Munster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread.

Flincher · 23-04-2012 07:10PM

PhatPiggins wrote: »

Absolutely, just a shadow game from Diamond. Redpath is nailed on to be Sale coach next season. That said he's a very good backs coach and I wouldn't mind seeing him as part of the Munster coaching mix.

Foley/Redpath would have been an interesting duo.

Gloucester have always played a decent brand of rugby, and Redpath has brought the likes of Burns, May and Sharples through in the last couple of years.

PhatPiggins · 23-04-2012 10:58PM

Flincher wrote: »

Foley/Redpath would have been an interesting duo.

Gloucester have always played a decent brand of rugby, and Redpath has brought the likes of Burns, May and Sharples through in the last couple of years.

I'm very surprised that Redpath has left Gloucester. He seemed to be making steady progress up to about six weeks ago. Moving to Sale would hardly be a step up for him.

ormond lad · 25-04-2012 11:11AM

Denis Fogarty leaving at end of season to go to French Pro Div 2 side Aurillac. http://www.munsterrugby.ie/news/10414.php
Interesting that he was asked to stay but decided to leave.

Otacon · 25-04-2012 11:18AM

ormond lad wrote: »

Denis Fogarty leaving at end of season to go to French Pro Div 2 side Aurillac. http://www.munsterrugby.ie/news/10414.php
Interesting that he was asked to stay but decided to leave.

Both Varley and Sherry are ahead of him. With Best, Cronin and possibly Strauss in the Ireland set up also, the chances of gametime with the Munster first team would be very limited.

Hope he does well for himself over there.

profitius · 25-04-2012 11:19AM

ormond lad wrote: »

Denis Fogarty leaving at end of season to go to French Pro Div 2 side Aurillac. http://www.munsterrugby.ie/news/10414.php
Interesting that he was asked to stay but decided to leave.

Good move for him. I don't know why they wanted him to stay to be 4th choice hooker. They also have Casey and Scannell to call on from the academy.

25-04-2012 11:21AM

profitius wrote: »

Good move for him. I don't know why they wanted him to stay to be 4th choice hooker. They also have Casey and Scannell to call on from the academy.

exactly, potential for first team rugby, and also I'd imagine the fact that Davidson will be at the helm could mean that he's had some coaching aspects worked into his path?

thomond2006 · 25-04-2012 11:41AM

Good luck to Denis! No point in staying now.

If only his throwing was as good as play in the loose.

phog · 25-04-2012 12:54PM

Best of luck to him, I hope it works out for him. At 29 it's a big step, maybe he'd hve been better of going a couple of years back.

thomond2006 · 25-04-2012 01:04PM

phog wrote: »

Best of luck to him, I hope it works out for him. At 29 it's a big step, maybe he'd hve been better of going a couple of years back.

I'd say he would have left or been let go had Flannery not repeatedly got injured.

profitius · 25-04-2012 01:17PM

Deleted User wrote: »

exactly, potential for first team rugby, and also I'd imagine the fact that Davidson will be at the helm could mean that he's had some coaching aspects worked into his path?

He could be too young for a coaching role yet I'd say. Also, hes not the greatest thrower so I don't think he would make a great coach.

The difference between Munster and Leinster, Ulster these days is theres no way Leinster or Ulster would have offered him a contract extension if they were in Munsters position. Did the brains trust in Munster think Fogs is suddenly going to become a good thrower at 28 years of age? Niall Scannell and Duncan Casey are already waiting in the wings and I'd bet both of those are better throwers which is a hookers bread and butter skill.

Good luck to Fogs in France. He is a good ball carrier and has a great attitude. A move to France isn't a bad move either.

SomeFool · 25-04-2012 02:57PM

profitius wrote: »

He could be too young for a coaching role yet I'd say. Also, hes not the greatest thrower so I don't think he would make a great coach.

Those who can, do, those who can't teach

Best of luck to him, hope it works out well in France.

PhatPiggins · 25-04-2012 05:15PM

Was only offered a year extension with Munster and 2 years and a pay rise in France. Wouldn't take long to decide on that one.

thomond2006 · 25-04-2012 05:28PM

PhatPiggins wrote: »

Was only offered a year extension with Munster and 2 years and a pay rise in France. Wouldn't take long to decide on that one.

I'm actually surprised Munster offered him a deal.

Amazotheamazing · 25-04-2012 05:32PM

thomond2006 wrote: »

I'm actually surprised Munster offered him a deal.

Not that surprisingly, he's supposed to be great for the squad, same like Guy Easterby was with Ireland.

