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Alien 3 & 4

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  • #62
    Mickeroo
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    krudler wrote: »
    yeah and in Aliens you see where "someone bagged one of Ripley's bad guys" and there's a massive acid burn down through floors and floors of the colony area they're in. Its something they could have used more tbh.

    I thought it was a good idea in ressurection that the xenos in the cells used the blood to escape. Having said that it was bloody stupid that they made the cells out of corrodable material, so I take it back.


  • #63
    Cork boy 55
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    Mickeroo wrote: »
    I thought it was a good idea in ressurection that the xenos in the cells used the blood to escape. Having said that it was bloody stupid that they made the cells out of corrodable material, so I take it back.

    Ya that was bit thick putting them in there. :D

    Alien 4 was crap compared to first 3, it had a few good scenes thou, on its own its passable
    it is worth watching. A D- :cool:

    IMO :pac:

    Alien 85%
    Alien 2 90%
    Alien 3 65%
    Alien 4 45%


  • #64
    Sad Professor
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    Mickeroo wrote: »
    I thought it was a good idea in ressurection that the xenos in the cells used the blood to escape. Having said that it was bloody stupid that they made the cells out of corrodable material, so I take it back.

    I guess that was the point though. They were idiots who didn't know what they were dealing with. In way it's fitting that Resurrection was so cheesy because by the time they got to the fourth film the sheer stupidity of the company was farcical.


  • #65
    Professey Chin
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    Canis Lupus wrote: »
    I don't see it like that, for me it's:

    Solo alien supreme and intelligent predator ala 1 and 2 (not sure if the Alien in 1 was a queen or not but 3 was wasn't it?)

    Aliens was a hive mind directed by the queen. Still supreme imo and the aliens were facing marines with guns. Bit of a difference from 1 with a crew with nothing and likewise a prison in 3.

    Neither were queens


  • #66
    pixelburp
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    The acid-for-blood seemed like one of those ideas that was neat gimmick & source of tension in the first film, but to be fair would have been a continuity nightmare were it so rigidly obeyed in subsequent movies.

    The only thing that ever annoyed me about the Alien universe was that despite knowing of the Xenomorphs, nobody ever worse masks around their mouths. Would have saved a lot of bother :D


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  • #67
    Cork boy 55
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    How Aliens Should Have Ended





  • #68
    GAAman
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    Canis Lupus wrote: »
    Aliens was a hive mind directed by the queen. Still supreme imo and the aliens were facing marines with guns. Bit of a difference from 1 with a crew with nothing and likewise a prison in 3.

    Agreed, someone here said it was silly the aliens running into gunfire. Thinking about it the difference between Alien and Aliens is in the first instance it is one xenomorph fighting for survival, in Aliens it is a colony protecting its nest in essence. If you attacked a bee hive you are not going to have single bees trying to find your weak point, they swarm! That plus they stopped after a few minutes, which is intelligent enough when you think about it
    Mickeroo wrote: »
    I thought it was a good idea in ressurection that the xenos in the cells used the blood to escape. Having said that it was bloody stupid that they made the cells out of corrodable material, so I take it back.

    I read that and agreed with you, but then I thought about it. I might be wrong but in Resurrection there was no mention of Weyland Yutani. Now given that in the other films WY wanted the xenomorph as a weapon wouldn't it make sense that they kept every detail VERY quiet? It is possible they (The guys on this ship) did not know much if at all of what they were dealing with. Plus it stands to reason the ship would have been built way before they even knew they could or attempted to clone Ripley.

    Yeah I look way into things :pac:
    pixelburp wrote: »
    The only thing that ever annoyed me about the Alien universe was that despite knowing of the Xenomorphs, nobody ever worse masks around their mouths. Would have saved a lot of bother :D

    You forgetting this little point?

    alien-facehugger-on-kane1.jpg

    :D


  • #69
    al28283
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    Really great trailer, almost definately better than the game will be


  • #70
    Handsome Bob
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    Sad Professor wrote: »

    As for Resurrection, I like Whedon too, but he has to take some responsibility for the film. The last time I checked he was blaming everyone but himself:


    Source

    It's funny that he's dumping on the cast. Weaver, Ryder, Wincott and Perlman are above average performers.


  • #71
    psicic
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    I would watch Alien 3 and 4, but neither are great movies.

    I don't suppose my views are very controversial on this, but Alien is certainly the best of the four current movies. Everything about it works for me - from plot points to character designs.

