, regardless of what she does in her private life.

xsiborg · 25-04-2012 03:38PM

Nodin wrote: »

xsiborg wrote: »

nothing wrong with back tracking to make myself clearer surely?

and i totally agree with you that talent will always out, but she used the media to get attention for herself, as distinct from getting attention for her musical talent.

...a lot of what shes done has had her mental illness behind it. She exhibits some classic symptoms.

we can all exhibit symptoms of mental disorder Nodin, thats my bug bear with this issue, its that its impossible for an outsider to look at her and form a diagnosis without ever having met her and having only a vague idea of the disorder as opposed to doctors who are experts in diagnosing the condition. its become all too easy for people to say 'im bipolar, thats my excuse!' if you get me, rather than take responsibility for their actions.

Nodin · 25-04-2012 03:41PM

xsiborg wrote: »

we can all exhibit symptoms of mental disorder Nodin, thats my bug bear with this issue, its that its impossible for an outsider to look at her and form a diagnosis without ever having met her and having only a vague idea of the disorder as opposed to doctors who are experts in diagnosing the condition. its become all too easy for people to say 'im bipolar, thats my excuse!' if you get me, rather than take responsibility for their actions.

She was diagnosed many, many years ago. They don't prescribe drugs for you at your word when you turn up and say "I'm bipolar".

xsiborg · 25-04-2012 03:43PM

mikom wrote: »

xsiborg wrote: »

nothing wrong with back tracking to make myself clearer surely?

and i totally agree with you that talent will always out, but she used the media to get attention for herself, as distinct from getting attention for her musical talent.

Talent vs. media attention.....

Google search

Sinead O Connor About 44,800,000 results

justin beiber About 448,000,000 results

Which one is more talented?
Which one is in your face everyday?

mikom all that shows is just that opinions on talent and taste are subjective, even i now in fairness wouldnt compare justin bieber's flash in the pan 'career' to sinead o connor who has had a 20 year career and was around long before google and youtube. in fairness now that was an apples and oranges comparison.

xsiborg · 25-04-2012 03:50PM

Brain Stroking wrote: »

xsiborg wrote: »

not at all, the fact that im so cynical of ridiculous excuses for behaviour that i'd sooner attribute to drugs than the new celebrity mental disorder has nothing to do with the fact that im irish.

as to how do i know she spent the last 20 years on drugs? well i too have seen her interviews and read her interview articles in which she talks about having used drugs and so on, and then recently she married her drug counsellor and tried to get high on their honeymoon.

now you're hardly going to tell me she was seeing a drug counsellor for taking skittles are you?

no begrudgery here, in fact im quite proud of many of our irish success stories, like enya, or mary coughlan, who for many years has spoken about suffering from depression and alcoholism and her battle to overcome it, and she never sought the limelight like sinead o connor did.

the honest truth here is that the only people i feel sorry for here are her children, who have to put up with her nonsense!

EDIT: actually no, i also feel sorry for people who actually are clinically diagnosed as suffering from bi-polar disorder, because some celebrities have chosen to make it the 'disorder du jour', and now for anyone actually genuinely suffering from bi-polar disorder, its going to be that much harder for them to be taken seriously because people will associate them with drug fuelled attention seeking ego-maniacs!

Drug counsellor = drug dealer? Or are you just a muppet?

i never implied he was her drug dealer? i said he was her drug counsellor and that he has questionable ethics because instead of trying to get her off drugs, he got involved with her and then the two of them flew off to vegas, a city awash with drugs, temptation at every turn. hardly the wisest move now was it?

Nodin · 25-04-2012 03:54PM

xsiborg wrote: »

i never implied he was her drug dealer? i said he was her drug counsellor and that he has questionable ethics because instead of trying to get her off drugs, he got involved with her and then the two of them flew off to vegas, a city awash with drugs, temptation at every turn. hardly the wisest move now was it?

