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Rangers FC lodge papers to go into administration

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,748 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    The SPL will move the goalposts to ensure no one else does anything remotely similar to what they agree with Rangers?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,704 ✭✭✭Broxi_Bear_Eire


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Right I will pay it. I need to get it sorted out next week with my card as it isn't debit. I got the website favoured. So I will do it.

    I want proof you paid it.

    PauloMN wrote: »
    :D

    Well the only reasonable suggestion would be that he pays online, and forwards the receipt by PM to Bobby. He made the bet with Bobby, I think he should show Bobby the receipt. Or give Bobby €50 cash and let him make the donation.

    100% agree. However, I don't expect him to hand € over to me or forward me on anything with name etc on it. Therefore it would be great if BBE (or one of his sons) was an intermediate that Keith could forward proof of payment to? If they say it's been paid then I'm happy.

    I am willing to act as an intermeadiatry and I am pretty sure the boys would be willing to all that would be passed on are the payment details no name to be mentioned


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,229 ✭✭✭bobbysands81


    I am willing to act as an intermeadiatry and I am pretty sure the boys would be willing to all that would be passed on are the payment details no name to be mentioned

    If you say he's paid then that's good enough for me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,230 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Talk about a development:
    Brian Kennedy and the Blue Knights are working together to scupper controversial American Bill Miller's bid for Rangers - and have been given until Monday to come up with a rescue package.
    Increasingly desperate administrators Duff & Phelps last night warned that, without an alternative on the table, they will have no choice but to name Miller as preferred bidder on Monday.

    His convoluted plans to duck £100million-plus of debt would put Rangers on a direct collision course with Scotland's football authorities as they grapple with new rules on financial fair play.
    But Duff & Phelps representative Paul Clark confirmed that the club faces running out of money in a matter of weeks, making an imminent sale vital if liquidation is to be avoided.
    Insisting they will proceed with Miller 'if no further and better bid comes along', Clark - who admitted that completing a deal by the end of the season now seems unlikely - also said that talks with former Rangers director Paul Murray's Blue Knights consortium would continue over the weekend.
    And the chances of the home-grown bid trumping the transatlantic takeover appeared to have strengthened with the late conversion of rugby magnate Kennedy.
    He told Sportsmail: 'I have been speaking extensively with Paul (Murray) to try to find a solution.'
    Asked how that might work, the Sale Sharks owner - who has always insisted he wouldn't work in a consortium - added: 'We are working at that.'
    Sportsmail understands that Kennedy has been in talks with Ticketus and the London-based firm's involvement would be an important lever in persuading disgraced former owner Craig Whyte to part with his shareholding.
    Clark warned: 'Without season-ticket sales, the money would run out towards the end of May or early June. From that point of view, we really do need to proceed with one of these bids.

    'Bill Miller had said: "Put up or shut up" and we really are in the position that, if no further and better bid comes along, we will proceed with him next week.
    'He has made it clear that he wishes to proceed on Monday. If that was the only acceptable bid, then we would prepared to proceed with him.
    'We will be able to make a decision and proceed, one way or another, on Monday.
    'And I can tell you that earlier today we had continued dialogue with Paul Murray and advisors of the Blue Knights consortium, and the suggestion is that these discussions will continue over the weekend.
    'Having placed themselves in a good position, the Blue Knights consortium's withdrawal of their financial commitment to pay an exclusivity fee last week was a real setback for us.
    'We have been in contact with the consortium earlier today to confirm they are considering their position as to whether they will be able to make an unconditional bid for the club - including an acceptable exclusivity arrangement. We have not received their unconditional bid.
    'We are quite happy to continue discussions with Paul Murray and his colleagues over the weekend.
    'I have spoken to Mr Murray on two or three occasions today and have no problem with further discussions.
    'If he is still interested to talk, we are interested to talk, but it now comes down to Monday. It has gone on long enough and we have to really bring it to a head once and for all.
    'I think it would be foolish for me to give a precise time on Monday. I would hope that during the day we will have in place an exclusivity arrangement with one of the parties, which is what we have sought for the last few weeks. But we have had no bid, so we have not been able to proceed.'
    Administrators admit that Miller's £11.2m plan to effectively split Rangers in two, keeping the good and shifting debt on to a separate company, is effectively a 'newco' by another name.
    The American claims to have been involved in 'a series of talks' with both the SPL and SFA, although the latter deny having any discussions with him.
    Sportsmail understands the SPL board would study any final Miller proposal in detail.
    But insiders warn that, if they judge his plan to be a dodge designed to avoid exiting administration through a Company Voluntary Arrangement, Rangers would be subject to any penalties due to be debated by the league on April 30. That would lead Miller to walk away, according to the Tennessee Tow Truck King's own statement, although Clark - who said that the chances of reaching a CVA remain 'in the balance' - insisted: 'Let's make no mistake, this would be an asset purchase- if the Miller bid was proceeded with.'


