Munster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread.

Lelantos

marienbad wrote: »

Foxtrol wrote: »

The only definite facts available to posters on here - who the provinces have brought in as their head coach in the recent past. Of the appointments over the last number of years how many could be classed at the time they signed up as top tier?

So what exactly are we meant to extrapolate from that piece of info or even non info ? And what exactly defines 'top tier' ?

What do you believe is the definition of "top tier"?

phog

Foxtrol wrote: »

Speculation on boards... never :rolleyes:

I've no problem with speculation but you seem to accept you're speculation as fact while dissing speculation from other posters and after a few posts tit for tating like that it can get tiring.

Foxtrol

phog wrote: »

I've no problem with speculation but you seem to accept you're speculation as fact while dissing speculation from other posters and after a few posts tit for tating like that it can get tiring.

Phog I’m surprised that you find tit for tat arguments tiring as you seem to go out of your way to start them.

Yes my posts are speculation but they’re backed up facts the regular fan can see, in this case the admission of the financial state Munster are in and the three coaches named in the shortlist not being of the level that the media and fans had expected/hoped for. Any “dissing” I’ve done was to posters who made big statements with no evidence at all to back it up, for example: Munster can pay whatever they want on coaching as “It doesn't really matter if Munster make or lose money as we're underwritten by the IRFU” and “There isn't an ambitious coach in the world who wouldn't love the chance to bring Munster back to the top level”. This poster gave nothing to support these statements and if another poster can give some sort of observations to back up either claim then I’d be happy to read.

As for those asking what I’d describe as top tier coach it would be one who has a high level of experience (possibly having won trophies) as head coach in top H Cup, Super Rugby or international side. A coach who can pick and choose which job he takes and one who you would expect to demand a high wage.

By the start of next season all four provinces will have changed their coach in the previous two years and they’ll have started with the following experience levels: Ulster – ITM Cup, Leinster – No head coaching experience, Connacht – Irish under 20’s, Munster – ITM/No head coaching experience/player coach experience. You can say that these choices are down to looking for young, hungry coaches but to say that it has nothing to do with cost is extremely naïve.

irishbucsfan

Foxtrol, what would be a better shortlist in your opinion?

Foxtrol

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Foxtrol, what would be a better shortlist in your opinion?

Read back and there’s already been 3 coaches discussed that I’d rank ahead of the three selected, given imo what Munster need right now (experienced backs orientated coach who can serve for two/three years before Foley is ready). Outside a coach with a backs focus I’d have sounded out Mallet or Richards as I think both would have the experience and balls to make the hard calls that Munster will need over the next few years. Again, these would be in a world were some posters here seem to live were Munster is the job that every coach in the world is dying to get and that the province has unlimited money to match their wage demands. With the situation the province is in in the real world it the current one they came up with is a grand list.

At this stage posters seem to be putting the same questions to me over and over again without putting forward any sort of counter argument so for the second and final time I’m done with this topic, I won’t be responding further.

ForeverYoung90

I bought tickets to Munster v Ulster at Thomond Park in 2 weeks for the North Terrace.Im just curious what the view will be like considering its behind the goals.

Ive been to many gaa games and stood behind the goals and the view can be poor enough especially if your down low.This will be my first Rugby game Ive been to.Didnt want to start a new thread so hopefully I can get any info here.Thanks

marienbad

Any news on the B&I final ? don't see a thread on it

thomond2006

marienbad wrote: »

Any news on the B&I final ? don't see a thread on it

It's next Friday.

ormond lad

marienbad wrote: »

Any news on the B&I final ? don't see a thread on it

Its on in musgrave next friday at 5.30

marienbad

thomond2006 wrote: »

It's next Friday.

Thanks Thomond , I donno why but I was convinced it was today and I very nearly drove to Cork !

phog

ForeverYoung90 wrote: »

I bought tickets to Munster v Ulster at Thomond Park in 2 weeks for the North Terrace.Im just curious what the view will be like considering its behind the goals.

