Pregnant women smoking and drinking

Tayla · 24-04-2012 07:35PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

think the message of tv licence, combined with the gore of that ad where yer man hits a kid with his car

I would be in favour of it, I do however think that most people are aware of the dangers of smoking and educating people won't make a difference but yea horrific ads may make people think twice.

drinking....I think they are aware it can cause problems but they're not sure what types of problems so a campaign might do some good.

Then I honestly don't think people realise being overweight can be as dangerous as it is, it deserves a massive campaign to highlight the issue.

Guy:Incognito · 24-04-2012 07:36PM

eviltwin wrote: »

I think a lot of hospitals are getting that way which is great. The problem with the maternity hospitals is that they open onto street level so you don't have far to walk.

It's a start though. They shouldnt be seen to be encouraging it. The amount of women in housecoats in the shelter at the Coombe or hanging around smoking at different parts outisde the building is fairly sickening to be fair. Theres always a couple on their way in or out all day.

Eric Cartman · 24-04-2012 07:37PM

Pwindedd wrote: »

are you the "scum of the earth"

This is AH, were trying to drag more people to our level

prinz · 24-04-2012 07:41PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

It's a start though. They shouldnt be seen to be encouraging it. The amount of women in housecoats in the shelter at the Coombe or hanging around smoking at different parts outisde the building is fairly sickening to be fair. Theres always a couple on their way in or out all day.

I was outside the Mater one day waiting for someone and there was a man in a wheelchair outside the front door, he had his oxygen tank on the ground with him, and was removing the face mask just long enough to take a drag of his fag and exhale, then cough, and put his mask back on... just one of those head scratcher wtf moments.

eviltwin · 24-04-2012 07:42PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

It's a start though. They shouldnt be seen to be encouraging it. The amount of women in housecoats in the shelter at the Coombe or hanging around smoking at different parts outisde the building is fairly sickening to be fair. Theres always a couple on their way in or out all day.

Hospitals don't encourage it far from it. There is a lot of information about how to be healthy during pregnancy and support in how to improve one's health.

meoklmrk91 · 24-04-2012 07:43PM

While I personally would not do it, I do not believe it is my business if a pregnant woman drinks or smokes and certainly not anything that should be dealt with with laws. The best thing to do is give people the information and let them do what they wish.

My mother smoked and drank throughout her pregnancies back in the day and had pefectly fine, healthy children. The vast majority of people who were born before the mid 90's would say the same I would guess.

Also I would believe what OP says about the limerick maternity telling them not to drink a drop, I have known others who have had babies in there and they were told the same thing at scans and check ups.

Finally a fun fact for you all, in limerick maternity they now also ask if you and the babies father are related :O

Carlos Orange · 24-04-2012 07:43PM

hondasam wrote: »

Just because you did you think everyone can?

I think the point is that one person doing something is fairly adequate proof it is not impossible.

eviltwin · 24-04-2012 07:44PM

prinz wrote: »

I was outside the Mater one day waiting for someone and there was a man in a wheelchair outside the front door, he had his oxygen tank on the ground with him, and was removing the face mask just long enough to take a drag of his fag and exhale, then cough, and put his mask back on... just one of those head scratcher wtf moments.

My uncle had a triple heart bypass in the mater private and actually had a nurse on hand to bring him outside to smoke every few hours. This despite the fact his smoking was the reason he was in there in the first place.

lividduck · 24-04-2012 07:45PM

eviltwin wrote: »

My uncle had a triple heart bypass in the mater private and actually had a nurse on hand to bring him outside to smoke every few hours. This despite the fact his smoking was the reason he was in there in the first place.

Ah, the joys of Private health insurance,if he went public he probably would only have a porter to bring him out!:D

hondasam · 24-04-2012 07:46PM

psinno wrote: »

I think the point is that one person doing something is fairly adequate proof it is not impossible.

No one said it was impossible. While it's easy for one person does not mean it's easy for everyone.

up for anything · 24-04-2012 07:47PM

LorraineMcFly wrote: »

As its now illegal to smoke indoors in a public place should we also make it illegal for pregnant mothers to smoke and drink alcohol.?
Going on all the studies suggesting it seriously harms the unborn child.

Who are you? Mother Ireland? :rolleyes:

Abi · 24-04-2012 07:56PM

Pwindedd wrote: »

I love how as soon as a woman is pregnant she somehow becomes fair-game for the whole of society to tell her what she can and cannot do. AH is full of mother bashing lately.

