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Should the church be made to pay property tax, septic tank tax and water charges?

  • 22-04-2012 11:20PM
    #1
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭


    Something useful exposed in the Daily Fail for a change :)

    Good man Enda,.......... Go for it :p



    It may have the country’s largest private property portfolio but despite owning thousands of houses, the Catholic Church does not have to pay a cent in household charges. The Church, which at one point owned or occupied at least 10,700 houses, schools, halls, churches and shops around the country, has an exemption from all property taxes because it is a charity.

    With 1,368 parishes in Ireland – many containing several parochial homes and other properties – the Church may be getting off the hook for up to €500,000 a year in Environment Minister Phil Hogan’s new tax, despite its massive wealth and land interests.

    The charge may be just €100 a year at current rates but the Government is expected to introduce much higher fees, which could rise to €1,000 for certain properties

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2133331/Irish-bishops-palaces-exempt-homes-charge.html?ito=feeds-newsxml


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  • #2
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Yes, next question.


  • #3
    true
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭true


    If the government got the Catholic Church to pay all its own abuse compensation itself , instead of the taxpayer bailing it out, then none of us would be bothered with the relatively minor household 100 euro tax.


  • #4
    Born to Die
    Closed Accounts Posts: 830 ✭✭✭Born to Die


    OP, do you ever get a headache from what appears your constant search for things that annoy you?


  • #5
    paky
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,138 ✭✭✭paky


    it would be better if all church property was seized and all members of the clergy jailed or deported


  • #6
    Notorious97
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,479 ✭✭✭Notorious97


    Oh look a church thread in after hours....fancy that



    To answer though, yes if everyone has to pay that stupid tax they should too


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  • #7
    Born to Die
    Closed Accounts Posts: 830 ✭✭✭Born to Die


    paky wrote: »
    it would be better if all church property was seized and all members of the clergy jailed or deported

    Why?

    And deport the Irish one's to where exactly?


  • #8
    codrulz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 327 ✭✭codrulz


    yes, why shouldn't they? everyone else has to so why not the churches? ;)


  • #9
    Battered Mars Bar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 672 ✭✭✭Battered Mars Bar


    and what exactly happens if the church refuses to pay & pay fines. Does phil take the pope to court? :confused:


  • #10
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Battered Mars Bar wrote: »
    and what exactly happens if the church refuses to pay & pay fines. Does phil take the pope to court? :confused:
    Since he's the managing director of the business I would guess a European arrest warrant


  • #11
    not yet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,008 ✭✭✭not yet


    Jesus no.............Holy god and baby jesus would cry their eyes out.


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  • #12
    vicwatson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,417 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    Born to Die wrote: »
    Why?

    And deport the Irish one's to where exactly?

    Spike Island


  • #13
    Battered Mars Bar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 672 ✭✭✭Battered Mars Bar


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Since he's the managing director of the business I would guess a European arrest warrant

    and the pope says no :)


  • #14
    ColeTrain
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭ColeTrain


    TBF with the Septic tank tax they'd have to pay millions with the amount of shi*e spewed at Sunday mass.


  • #15
    oppenheimer1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,733 ✭✭✭oppenheimer1


    You cannot single out the church, it would have to be all charities, sporting organisations etc.

    Oh wait, this is another church bashing thread... please carry on.:rolleyes:


  • #16
    Born to Die
    Closed Accounts Posts: 830 ✭✭✭Born to Die


    vicwatson wrote: »
    Spike Island

    As a part of Ireland it strictly wouldn't be a deportation.

    I assume you were referring to the jailing part of the poster's comment but as he wanted allmembers jailed or deported isn't it a bit heavy handed and extreme.

    Not to mention wrong.


  • #17
    paky
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,138 ✭✭✭paky


    Born to Die wrote: »
    Why?

    And deport the Irish one's to where exactly?

    where do you think, Rome?

    we should pass legislation making it illegal to be a member of the clergy considering all the crimes and coverups that were committed in its name, and then get the criminal assets bureau to seize all property and money the church holds in ireland


  • #18
    Bipolar Joe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,443 ✭✭✭Bipolar Joe


    Here's a question, apart from the extra amazing stuff they get, why would the church qualify as a charity? I thought that sh!t was a religion. Do I go to Hell for not giving money to Barnardos?