26-04-2012 07:51AM

Weird place for the IT to put this sentence, but it's in the news of Nacewa's re-signing

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2012/0426/1224315192700.html

Munster hooker Denis Fogarty has said that frustration with not getting game time was the primary reason for turning down the offer of a new two-year contract and opting to move to France.

razorblunt · 26-04-2012 09:07AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Weird place for the IT to put this sentence, but it's in the news of Nacewa's re-signing

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2012/0426/1224315192700.html

2 year contract with Munster or 2nd Divison French rugby. Think Munster dodged a bullet there, never really rated Fogarty, quite rightly 3rd choice behind Sherry and Varley.

Why are Munster so reluctant to cut the deadwood?

bamboozle · 26-04-2012 09:13AM

razorblunt wrote: »

2 year contract with Munster or 2nd Divison French rugby. Think Munster dodged a bullet there, never really rated Fogarty, quite rightly 3rd choice behind Sherry and Varley.

Why are Munster so reluctant to cut the deadwood?

very good question, there are 3 or 4 lads i can think of straight away who are hanging around for 3 or 4 seasons at this stage and at best get a handful of Rabo starts. Combine their salary and put it towards a top class 6/8 or 12.

i think in future seasons as the academy starts to bear more fruit munster will be far more ruthless/professional in moving players along.

ormond lad · 26-04-2012 09:16AM

bamboozle wrote: »

very good question, there are 3 or 4 lads i can think of straight away who are hanging around for 3 or 4 seasons at this stage and at best get a handful of Rabo starts. Combine their salary and put it towards a top class 6/8 or 12.

i think in future seasons as the academy starts to bear more fruit munster will be far more ruthless/professional in moving players along.

Depressingly i dont think we will. theres a bit too much control by certain areas of munster who have too much influence on the overall scheme of things and are influencing decisions for their benefit even though the impact of the decisions will impact the whole province

thomond2006 · 26-04-2012 11:07AM

bamboozle wrote: »

very good question, there are 3 or 4 lads i can think of straight away who are hanging around for 3 or 4 seasons at this stage and at best get a handful of Rabo starts. Combine their salary and put it towards a top class 6/8 or 12.

i think in future seasons as the academy starts to bear more fruit munster will be far more ruthless/professional in moving players along.

You need those players to bolster a squad though, look at what's happened with the backrow this year.

I think Munster have become more ruthless over the years, McGahan inherited a very old squad from Kidney.

bamboozle · 26-04-2012 11:31AM

thomond2006 wrote: »

You need those players to bolster a squad though, look at what's happened with the backrow this year.

I think Munster have become more ruthless over the years, McGahan inherited a very old squad from Kidney.

disagree, when the squad becomes stretched call up academy/development players.

Munster have a far larger squad than the other provinces.

Cpt_Blackbeard · 26-04-2012 11:58AM

bamboozle wrote: »

disagree, when the squad becomes stretched call up academy/development players.

Munster have a far larger squad than the other provinces.

Without looking up the figures, Munster would have around 5 more players in their squad than Leinster. There is some dead weight there, but the majority of it has been needed throughout the year due to the plethora of injuries - I'd hazard a guess that we've had 8-10 players missing for a majority of the season. Without these mid-tier players, Munster would have had real need for a series of medical jokers throughout the year.

Anyway, the squad has been stretched and Munster have called up academy and development players, rather than bringing in unnecessary medical jokers. Munster used more and capped players than both provinces in the HEC and I'd assume that the same holds true for the Rabo.

donfers · 26-04-2012 01:28PM

ormond lad wrote: »

Depressingly i dont think we will. theres a bit too much control by certain areas of munster who have too much influence on the overall scheme of things and are influencing decisions for their benefit even though the impact of the decisions will impact the whole province

care to elaborate on that

Incidentally what has happened to Tokula - some rumours that he has already gone home, was this even announced or did they just shunt him out the back door and hope nobody noticed that they bought him in the first place?

Whoever is in charge of player recruitment at Munster has been woefully incompetent in the last few years - is it McGahan or Fitzgerald or someone else?

The list of failures goes on and on

Spudmonkey · 26-04-2012 01:30PM

Cpt_Blackbeard wrote: »

Without looking up the figures, Munster would have around 5 more players in their squad than Leinster. There is some dead weight there, but the majority of it has been needed throughout the year due to the plethora of injuries - I'd hazard a guess that we've had 8-10 players missing for a majority of the season. Without these mid-tier players, Munster would have had real need for a series of medical jokers throughout the year.

I think Munster have a squad of 47 to Leinster's 40.

profitius · 26-04-2012 01:33PM

Munster have been very unlucky with injuries this season and still there are players who are just on the squad fringes getting the odd game. Deasy, Gleeson, Dineen, Foley, Nagle, Henry, Cusack, Condon, John Ryan, Kilcoyne, Barnes, Borlase, Butler, Fogarty, Darragh Hurley, Holland, Scanlon, Stringer, Duncan Williams. Thats not including JJ Hanrahan, Brian Hayes, Cotter, Sheridan etc or a certain Save Tokula!