For the love of christ.......He was not her drug counsellor. For reasons known best unto herself she decided to get a husband over the internet. The guy she decided on happened to be a drug counsellor.

xsiborg · 25-04-2012 03:58PM

Nodin wrote: »

He wasn't even her drug counsellor....she met him via the net. It's amazing how people see what they want to see.

not really nodin, naturally my perception would be colored by the fact that i find it hard to take her seriously after years of her antics when she had more than enough lessons in the media to rein herself in, and yet she kept coming out with more and more outrageous stunts! of course its hard for me to be sympathetic when for years we've been subjected to more stunts than any actual singing.

i didnt realise she'd only met him on the internet either. tbh i wasnt all that interested in reading up on her too much as i figured this was just another publicity stunt seeing as she'd cried wolf so many times before and played the persecuted victim! this is why i think she does a dis-service to anyone genuinely suffering with the condition as the media now associates her as the new poster child for bipolar disorder, having taken over the crown from kerry katona.

xsiborg · 25-04-2012 04:02PM

Nodin wrote: »

xsiborg wrote: »

i never implied he was her drug dealer? i said he was her drug counsellor and that he has questionable ethics because instead of trying to get her off drugs, he got involved with her and then the two of them flew off to vegas, a city awash with drugs, temptation at every turn. hardly the wisest move now was it?

For the love of christ.......He was not her drug counsellor. For reasons known best unto herself she decided to get a husband over the internet. The guy she decided on happened to be a drug counsellor.

yes nodin, i acknowledged this in my post afterwards, i didnt realise he wasnt her drug counsellor. im posting from the mobile at the moment and its a bit of a PITA because its so slow and having to try and snip out bits so i dont end up with a monster post!

Nodin · 25-04-2012 04:04PM

xsiborg wrote: »

not really nodin, naturally my perception would be colored by the fact that i find it hard to take her seriously after years of her antics when she had more than enough lessons in the media to rein herself in, and yet she kept coming out with more and more outrageous stunts! of course its hard for me to be sympathetic when for years we've been subjected to more stunts than any actual singing..

Did ever occur to you that they weren't "stunts" but somebody acting with impaired judgement? Ever notice how a lot of her statements are linked to the subject of religion....?

xsiborg wrote: »

i didnt realise she'd only met him on the internet either. tbh i wasnt all that interested in reading up on her too much as i figured this was just another publicity stunt seeing as she'd cried wolf so many times before and played the persecuted victim! this is why i think she does a dis-service to anyone genuinely suffering with the condition as the media now associates her as the new poster child for bipolar disorder, having taken over the crown from kerry katona.

If you'd be as good, do tell me how you come to think she is not "genuinely suffering" from the condition.

Salt001 · 25-04-2012 06:07PM

This woman just drives me insane.
She has a fantastic voice but the rest of her gives me hives

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I can understand if she is ill but why she feels the need to broadcast her every move to the media (and then give out about the intrusion ) I just don't get.
Whats the betting she will be back in two months on 'The Late Late'.
I do hope though that the woman gets the help that she needs and finds some peace in her life.

xsiborg · 25-04-2012 06:08PM

Nodin wrote: »

Did ever occur to you that they weren't "stunts" but somebody acting with impaired judgement? Ever notice how a lot of her statements are linked to the subject of religion....?

of course it occurred to me nodin, hence why i put her behaviour down to attention seeking nonsense and her judgement impaired by copious illicit substances and her craving for attention. she always just struck me as very "needy", and this was before i'd even heard of bipolar disorder.

her continued statements (out of respect for your opinion i'll refrain from calling them stunts) were to me just constant attention seeking because she knew slating the catholic church would get up peoples noses and get her attention. i just put this down to what i perceived was a persecution complex and a craving for attention. tommy tiernan does the same any time he gets on the late late show, as does david mcsavage. this is why it gets tiresome and people fail to take the matter seriously, because people they perceive as nut jobs come across as just trying to be controversial to get attention.

Nodin wrote: »

If you'd be as good, do tell me how you come to think she is not "genuinely suffering" from the condition.

because nodin im a very cynical person tbh, im not a clinical psychologist so i couldnt possibly form a more informed opinion on whether she is or isnt genuinely bipolar. my main assertion all along is that too many celebrities nowadays are abdicating personal responsibility in favour of just coming out and saying they're bipolar, that's why they act like ass-hats.

this is why i say they do a dis-service to anyone who is genuinely bipolar and isnt in the limelight. it's very hard then for them to be taken seriously by the average person who isnt a clinical psychiatrist and doesnt know a whole lot about bipolar disorder.

heavyballs · 25-04-2012 06:09PM

Forest Demon wrote: »

I hope the media leaves her alone

I hope she leaves the media alone

Nodin · 25-04-2012 06:13PM

xsiborg wrote: »

.................
because nodin im a very cynical person tbh, im not a clinical psychologist so i couldnt possibly form a more informed opinion on whether she is or isnt genuinely bipolar. my main assertion all along is that too many celebrities nowadays are abdicating personal responsibility in favour of just coming out and saying they're bipolar, that's why they act like ass-hats.

this is why i say they do a dis-service to anyone who is genuinely bipolar and isnt in the limelight. it's very hard then for them to be taken seriously by the average person who isnt a clinical psychiatrist and doesnt know a whole lot about bipolar disorder.