Ive been to many gaa games and stood behind the goals and the view can be poor enough especially if your down low.This will be my first Rugby game Ive been to.Didnt want to start a new thread so hopefully I can get any info here.Thanks

The view is fine, unless you're less than 5 foot. Obviously you'll be 100m away from the other try line but I never find it too much bother when I'm on one of the end terraces. Also, the big screen & scorebaord will be behind you.

ForeverYoung90

phog wrote: »

The view is fine, unless you're less than 5 foot. Obviously you'll be 100m away from the other try line but I never find it too much bother when I'm on one of the end terraces. Also, the big screen & scorebaord will be behind you.

Screen behind me?So thats why the south terrace was sold out I guess.:rolleyes:

justsomebloke

Just remember rugby pitches are shorter then gaa pitches which will help

phog

ForeverYoung90 wrote: »

Screen behind me?So thats why the south terrace was sold out I guess.:rolleyes:

You'll be fine, I'd guess, if you stand at the barrier closer to the field and towards the east stand you may have a better view of the big screen when you look over your shoulder. Also note, that additional seats have been used in the H/C 1/4 final and the Pro12 game V Leinster and they may very well be there for the Ulster game.

Benny Cake

ForeverYoung90 wrote: »

I bought tickets to Munster v Ulster at Thomond Park in 2 weeks for the North Terrace.Im just curious what the view will be like considering its behind the goals.

For RDP12 games its very easy to get from the North Terrace to East/West where the view is much better.... Just explain to a steward that you were already in & a mate has your ticket stub. Simples....

Amazotheamazing

Good to see Kilcoyne last night, really looked comfortable, albeit the Scarlets aren't exactly a strong scrummaging team.

theKramer

Was he one of the props found from that trial session they did last year of AIL props?
On Munsterfans they were saying he did well, and that Archer struggled when he came on, to put it into perspective, so hopefully Kilcoyne is the real deal (and I know one is a LH and the other a TH) :-)

irishbucsfan

Kilcoyne did really well around the field. His scrummaging was ok.

Worth bearing in mind that it wasn't really a great test for him in the scrum. The rest of the front row was completely dominant, so it was hardly a big task. Indeed it seemed Manu was the only man capable of standing his ground at scrum time, whereas a destructive and experienced scrummager probably would have won a few penalties. With the momentum Munster had I would have liked to see a bit of messing from him to get under Manu.

However that is looking at things very critically. He was excellent around the field and it was a good performance. I look forward to seeing him again, hopefully he'll put himself ahead of Horan soon.

PhatPiggins

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Kilcoyne did really well around the field. His scrummaging was ok.

Worth bearing in mind that it wasn't really a great test for him in the scrum. The rest of the front row was completely dominant, so it was hardly a big task. Indeed it seemed Manu was the only man capable of standing his ground at scrum time, whereas a destructive and experienced scrummager probably would have won a few penalties. With the momentum Munster had I would have liked to see a bit of messing from him to get under Manu.

However that is looking at things very critically. He was excellent around the field and it was a good performance. I look forward to seeing him again, hopefully he'll put himself ahead of Horan soon.

I think Horan is begining to get found out a lot this season. Kilcoyne seems to be in the Du Preez mould of LH's which would be a nice addition for Munster.

On a side note I thought the english speaking commentator on S4C was very good. Really good knowledge of all positions and surprisingly impartial. The guys they usually have on sound like they pulled them from the pub 10 minutes earlier.

Amazotheamazing

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Kilcoyne did really well around the field. His scrummaging was ok.

Worth bearing in mind that it wasn't really a great test for him in the scrum. The rest of the front row was completely dominant, so it was hardly a big task. Indeed it seemed Manu was the only man capable of standing his ground at scrum time, whereas a destructive and experienced scrummager probably would have won a few penalties. With the momentum Munster had I would have liked to see a bit of messing from him to get under Manu.