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2132974/Brian-Kennedy-Blue-Knights-hijack-Bill-Millers-takeover-Rangers.html#ixzz1sfiQnsST


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,229 ✭✭✭bobbysands81


    Jelle - you think you guys can avoid liquidation?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,230 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    Not a clue at the moment, I'm sure people are working to save the club but it's all dragging out too long I fear.

    Also, I think you asked that once before :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,704 ✭✭✭Broxi_Bear_Eire


    There's not a hope that Miller will be successful in either the CVA or getting the SPL to agree to his proposal.

    The SPL won't agree because if you put lipstick on a pig it's still a pig. What's stopping Hearts running up bills of £50m, refusing to pay them and then transferring the playing side of Hearts to a newco whilst the bad debt side of the company negotiate with te creditors until a conclusion is reached. This is financial suicide for Scottish soccer. Not a hope this will succeed.

    If you lose tax case then Miller is basically offering 10p in the pound by way of CVA. Given tat D&P value Murray Park and Ibrox at £109m then liquidation will get creditors approx 75p in the pound.

    As I said earlier, if you lose Tax Case then unless someone steps in with about £50m then I think liquidation is unavoidable.

    They may be valued at that Bobby but as Murray park is a leasehold property and one of the terms of the lease is it has to be used for something similar so who in Scotland is going to pay the big bucks for it also as frontage of Ibrox is listed and can't be knocked down or changed plus getting planning permission for building anything in that area and all round that area is a tip. If you then take in nobody is buying land due to the recession you can put any valuation you like on it. if you can do nothing with it its worth nothing


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,521 ✭✭✭bobmalooka


    They may be valued at that Bobby but as Murray park is a leasehold property and one of the terms of the lease is it has to be used for something similar so who in Scotland is going to pay the big bucks for it also as frontage of Ibrox is listed and can't be knocked down or changed plus getting planning permission for building anything in that area and all round that area is a tip. If you then take in nobody is buying land due to the recession you can put any valuation you like on it. if you can do nothing with it its worth nothing

    Fair points but it begs the question, Why are Duff and Phelps (the guys supposedly given the task of avoiding liquidation) putting a value on these assets which makes liquidation the only credible option for the creditors to seek?

    It all stinks, D&P and Whyte are gonna be rolling in the cash by the time they are finished with ye.

    They have strung Rangers fans along for a long time now and ye dont seem to be questioning why they are taking actions that will liquidate the club while telling ye they are doing the opposite.


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 10,887 Mod ✭✭✭✭PauloMN


    BK and the BKs lol, could be a band!

    Probably the best option for you, but not ideal. Consortiums are bad enough, but another party now in with the consortium.... too many cooks and all that.

    Better than letting Miller at it though imo. He sounds like a nutter.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 278 ✭✭shankespony


    Yes looks like duff & dumber are stringing it out in the hope to maximise their fees on this one and agent whyte wants paid for his successful mission! he bought an institution for £1 used someone else to put up the cash will his profit be the greatest ever profit/return on investment ever when all is said and done. For what its worth i do feel some empathy for the ordinary decent rangers fan and it reminds me of how i felt when celtic were due to be liquidated. What would rangers give for a st fergus now?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,704 ✭✭✭Broxi_Bear_Eire


    bobmalooka wrote: »
    Fair points but it begs the question, Why are Duff and Phelps (the guys supposedly given the task of avoiding liquidation) putting a value on these assets which makes liquidation the only credible option for the creditors to seek?

    It all stinks, D&P and Whyte are gonna be rolling in the cash by the time they are finished with ye.

    They have strung Rangers fans along for a long time now and ye dont seem to be questioning why they are taking actions that will liquidate the club while telling ye they are doing the opposite.