They should cut the following from the squad IMO: Holland, Cusack, Gleeson, Deasy, Borlase, Fogarty and Darragh Hurley. If players are getting on in age and don't look like breaking into the first team then I don't see the point of having them there. Leinster and Ulster are far more efficient with their squads. Ulster have a small squad but they concentrated on quality over qualtity. Leinster and Ulster are far quicker in letting players go if they're not reaching a required standard. Look at Ulster. Ian Whitten, Willie Faloon, Niall O'Connor etc were all getting regular games with them but still they were/are being left go.

Munster are trying to hold onto 3rd and 4th choice squad players! It blocks the development of young players.

The most galling thing of all is that despite the massive squad it hasn't helped them do much in the league this season!

It looks like Troy Smith is being left go with Flannery and MOD retiring. It wouldn't surprise me to see Leamy or David Wallace retire too.

Lelantos · 26-04-2012 01:36PM

Cpt_Blackbeard wrote: »

bamboozle wrote: »

disagree, when the squad becomes stretched call up academy/development players.

Munster have a far larger squad than the other provinces.

Without looking up the figures, Munster would have around 5 more players in their squad than Leinster. There is some dead weight there, but the majority of it has been needed throughout the year due to the plethora of injuries - I'd hazard a guess that we've had 8-10 players missing for a majority of the season. Without these mid-tier players, Munster would have had real need for a series of medical jokers throughout the year.

Anyway, the squad has been stretched and Munster have called up academy and development players, rather than bringing in unnecessary medical jokers. Munster used more and capped players than both provinces in the HEC and I'd assume that the same holds true for the Rabo.

By the England game I had counted 21 players missing thru international duty & injuries, , that was a crucial factor in our season not panning out as we had hoped.

bamboozle · 26-04-2012 01:39PM

donfers wrote: »

care to elaborate on that

Incidentally what has happened to Tokula - some rumours that he has already gone home, was this even announced or did they just shunt him out the back door and hope nobody noticed that they bought him in the first place?

Whoever is in charge of player recruitment at Munster has been woefully incompetent in the last few years - is it McGahan or Fitzgerald or someone else?

The list of failures goes on and on

dare i suggest the inference directed towards Cork Con

phog · 26-04-2012 01:39PM

bamboozle wrote: »

disagree, when the squad becomes stretched call up academy/development players.

Munster have a far larger squad than the other provinces.

Amazing the way supporters from one province always think another province should call up academy players to replace/cover injured players but can justify the buying players for cover in their own province.

For the record Munster have 49 (incl Hayes, Tokula and Chambers) while Leinster have 44.

bamboozle · 26-04-2012 01:44PM

profitius wrote: »

Munster have been very unlucky with injuries this season and still there are players who are just on the squad fringes getting the odd game. Deasy, Gleeson, Dineen, Foley, Nagle, Henry, Cusack, Condon, John Ryan, Kilcoyne, Barnes, Borlase, Butler, Fogarty, Darragh Hurley, Holland, Scanlon, Stringer, Duncan Williams. Thats not including JJ Hanrahan, Brian Hayes, Cotter, Sheridan etc or a certain Save Tokula!

They should cut the following from the squad IMO: Holland, Cusack, Gleeson, Deasy, Borlase, Fogarty and Darragh Hurley. If players are getting on in age and don't look like breaking into the first team then I don't see the point of having them there. Leinster and Ulster are far more efficient with their squads. Ulster have a small squad but they concentrated on quality over qualtity. Leinster and Ulster are far quicker in letting players go if they're not reaching a required standard. Look at Ulster. Ian Whitten, Willie Faloon, Niall O'Connor etc were all getting regular games with them but still they were/are being left go.

Munster are trying to hold onto 3rd and 4th choice squad players! It blocks the development of young players.

The most galling thing of all is that despite the massive squad it hasn't helped them do much in the league this season!

It looks like Troy Smith is being left go with Flannery and MOD retiring. It wouldn't surprise me to see Leamy or David Wallace retire too.

thanks, you took the time in making the full point i wanted to make.
Look at the likes of Carr, Cronin, Keatley who left their provinces in search of starting spots and even players like Robin Copeland, Michael Keating and Niall Morris who walked away from Academy contracts in search of first team rugby.

bamboozle · 26-04-2012 01:53PM

phog wrote: »

Amazing the way supporters from one province always think another province should call up academy players to replace/cover injured players but can justify the buying players for cover in their own province.

For the record Munster have 49 (incl Hayes, Tokula and Chambers) while Leinster have 44.

Noel Reid, Collie O'Shea, Darren Hudson, Ciaran Ruddock, Martin Moore, Jordi Murphy, Mark Flanagan etc might disagree with you.

my point was not really what you're trying to construe, the point i was originally making was regarding another's poster as to why munster are reluctant to cut the deadwood.

justsomebloke · 26-04-2012 03:17PM

ok lads attack the post and not the poster please.

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