However that is looking at things very critically. He was excellent around the field and it was a good performance. I look forward to seeing him again, hopefully he'll put himself ahead of Horan soon.

I think it's important to be critical though, his scrummaging has a long way to go but he's going to push for a spot in the 23 from here on out.

buck65

But what of the great white hope Archer?
Every time I've seen him come on this season the scrum disintegrates, yet we are persisiting with him? would like to see what else we have in reserve, Archer won't do.

CatFromHue

Sale chairman Steve Diamond has revealed that former Gloucester coach Bryan Redpath joined Tana Umaga, Rob Penney and Anthony Foley in being interviewed for the head coach vacancy at Munster last week.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/heineken-cup/nacewa-fears-irfu-rules-could-force-him-to-leave-leinster-3088625.html

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Interesting comment from Steve Diamond to say the least!

irishbucsfan

Didn't Redpath leave specifically to go to the new job? Bit strange for him to be interviewing with Munster!

CatFromHue

The Redpath situation is a bit murky at the moment. Gloucester have said publicly that they will take Sale to court if it's found out that they made an approach to Redpath while he was in charge of Gloucester. They are on a bit of losing streak at the moment and as far as I know Redpath left after the loss to Newcastle which was their fourth in a row. They won't qualify for the HEC now and it didn't look too promising for them when Redpath left.

touts

It might be a bit of a "How could we possibly have tapped him up to leave Gloucester. Look he was interviewed by Munster as well as us".

PhatPiggins

touts wrote: »

It might be a bit of a "How could we possibly have tapped him up to leave Gloucester. Look he was interviewed by Munster as well as us".

Absolutely, just a shadow game from Diamond. Redpath is nailed on to be Sale coach next season. That said he's a very good backs coach and I wouldn't mind seeing him as part of the Munster coaching mix.

Amazotheamazing

buck65 wrote: »

But what of the great white hope Archer?
Every time I've seen him come on this season the scrum disintegrates, yet we are persisiting with him? would like to see what else we have in reserve, Archer won't do.

Genuinely don't think Archer will ever be an International standard prop but players can and do improve. Will be interesting to see how guys like Cotter and Ryan do next season.

shuffol

In some of the scrums I've seen Archer in I've feared for his safety, There was one on saturday in particular where if I remember rightly he got shoved onto his backside, looked very dangerous.

GerM

shuffol wrote: »

In some of the scrums I've seen Archer in I've feared for his safety, There was one on saturday in particular where if I remember rightly he got shoved onto his backside, looked very dangerous.

Unfortunately the best way to learn the propping trade is to get your arse handed to you. However, Archer can be so awkward and far behind his opponent at times in terms of technique, that it's a real safety issue at times. Sometimes he seems to do alright based on power but if his opponent has any tricks up his sleeve, he's in serious difficulty. He shouldn't be put against anyone of any decent calibre beyond Pro12 level or else he could be in major trouble. He was yellow carded for his own safety against Duncan Jones earlier this season. Jones is the highest profile prop that he started against this season and is by no means a world beater. Unless things change radically he's not going to progress further than a Pro12 player. Think we'll see some of the other props in Munster come through ahead of him in the next 18 months.

Amazotheamazing

GerM wrote: »

Unfortunately the best way to learn the propping trade is to get your arse handed to you. However, Archer can be so awkward and far behind his opponent at times in terms of technique, that it's a real safety issue at times. Sometimes he seems to do alright based on power but if his opponent has any tricks up his sleeve, he's in serious difficulty. He shouldn't be put against anyone of any decent calibre beyond Pro12 level or else he could be in major trouble. He was yellow carded for his own safety against Duncan Jones earlier this season. Jones is the highest profile prop that he started against this season and is by no means a world beater. Unless things change radically he's not going to progress further than a Pro12 player. Think we'll see some of the other props in Munster come through ahead of him in the next 18 months.

It's worth remembering Archer has only started 12 games for Munster, he's by no means an established pro It might just be inexperience but I'd have my fears.