    They have to put what is seen as a market value on them it doesn't mean they would sell for anywhere near that or or even sell. As for Rangers fans not questioning them just because I or others don't post on here what we feel doesn't mean we aren't questioning them I can assure you I and many other bears are continually emailing them to show our disgust and the time they are taking


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,529 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    They have to put what is seen as a market value on them it doesn't mean they would sell for anywhere near that or or even sell. As for Rangers fans not questioning them just because I or others don't post on here what we feel doesn't mean we aren't questioning them I can assure you I and many other bears are continually emailing them to show our disgust and the time they are taking

    Careful now, the next excuse will be that they are responding to every email they get! :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,704 ✭✭✭Broxi_Bear_Eire


    Dempsey wrote: »
    Careful now, the next excuse will be that they are responding to every email they get! :pac:

    And if you think we are not emailing them then I reckon it proves you have no idea about whats going on ;)

    You tell us what we are supposed to do this jams there systems up as was proved with Collier & Bristow


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,229 ✭✭✭bobbysands81


    They may be valued at that Bobby but as Murray park is a leasehold property and one of the terms of the lease is it has to be used for something similar so who in Scotland is going to pay the big bucks for it also as frontage of Ibrox is listed and can't be knocked down or changed plus getting planning permission for building anything in that area and all round that area is a tip. If you then take in nobody is buying land due to the recession you can put any valuation you like on it. if you can do nothing with it its worth nothing

    D&P value all RFC assets at about £135m. Your potential liabilities are approx £145m (worst case scenario).

    Therefore, according to D&P, liquidation could earn creditors approx 90p in the £.

    Miller is offering around 10p in the £ (worst case scenario).

    Unless HMRC do a deal it's very difficult to see how RFC will avoid liquidation.

    Ibrox will be a very valuable commodity to whomever continues the legacy of RFC as it will enable any Phoenix club to claim legitimacy. Ibrox will continue as a soccer stadium because of this. Ibrox is worth a lot of money because of this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭lubo_moravcik


    What's this I'm hearing about Rangers fans doing a human chain around Ibrokes? Are you all going to take part??


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭ColeTrain


    What's this I'm hearing about Rangers fans doing a human chain around Ibrokes? Are you all going to take part??

    The chain is broke.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,521 ✭✭✭bobmalooka


    They have to put what is seen as a market value on them it doesn't mean they would sell for anywhere near that or or even sell. As for Rangers fans not questioning them just because I or others don't post on here what we feel doesn't mean we aren't questioning them I can assure you I and many other bears are continually emailing them to show our disgust and the time they are taking

    Forget about apartment blocks, once Rangers are liquidated there will be a huge scramble to get control of Ibrokes because Rangers fans will go and support whatever team are playing there.

    This new club will be debt free, own all its revenue streams and have instant access to a huge customer base (you and the rest of rangers fans).

    This new club will be highly saught after because it will make money and this is why ibrox is so valuable.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭lubo_moravcik


    bobmalooka wrote: »
    They have to put what is seen as a market value on them it doesn't mean they would sell for anywhere near that or or even sell. As for Rangers fans not questioning them just because I or others don't post on here what we feel doesn't mean we aren't questioning them I can assure you I and many other bears are continually emailing them to show our disgust and the time they are taking

    Forget about apartment blocks, once Rangers are liquidated there will be a huge scramble to get control of Ibrokes because Rangers fans will go and support whatever team are playing there.

    This new club will be debt free, own all its revenue streams and have instant access to a huge customer base (you and the rest of rangers fans).

    This new club will be highly saught after because it will make money and this is why ibrox is so valuable.
    Apart from the ones who won't support a newco


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,229 ✭✭✭bobbysands81


    bobmalooka wrote: »
    Forget about apartment blocks, once Rangers are liquidated there will be a huge scramble to get control of Ibrokes because Rangers fans will go and support whatever team are playing there.

    This new club will be debt free, own all its revenue streams and have instant access to a huge customer base (you and the rest of rangers fans).

    This new club will be highly saught after because it will make money and this is why ibrox is so valuable.

    Hmmmmmm,

    That all sounds quite familiar!!!

    5 posts previous on this thread...
    D&P value all RFC assets at about £135m. Your potential liabilities are approx £145m (worst case scenario).