So you're ignoring the fact she has been diagnosed with the disorder, because it suits you, and she does people a disservice by having the disease and its efffects as a public figure, rather than ending her career and taking off to a cave.

Nodin · 25-04-2012 06:14PM

Salt001 wrote: »

This woman just drives me insane.
She has a fantastic voice but the rest of her gives me hives .
I can understand if she is ill but why she feels the need to broadcast her every move to the media (and then give out about the intrusion ) I just don't get.
...........

....because she has impaired judgement...?

xsiborg · 25-04-2012 06:30PM

Nodin wrote: »

So you're ignoring the fact she has been diagnosed with the disorder, because it suits you, and she does people a disservice by having the disease and its efffects as a public figure, rather than ending her career and taking off to a cave.

im not ignoring it at all nodin, im questioning it because im skeptical that its actually true, i mean, look at how michael jackson ended up when he was diagnosed with body dismorphia years ago? sometimes even doctors can be unscrupulous when they're paid enough money.

i personally think she ended her own career years ago with her statements and made herself a figure to be publicly ridiculed by the media. i dont think for a second we've seen the last of sinead, i think she'll be back, but hopefully she'll be back with the intention of promoting her music rather than promoting her personal issues.

i also think its a bit much Nodin to suggest she lives in a cave, a quick google gave me this-

With a net worth of $6 million, singer and songwriter Sinead O’Connor also has seen her fair share of controversy. Her net worth hasn’t been to blame for this, however, instead it’s been her controversial views and outspoken demeanor that O’Connor is associated with in the minds of much of the public. Her career in music began in the early 1980s, with Sinead eventually joining up with a band called Ton Ton Macoute, named for the zombies of Haitian folklore. Her work with the band eventually earned her a record deal with Ensign Records, where her first important project wound up being recording a song with legendary guitarist The Edge of U2 for the movie Captive. O’Connor continued to record music, even being allowed to produce her first album despite only being 20 years old and pregnant! But it wasn’t until her second album, I Don’t Want What I Haven’t Got, that her breakout song was latched onto by audiences. The song, “Nothing Compares 2 U,” was written by Prince and was famous for its austere music video, which featured a close-up of O’Connor sadly singing the ballad before crying a single tear. Sinead O’Connor became a big star after that, but her career descended into controversy after she infamously tore up a picture of the Pope on Saturday Night Live, an action that still carries consequences for her career to this day.

she has more than enough to keep her for the rest of her days out of the limelight should she wish to do so.

Nodin · 25-04-2012 06:35PM

xsiborg wrote: »

im not ignoring it at all nodin, im questioning it because im skeptical that its actually true,..

Why wouldn't it be? You've yet to suggest any benefit the woman might accrue.

xsiborg wrote: »

i also think its a bit much Nodin to suggest she lives in a cave,,..

I didn't suggest that she did.

Corkfeen · 25-04-2012 06:43PM

xsiborg wrote: »

we can all exhibit symptoms of mental disorder Nodin, thats my bug bear with this issue, its that its impossible for an outsider to look at her and form a diagnosis without ever having met her and having only a vague idea of the disorder as opposed to doctors who are experts in diagnosing the condition. its become all too easy for people to say 'im bipolar, thats my excuse!' if you get me, rather than take responsibility for their actions.

Stephen Fry is an example of another individual with bipolar and he describes it rather well so maybe it might make you reconsider your unfounded claims. What he describes bares many similarities with her own behaviour. She was diagnosed so why do you continue to claim that she was acting out when you have evidence to back this up. Claiming its a celebrity condition is absolute rubbish. Although perhaps you also think that Stephen Fry was acting out as a result of substance abuse?

Fry spent years drinking vodka and taking cocaine to numb the internal anguish of his depression. "I'm actually kind of sobbing and kind of tearing at the walls inside my own brain while my mouth is, you know, wittering away in some amusing fashion," he says... Doctors estimate that one in 100 have bipolar disorder, but some researchers think the true figure could be far higher. Campaigners say only about half of sufferers are actually diagnosed and, on average, this can take eight years.
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/stephen-fry-my-battle-with-mental-illness-416386.html

xsiborg · 25-04-2012 07:22PM

ah look lads, we're going round in circles here!

