Is sex with a Prostitute Rape?

mariano rivera · 24-04-2012 05:43PM #1

Just Reading, this book On the Game Prostitution in Ireland by Stephen Rogers

According to this book, a lot of Eastern European and African women are trafficked here and forced to work as sex slaves

Question: If a customer has sex with one of these girls is he guilty of rape?

token101 · 24-04-2012 05:45PM

You thread title and opening post are two totally different things!!!

golden lane · 24-04-2012 05:46PM

mariano rivera wrote: »

Just Reading, this book On the Game Prostitution in Ireland by Stephen Rogers

According to this book, a lot of Eastern European and African women are trafficked here and forced to work as sex slaves

Question: If a customer has sex with one of these girls is he guilty of rape?

yes, but, unknowingly...i would say.....

Mickey Dazzler · 24-04-2012 05:47PM

No, just desperation.

micropig · 24-04-2012 05:47PM

mariano rivera wrote: »

Just Reading, this book On the Game Prostitution in Ireland by Stephen Rogers

According to this book, a lot of Eastern European and African women are trafficked here and forced to work as sex slaves

Question: If a customer has sex with one of these girls is he guilty of rape?

Depends
Is the girl a prostitute willingly?
Is she trafficked?

Rape is sex against a persons will, not what they do for a living

tfitzgerald · 24-04-2012 05:48PM

Sex with a prostitute is rape if you don't pay

DEFTLEFTHAND · 24-04-2012 05:48PM

Interesting one. If she consents to sexual intercourse then no rape occurs, but as you stated if the girl has been brought here illegally and is under duress from a third party to perform intercourse it could be a bit of a grey area really.

eth0 · 24-04-2012 05:50PM

<obligatory unfunny joke about rape to get me banned goes here>

Chuck Stone · 24-04-2012 05:51PM

You could just as easily say that our laws facilitate rape, abuse and trafficking of prostitutes.

The more that prostitution is criminalised and driven underground the more it becomes a revenue stream for criminals and thugs.

Legalise.

Regulate.

Offer services to prostitutes.

DarkJager · 24-04-2012 05:51PM

No. That's like saying buying a pair of runners which were created in a sweatshop makes you guilty of supporting the practice. You're paying for something, it's not your responsibility to know where it came from.

strobe · 24-04-2012 06:05PM

DarkJager wrote: »

No. That's like saying buying a pair of runners which were created in a sweatshop makes you guilty of supporting the practice. You're paying for something, it's not your responsibility to know where it came from.

More than that even, it'd be like saying 'buying a pair of runners which may or may not have been created in a sweatshop from someone that gives every impression that they created them willingly for you to purchase makes you guilty of violation of employment law'...

So nah, doesn't make much sense.

I guess you could make the argument that if there is any possibility that someone has been exploited in the production of the runners, despite how things may outwardly appear, then you should ere on the side of caution and not purchase them... but that's a little different than the 'guilty of rape' thing.

Eric Cartman · 24-04-2012 06:23PM

the only thing thats a rape is the price :pac:

Rocket19 · 24-04-2012 06:28PM

I wouldn't label it "rape". It's a difficult issue.
I would say though, that it could be very morally objectionable, especially if the context of the situation would suggest the girl has been trafficked, has been subject to coercion, etc.
However, there is also a lot of grey area to consider here, because I'd say few women are actually in the prostitution business for "kicks". Sure, having a pimp controlling her is obvious duress, but what about a woman who can't feed her kids and sees no other way to earn money? What about a girl who has serious self-esteem issues, who doesn't even see how selling herself may hurt her? No-one is holding a gun to her head in either case, but I'm not sure that makes it right.

I suppose it's up the guy (if he must pay for sex, and let's face it, this is always gonna happen) to gouge the situation, and the most he can really do is give her respect.

Effects · 24-04-2012 06:30PM

DarkJager wrote: »

No. That's like saying buying a pair of runners which were created in a sweatshop makes you guilty of supporting the practice. You're paying for something, it's not your responsibility to know where it came from.