How many people here drive a car? are you the "scum of the earth" for driving past a pregnant woman as she passively inhales your toxic exhaust fumes ?

Or are you the person disgusted that this same pregnant woman breast feeds her child in public 6 months later?

No perhaps you're the selfish prick that lets your dog **** in the park for little Johnny to slip and fall in.

Perhaps pregnant mothers should just abort and save the child a life of misery..oh no wait. That's MURDER !!!

Fcuk off - parenting is hard enough without strips being torn off you - usually by other PARENTS.

Perfect parent my arse - no such animal - if you think you are - you're deluded !!!

Well now, wasn't that the proper little hissy fit, I wonder why. This thread is akin to pouring water over some earth then watching the worms rise to the surface. All of the above is nothing but a blown out of proportion rant to disguise weakness and selfishness.

Your defense is laughable really. You threw in the 'as soon as a woman becomes pregnant she is judged' bit, if men could bear children they'd get the same heat. you are a host to another human being.

Moving onto the motorist thing, more blown out of proportion bull.. Driving past a pregnant woman :rolleyes: ffs, smoking a cigarette is a direct hit to your child each time you smoke. They are not comparable.

Most parents would never proclaim to be perfect, but they owe it to the child that never asked to be born the best start in life, and that includes its health.

Those who shout the loudest often are being defensive because they're in the wrong..

44leto · 24-04-2012 08:03PM

How about the partners of pregnant women continuing to smoke and drink while their partner is trying to quit.

Guy:Incognito · 24-04-2012 08:06PM

eviltwin wrote: »

Hospitals don't encourage it far from it. There is a lot of information about how to be healthy during pregnancy and support in how to improve one's health.

I would see providing a shelter for smokers (The Coombe) and letting them smoke in the grounds as encouraging it tbh.

Abi · 24-04-2012 08:06PM

44leto wrote: »

How about the partners of pregnant women continuing to smoke and drink while their partner is trying to quit.

They should tone it down in front of them, especially smoking. It defeats the purpose if the mother is constantly inhaling second hand smoke.

prinz · 24-04-2012 08:08PM

44leto wrote: »

How about the partners of pregnant women continuing to smoke and drink while their partner is trying to quit.

I don't smoke, and I will give up the booze for the full time too*.

(*promise I made after a few pints)

44leto · 24-04-2012 08:08PM

Abi wrote: »

They should tone it down in front of them, especially smoking. It defeats the purpose if the mother is constantly inhaling second hand smoke.

Surely it would make it harder for the woman to quit, I know it would with me.

token101 · 24-04-2012 08:12PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

think the message of tv licence, combined with the gore of that ad where yer man hits a kid with his car

To be fair, if knowing that you are gambling with your child's life doesn't stop you, a few TV adverts won't make much difference.

prinz · 24-04-2012 08:14PM

token101 wrote: »

To be fair, if knowing that you are gambling with your child's life doesn't stop you, a few TV adverts won't make much difference.

I don't know about that. I think the various ad campaigns (drink driving, wearing a seatbelt, drinkaware etc) are having an impact.

ntlbell · 24-04-2012 08:17PM

I'd prefer to see them not banging up and turning the unborn into a junkie. but sure, lets start with second hand smoke.

Abi · 24-04-2012 08:18PM

44leto wrote: »

Abi wrote: »

They should tone it down in front of them, especially smoking. It defeats the purpose if the mother is constantly inhaling second hand smoke.

Surely it would make it harder for the woman to quit, I know it would with me.

I'd imagine it would be difficult if the man is still smoking around her. I think an arrangement should be made in that he also gives up or at least does it nowhere near her.

Both of my parents smoked, still do. Im not someone who Is simply having a go at female smokers, my angle is different. I was the child that was effected by it. Earlier someone said to me, sorry to hear it but it doesn't happen to some.. I had to stop reading after that sentence.

It clearly states that smoking can cause premature birth and underweight babies. I spent my first days in life in an incubator. Who would actually want that for their tiny newborn?

The risks are there, to conscientiously ignore them as a parent to be is a fingers up to your unborn babys health.

Enough if's and buts.

mackg · 24-04-2012 08:19PM

Abi wrote: »

They should tone it down in front of them, especially smoking. It defeats the purpose if the mother is constantly inhaling second hand smoke.

Not just the partners, if there is a pregnant woman in the room you need to be fecking off out of there if you want a fag, whoever you are.