    Therefore, according to D&P, liquidation could earn creditors approx 90p in the £.

    Miller is offering around 10p in the £ (worst case scenario).

    Unless HMRC do a deal it's very difficult to see how RFC will avoid liquidation.

    Ibrox will be a very valuable commodity to whomever continues the legacy of RFC as it will enable any Phoenix club to claim legitimacy. Ibrox will continue as a soccer stadium because of this. Ibrox is worth a lot of money because of this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,229 ✭✭✭bobbysands81


    Anyone know why a 'sale and leaseback' of Ibrox has not been touted by any of the prospective buyers?

    I can understand why D&P aren't throwing it out there but any prospective buyer could easily argue it would stave off liquidation.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,229 ✭✭✭bobbysands81


    I also note that another D&P deadline is set to fall by the wayside according to Scottish media this morning. These fellas are coining it in but looks like they used Miller to smoke out any other would be interests.

    Still no Big Tax Case result... the delay in announcing it is unreal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,230 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    What happened now has nothing to do with D&P, they were asked by TBK to delay the deadline, and complied.

    This has everything to do with TBK talking to Ticketus, which seems to drag on and on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,229 ✭✭✭bobbysands81


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    What happened now has nothing to do with D&P, they were asked by TBK to delay the deadline, and complied.

    This has everything to do with TBK talking to Ticketus, which seems to drag on and on.

    D&P set deadline. D&P then extend deadline. It has everything to do with D&P!!! They're the ones calling the shots.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,529 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    The fun will really start when one of these clowns actually take control of the club.

    Its amusing that D&P wrote off the only concrete bid as too low.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,230 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    D&P set deadline. D&P then extend deadline. It has everything to do with D&P!!! They're the ones calling the shots.

    So if Miller himself (the only one with a bid in at that point) asks for a delay, they should just tell him to **** off ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,529 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    So if Miller himself (the only one with a bid in at that point) asks for a delay, they should just tell him to **** off ?

    D&P should have used Kennedy's bid to leverage everyone else to get their act together and meet their deadline.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,229 ✭✭✭bobbysands81


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    So if Miller himself (the only one with a bid in at that point) asks for a delay, they should just tell him to **** off ?

    Miller never asked for a delay (Even if he had the only people able to grant it or otherwise are Duff and Phelps. Duff and Phelps are, yet gain, the ONLY ones responsible for the delay.).

    http://www.rangersfc.co.uk/news/football-news/article/2746064

    Mon, Apr 23, 2012

    AMERICAN businessman Bill Miller has agreed to wait for administrators Duff and Phelps to select preferred bidder status on the sale of Rangers.

    Mr Miller had previously stated that he hoped to begin the process of acquiring Rangers today if there were no other bidders but he will now wait while continuing to process his offers.

    Duff and Phelps said: "Following discussions with Mr Bill Miller today, he has informed us he wants to progress and discussions will continue between us prior to a preferred bidder being announced Mr Miller has asked us to issue a statement from him to Rangers fans."


    Bill Miller commented: "After speaking with the administrators today, I understand that no other bidders have stepped up to offer to save Rangers.As I stated on Friday, if there were no other bids by close of business Monday, I would begin the process to acquire Rangers according to the plan I outlined on Friday.

    "To clarify earlier statements in the press, I did not ask for more time to move forward.


    "However, at the request of the administrators, I will wait to enter into exclusivity in order to give The Blue Knights/Ticketus more time to put an alternative offer on the table for the administrators to evaluate.

    "I will leave it to Duff & Phelps to determine when they want to identify their preferred bidder.

    "Until then, I am moving forward with my process and continuing my discussions with all related parties.I can confirm that I did have confidential conversations with the SFA and PFA Scotland representatives.Finally, I will be having discussions with Ally McCoist later to discuss his recommendations regarding the players."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,229 ✭✭✭bobbysands81


    Craig Whyte is said to be looking for a cool £30m for his shares!

    Atta boy Shooter! Hold firm!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    Rangers banned from signing players for 12 months.

    Craig Whyte gets a lifetime ban.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,529 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    Paully D wrote: »
    Rangers banned from signing players for 12 months.

    Craig Whyte gets a lifetime ban.

    That will have the investors kicking down the door! :pac:


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