It does show that you support sweat shops. Just because you might not think about it or choose to blank it out doesn't mean you aren't supporting it. Of course it's your responsibility to know where the goods you buy come from. You might not care where they come from but should think about it.

24-04-2012 06:33PM

I don't think its a grey area if she was trafficed then she has no free will she is a slave . She has no consent to give unless she wants a beating . So In essence it is rape IMO

IM0 · 24-04-2012 06:35PM

depends. can he mind read?

Casillas · 24-04-2012 06:36PM

Either way it's illegal;

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/1206/limerick.html

juan.kerr · 24-04-2012 06:38PM

tfitzgerald wrote: »

Sex with a prostitute is rape if you don't pay

even if it's her night off work and she consents?

44leto · 24-04-2012 06:39PM

Nearly all prostitution in Ireland is consensual. It is done out of the prostitutes freewill.

Some are forced into it to support an addiction but that is another problem.

It is not rape as they actively tout for the business.

If the prostitute is trafficked, by my definition it is rape, but not by the client, by the people who have forced the prostitute to have sex with the client.

The client would not know if a pro is trafficked or not.

juan.kerr · 24-04-2012 06:45PM

44leto wrote: »

The client would not know if a pro is trafficked or not.

And if he does know he has a duty to report her to Immigration control so she can be sent home.

micropig · 24-04-2012 06:46PM

eth0 wrote: »

<obligatory unfunny joke about rape to get me banned goes here>

Made by a Garda:pac::pac:

Battered Mars Bar · 24-04-2012 06:47PM

Sadly alot of these career women may need to find another profession in the not so distant future as robot prostitutes will be the way to go.

admiralofthefleet · 24-04-2012 06:47PM

tfitzgerald wrote: »

Sex with a prostitute is rape if you don't pay

or is it shoplifting?

IvySlayer · 24-04-2012 06:54PM

Casillas wrote: »

Either way it's illegal;

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/1206/limerick.html

No women charged?

What grinds my ****ing gears is women who go out and sell their bodies and then come back and say they're the victims.

Legalise it.

juan.kerr · 24-04-2012 06:55PM

IvySlayer wrote: »

No women charged?

What grinds my ****ing gears is women who go out and sell their bodies and then come back and say they're the victims.

Legalise it.

Yeah so we can tax their earnings and charge VAT.

Guy:Incognito · 24-04-2012 06:56PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Interesting one. If she consents to sexual intercourse then no rape occurs, but as you stated if the girl has been brought here illegally and is under duress from a third party to perform intercourse it could be a bit of a grey area really.

Even if shes being a prostitute against her will, how do you know unless you discuss the ins and outs of why she is a prostitute. So either way it cant be rape surely (possibly unless you do actually waste a few mins of the expensive time your paying for having a chat

)

micropig · 24-04-2012 06:56PM

juan.kerr wrote: »

Yeah so we can tax their earnings and charge VAT.

Would they be entitled to free parking too?

IvySlayer · 24-04-2012 06:57PM

juan.kerr wrote: »

Yeah so we can tax their earnings and charge VAT.

Works in Nevada.

Sauve · 24-04-2012 06:58PM

IvySlayer wrote: »

What grinds my ****ing gears is women who go out and sell their bodies and then come back and say they're the victims.

Who does this? ^^

If it's a young girl that's been trafficked and forced into prostitution, then yes, she is a victim, plain and simple.

Prostitution, as it is intended, is not rape. It is consensual, a business transaction. Trafficking is a whole 'nother issue imo.

Robdude · 24-04-2012 06:58PM

If sex with a prostitute is rape; my boss is guilty of kidnapping me M-F from 8:00am - 6:00pm.

So long as both parties consent to the sexual act; it's not rape. If it takes money to get someone to consent, so be it. That's entirely legal in Ireland.

juan.kerr · 24-04-2012 07:01PM

micropig wrote: »

Would they be entitled to free parking too?

The prossies or the clients? She could probably 'validate parking' for the duration of session.

Is sex with a Prostitute Rape?

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