- im not claiming she does or doesnt have it, im merely saying that im skeptical she has it.

- im saying that because of the way she is perceived in the media and by the media, she comes off as an attention seeker who craves attention. she could've shy'ed away from the limelight years ago when she was first diagnosed with the disorder, as she knew what to expect from the media. her career became more about her outlandish statements than her singing.

- im merely being cynical in suggesting that this is another "cry wolf" effort and that she has succeeded yet again in gaining attention for herslf. are we supposed to believe her this time now? i doubt she cares too much what the average person thinks of her tbh.

Nodin wrote: »

Why wouldn't it be? You've yet to suggest any benefit the woman might accrue.

for the attention she so badly craves nodin, this is the benefit to her i think, the validation she seeks for people to take notice of her.

Nodin wrote: »

I didn't suggest that she did.

you did nodin when you suggested that i implied she go off and hide in a cave.

Corkfeen wrote: »

Stephen Fry is an example of another individual with bipolar and he describes it rather well so maybe it might make you reconsider your unfounded claims. What he describes bares many similarities with her own behaviour. She was diagnosed so why do you continue to claim that she was acting out when you have evidence to back this up. Claiming its a celebrity condition is absolute rubbish. Although perhaps you also think that Stephen Fry was acting out as a result of substance abuse?

stephen fry has no shortage of his own detractors too, but i know even less about stephen fry than i do about sinead o connor, so i honestly cant form any sort of an opinion on the man.

i didnt claim even once that it was a celebrity condition, i said it was a condition that many celebrities are using nowadays to abdicate responsibility for their behaviour. if i shoved alcohol down my throat and half a pound of coke up my nose and tore up the town, would i too then be considered bipolar, or would i just be a misguided miscreant who sought to not be held responsible for my behaviour?

im saying that celebrities use the disorder as a convenient excuse, that's all, and that's all i've said since the beginning of this thread, and that is why i feel that they do a dis-service to ordinary people who suffer from the condition who are not celebrities.

The King of Moo · 25-04-2012 08:37PM

"Sure she's been diagnosed with bipolar disorder and displays all the symptoms of it, but I'm still cynical about whether she's a genuine sufferer as that's who I am.
I think, if she does have the condition, then despite her impaired judgement, she should behave in a manner I deem rational by keeping out of the limelight and not publicising her music, which lots of people like."

This new "opinions trump evidence and expert knowledge because we're all entitled to our own opinions" culture is absurd.

Take care of yourself Sinead.

Nodin · 25-04-2012 09:33PM

xsiborg wrote: »

ah look lads, we're going round in circles here!

- im not claiming she does or doesnt have it, im merely saying that im skeptical she has it.
.

By being sceptical of her having it, you are saying she doesn't or 'probably does not' have it.

xsiborg wrote: »

- im saying that because of the way she is perceived in the media and by the media, she comes off as an attention seeker who craves attention. she could've shy'ed away from the limelight years ago when she was first diagnosed with the disorder, as she knew what to expect from the media. her career became more about her outlandish statements than her singing.

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....which have been counter-productive. She could have garnered attention in other and far more profitable ways. Yet you keep ignoring this.

xsiborg wrote: »

- im merely being cynical in suggesting that this is another "cry wolf" effort and that she has succeeded yet again in gaining attention for herslf. are we supposed to believe her this time now? i doubt she cares too much what the average person thinks of her tbh.
.

"another cry wolf effort" implies that (a) shes faking it and (b) shes done so previously. You refuse to accept the obvious, yet provide no evidence as to why you should not.

xsiborg wrote: »

for the attention she so badly craves nodin, this is the benefit to her i think, the validation she seeks for people to take notice of her. .

She could gain attention in any number of more beneficial ways.

xsiborg wrote: »

stephen fry has no shortage of his own detractors too, but i know even less about stephen fry than i do about sinead o connor, so i honestly cant form any sort of an opinion on the man..

A complete lack of facts and disinterest in the few thrown at you haven't in any way hindered you branding O'Connor a liar, so why stop at her?

evolving_doors · 25-04-2012 09:49PM

Really and truly its the music that matters and as such, sinead was a one hit cover version wonder, the only reason shes in the public eye is because of her social commentary etc., basically the headline should read...
“SInead decides to stop singing 'Nothing Compares to you' for a while"

Not much of a story really, dont get me wrong though, a one hit wonder...but what a wonderful hit it was and still is.

Sinead O Connor to leave music world. Tour aborted in Germany.

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