Actually this doesn't just go for pregnant women but kids too.

iguana · 24-04-2012 08:21PM

xzanti wrote: »

Didn't the Surgeon General recently release a statement that one standard glass of wine would do no harm to an unborn baby?

Too lazy to look for links but I definitely remember there being some discussion about in the Media.

Afaik there has not been any definitive conclusion yet as to how much alcohol causes problems in pregnancy. As it may possibly be any at all some medical professionals, especially in the US, advise complete abstinence. But as it most probably is ok to have the occasional drink many professionals now say it's ok to have an occasional small drink.

One thing that people should be careful about doing is using the French as a guide. Drinking in pregnancy is very socially acceptable there however correspondingly their foetal alcohol syndrome rates are some of the highest in Europe. The same is true for their rates of neonatal toxoplasmosis poisoning due to consumption of undercooked meat, in fact they, along with iirc Portugal and Spain, are some of the only countries in Europe and N America who routinely test for toxoplasmosis in pregnancy because it's so common there, whereas it's almost unheard of in their peer countries.

hondasam wrote: »

Majority of pregnant women have a sly cig everyday and go back on them the minute the baby is born.

Sorry but where the hell ar you getting that from? Over 75% of the people in this country do not smoke at all. Do you somehow think that the 23.6% who do are all women of child-bearing age? Most pregnant women do not smoke at all so certainly don't have a sly one for no reason during their pregnancy.

prinz wrote: »

...and that's precisely why there's an obesity problem. Not to mention the problems associated with alcohol and nicotine consumption in the womb.

Why did you cut off the rest of Grindewald's sentence that details her daughter's diabetes, which is type 1 btw and because of that she needs sweet sugary food or drinks sometimes in order to keep her alive? And actually a number of studies show that obesity is least common in children who have moderate amounts of 'junk food' as a normal part of their diet as they don't grow up to have unhealthy psychological associations with junk. They don't learn to prize an unhealthy treat over a healthy one and find it much easier to control their consumption of junk in adulthood.

hondasam wrote: »

I wonder how many men would do this? give up cigs and drink for nine months and then you can't do it while breastfeeding either, give it up for another year.

Lots and lots of men do just this and lots more while trying to conceive in order to do the best for any child they conceive as it's now well known that alcohol consumption, drug (including prescribed) use, smoking and diet all effect the dna of their sperm and can contribute to the ill health and even iq of their child.

meoklmrk91 wrote: »

My mother smoked and drank throughout her pregnancies back in the day and had pefectly fine, healthy children. The vast majority of people who were born before the mid 90's would say the same I would guess.

You unfortunately can not know this yet. Smoking in pregnancy can alter the DNA of the child in a process called DNA methylation, an epigenetic mechanism in which small chemical compounds are added to DNA. So a child may appear fine in the years after it's birth but may be more prone to cancers, cardiovascular disease and lower pulmonary function later in life as the DNA alteration changes the function of certain genes.

And just as seriously, not only can the impact of smoking in pregnancy be later in life problems for the child but also in the children of the child. Smoking in pregnancy can damage your grandchildren as the DNA alteration can pass to the next generation.

prinz · 24-04-2012 08:26PM

iguana wrote: »

Why did you cut off the rest of Grindewald's sentence that details her daughter's diabetes, which is type 1 btw and because of that she needs sweet sugary food or drinks sometimes in order to keep her alive?.

Because I wasn't referring to Grindelwald's own personal situation but rather commenting on the frame of mind that says 'I can feed whatever I want to my kids, nobody can tell me what to do etc'.... this line of thinking...

I choose what is right and what is wrong for my child and my children, pc brigade says don't give a child

Is it pc to say kids should eat balanced diets?

Pwindedd · 24-04-2012 08:28PM

Abi wrote: »

Well now, wasn't that the proper little hissy fit, I wonder why. This thread is akin to pouring water over some earth then watching the worms rise to the surface. All of the above is nothing but a blown out of proportion rant to disguise weakness and selfishness.

Your defense is laughable really. You threw in the 'as soon as a woman becomes pregnant she is judged' bit, if men could bear children they'd get the same heat. you are a host to another human being.

Moving onto the motorist thing, more blown out of proportion bull.. Driving past a pregnant woman :rolleyes: ffs, smoking a cigarette is a direct hit to your child each time you smoke. They are not comparable.