  • #19
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    WTF?

    We really need need to secularise this fucking country and stop treating the religious institutions with kid gloves.


  • #20
    Born to Die
    Closed Accounts Posts: 830 ✭✭✭Born to Die


    paky wrote: »
    where do you think, Rome?

    we should pass legislation making it illegal to be a member of the clergy considering all the crimes and coverups that were committed in its name, and then get the criminal assets bureau to seize all property and money the church holds in ireland

    Send them all to Rome!!!! :)

    Really make it illegal to be a member of the clergy? Seems a bit extreme considering the thread is about property tax and septic tank tax.

    Church bashing thread in full flow.

    Let's see if the church has to pay the taxes before you pass this legislation and then make all other charities illegal.


  • #21
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,784 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    From my reading of Section 4 of the legislation all organisations designated as charities are exempt. There is an extensive list. So the question would be why exempt any or all of these bodies who own property which would normally be liable.

    Is there any reason to single out the Catholic Church and make them liable when they legally hold the same charitable status as the other bodies on the list?

    http://www.revenue.ie/en/business/authorised-charities.html


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  • #22
    Born to Die
    Closed Accounts Posts: 830 ✭✭✭Born to Die


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    From my reading of Section 4 of the legislation all organisations designated as charities are exempt. There is an extensive list. So the question would be why exempt any or all of these bodies who own property which would normally be liable.

    Is there any reason to single out the Catholic Church and make them liable when they legally hold the same charitable status as the other bodies on the list?

    http://www.revenue.ie/en/business/authorised-charities.html

    Because this is AH and the full picture will only become apparent after about 2 pages of vitriol against the Catholic church.


  • #23
    admiralofthefleet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,515 ✭✭✭✭admiralofthefleet


    of course it should, its a business. there is nothing religious about the catholic cult


  • #24
    Jammy Donut
    Closed Accounts Posts: 606 ✭✭✭Jammy Donut


    Yes...

    Let them bend over and take it for a change.


  • #25
    Manach
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 9,904 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manach


    Yawn, another anti-catholic thread which seeks to support the chattering Public sector classes in the style they are accustomed to.


  • #26
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    Manach wrote: »
    Yawn, another anti-catholic thread which seeks to support the chattering Public sector classes in the style they are accustomed to.

    Do you really think that the Catholic Church paying property tax for the services it receives is anti-Catholic?


  • #27
    General General
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,900 ✭✭✭General General


    WIth the **** it's spewed out over the years, yes it should pay septic tank tax.


  • #28
    true
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭true


    General General wrote: »
    WIth the **** it's spewed out over the years, yes it should pay septic tank tax.

    at least septic tanks get the rotten-ness cleaned out of them now and again.

    The RCC just transfers it elsewhere in the system....or denies it existed at all. (what baby? what abuse ?)


  • #29
    StudentDad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭StudentDad


    Yes the church should pay all those fees/taxes. Why should they be exempt?

    SD


  • #30
    daddydick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 407 ✭✭daddydick


    They are exempt because they are a charity.

    I'm sick and tired of all the church bashing threads on this website.


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  • #31
    mackg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,938 ✭✭✭mackg


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Something useful exposed in the Daily Fail for a change :)

    Good man Enda,.......... Go for it :p



    It may have the country’s largest private property portfolio but despite owning thousands of houses, the Catholic Church does not have to pay a cent in household charges. The Church, which at one point owned or occupied at least 10,700 houses, schools, halls, churches and shops around the country, has an exemption from all property taxes because it is a charity.

    With 1,368 parishes in Ireland – many containing several parochial homes and other properties – the Church may be getting off the hook for up to €500,000 a year in Environment Minister Phil Hogan’s new tax, despite its massive wealth and land interests.

    The charge may be just €100 a year at current rates but the Government is expected to introduce much higher fees, which could rise to €1,000 for certain properties

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2133331/Irish-bishops-palaces-exempt-homes-charge.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

    I assume that it's not just the Catholic Church, but all religious orders that are being exempt yeah? The Mail doesn't mention the others, presumably because that might get in the way of everyone getting good and outraged. Anyone know what the story with property owned by other faiths is?


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