Most parents would never proclaim to be perfect, but they owe it to the child that never asked to be born the best start in life, and that includes its health.

Those who shout the loudest often are being defensive because they're in the wrong..

It's AH - I'm aloud to have a little hissy fit if I like as long as I observe the rules of the forum.

Sorry I should have said pregnant "people" are judged... just to avoid any ambiguity about my comment. Where an earth did you get the idea i thought it was a sexist thing. Fact is MEN DON'T HAVE BABIES so it's a moot point.

And how would you know if I'm in the wrong or the right. Yes I have a child - but I've never smoked so don't get all high and mighty with me - I agree with you it's not the best start in life - I wouldn't do it myself - but it seems we're constantly looking for ways to criminalise a small percentage of parents who make decisions we ourselves would not make. Most pregnant women don't smoke. But hey let's all feel a bit better about ourselves by being self-righteous and judgemental about these demon-mothers that do.

Fact is OP was just looking to start a fight - if she was serious she'd have put this thread in the parenting or health forum - I was just throwing my two-pence worth in and didn't attack any particular poster - just generalisations. You my friend on the other hand seem to know my inner workings and how selfish and weak I am.

Must be those 15 abortions I had and the fact I'm still breast-feeding my 16 year old.

iguana · 24-04-2012 08:31PM

prinz wrote: »

Because I wasn't referring to Grindelwald's own personal situation but rather commenting on the frame of mind that says 'I can feed whatever I want to my kids, nobody can tell me what to do etc'.

Nothing in her post suggested that she is of that frame of mind or that she was defending it. She has a daughter with an illness that effects what she can eat and she seems very clued up on it so I'd guess she probably knows more about childhood diet than most parents.

prinz · 24-04-2012 08:35PM

iguana wrote: »

Nothing in her post suggested that she is of that frame of mind or that she was defending it. She has a daughter with an illness that effects what she can eat and she seems very clued up on it so I'd guess she probably knows more about childhood diet than most parents.

Perhaps that's how you interpreted it. I didn't

grindelwald wrote:

I choose, not the government and not the pc brigade

Again I'd say the same line of reasoning is used by the parents who bring their already obese kids to burgerking etc. Parents don't always know best. Sometimes the government and the pc brigade get it right.

hondasam · 24-04-2012 08:49PM

iguana wrote: »

Sorry but where the hell ar you getting that from? Over 75% of the people in this country do not smoke at all. Do you somehow think that the 23.6% who do are all women of child-bearing age? Most pregnant women do not smoke at all so certainly don't have a sly one for no reason during their pregnancy.

http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=smoking%20statistics%20pregnant%20women%20ireland%202011&source=web&cd=3&sqi=2&ved=0CEwQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.imn.ie%2Fclinical%2F17-clinical-news%2F3539-many-irish-pregnant-women-still-drinking-and-smoking&ei=1AGXT7OHA8K2hAe3iMWCDg&usg=AFQjCNGd_7rrhl_EwmiKbYsLS-i-6v1LRA

Lots and lots of men do just this and lots more while trying to conceive in order to do the best for any child they conceive as it's now well known that alcohol consumption, drug (including prescribed) use, smoking and diet all effect the dna of their sperm and can contribute to the ill health and even iq of their child.

I have yet to meet one.

ntlbell · 24-04-2012 08:50PM

iguana wrote: »

And just as seriously, not only can the impact of smoking in pregnancy be later in life problems for the child but also in the children of the child. Smoking in pregnancy can damage your grandchildren as the DNA alteration can pass to the next generation.

surley this can happen just walking around the city inhaling all the crap in the air?

iguana · 24-04-2012 08:53PM

hondasam wrote: »

http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=smoking%20statistics%20pregnant%20women%20ireland%202011&source=web&cd=3&sqi=2&ved=0CEwQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.imn.ie%2Fclinical%2F17-clinical-news%2F3539-many-irish-pregnant-women-still-drinking-and-smoking&ei=1AGXT7OHA8K2hAe3iMWCDg&usg=AFQjCNGd_7rrhl_EwmiKbYsLS-i-6v1LRA

Did you read that? It's about people who continue to smoke. The majority of pregnant women, like the rest of the population, never smoked in the first place.

hondasam wrote: »

I have yet to meet one.

And I have never met an astronaut but that doesn't mean they don't exist.:rolleyes:

Or perhaps you have met them but they didn't discuss their sex lives with you. Most people don't talk about what they do when they are trying to conceive.

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