    Aliens is a really great follow up - it builds a universe around various elements from the first. It changes the whole tone of the franchise, without destroying it. The company is shown to be virtually omnipresent, (in the first, there was always a chance the company was given an over-importance because it was a company-ship) and we're given a new perspective on the Xeno hive. The difference in the Xeno in Alien and Aliens are small enough, in my opinion, to be explanable by the Xeno adapting to the fact it was alone and not part of a hive, e.g. the reproduction differences.

    Alien 3 could have been great if they went with any one of the various scripts written for it. Gibson's original cold-war script would have taken the franchise in a completely different direction. The original prision planet with lots of different alien types and the illegal experiments would have been fantastic. Even the pure sci-fi of the monk-planet/satellite made out of wood would have been really interesting. Instead, we got a mish-mash of everything, and a very bland film trying to recapture the feeling of Alien. I suppose I haven't seen the post-2003 recut, so it might be a much better movie now, but the version I remember from the 90s was very dull with little tension.

    Alien 4 I have mixed feelings about. I like an awful lot of the ideas and finally seeing a proper non-company, military setting. There's a fair chunk of humour in it - for instance, the door sensors are a great idea, the Ripley-clones and calling the ships computer "Father" is a nice toch. The script misses a few beats, and I can't believe how unbelievably dull the action sequences are and how lackluster the directing seems to be. A lot of the characters seem to be just reciting lines; Ryder is just awful - robotic, but not in a character-appropriate sense. With better direction, I think it could have been great.


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  • #72
    artvanderlay
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    In Alien, who laid all those eggs in the crashed ship? Was the space jockey transporting the eggs and crashed, or was he transporting a queen with the eggs and she legged it when he crashed, or did he crash and the aliens were on that planet and attacked him? Also, with so many eggs would the queen not stay close, like in aliens, where she is very protective when Ripley threatens to burn them? And why do I care so much?:mad:

    So many questions...how long does an alien egg survive if it doesn't find a host to attach itself too? Does the face-hugger jump out anyways and just run around looking for a host, like when Burke (that ****!) let a couple loose after Newt and Ripley (although I think he got those from the bell-jars) ?

    To be honest I'd be a lot more excited about a new alien movie if they had a new story where new characters were encountering the aliens for the first time again. I don't think the planet in alien was the alien's home planet, so it might be fun to have a ship with a crew crashing on the alien's home planet and expanding their backstory from there, maybe the crew forming an alliance with other aliens against it. Also I really don't like the idea that the alien was engineered for warfare...much better if it's a natural freak.


  • #73
    Mickeroo
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    artvanderlay wrote: »
    In Alien, who laid all those eggs in the crashed ship? Was the space jockey transporting the eggs and crashed, or was he transporting a queen with the eggs and she legged it when he crashed, or did he crash and the aliens were on that planet and attacked him? Also, with so many eggs would the queen not stay close, like in aliens, where she is very protective when Ripley threatens to burn them? And why do I care so much?:mad:


    Pretty sure the ship was transporting the eggs, the ship wasn't crashed, it was parked according to Scott.
    artvanderlay wrote: »
    So many questions...how long does an alien egg survive if it doesn't find a host to attach itself too? Does the face-hugger jump out anyways and just run around looking for a host, like when Burke (that ****!) let a couple loose after Newt and Ripley (although I think he got those from the bell-jars) ?

    Going by alien and the later films, the eggs open when something is near them. also it seems the hive mind will send face huggers out on the prowl going by Aliens. Presumably the facehuggers are in hibernation until the queen wakes them or someone is unfortunate enough to stroll by.

    artvanderlay wrote: »
    To be honest I'd be a lot more excited about a new alien movie if they had a new story where new characters were encountering the aliens for the first time again. I don't think the planet in alien was the alien's home planet, so it might be fun to have a ship with a crew crashing on the alien's home planet and expanding their backstory from there, maybe the crew forming an alliance with other aliens against it. Also I really don't like the idea that the alien was engineered for warfare...much better if it's a natural freak.

    You should probably check out the Prometheus thread ;)


  • #74
    klose
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    The Great Chinholio wrote: »
    Neither were queens

    In the extended cut of alien one of the crew is cocooned like in the other films for to be persumably impregnated, I guess the drone alien has some sort of way to impregnate an embryo aswell?

    RE: the gunfire, dont the aliens eventually relaise they should be avoided etc.. Isint learning quick and adapting two of their trademark aspects?


    James cameron should've re-released aliens in 3d instead of bloody titanic, that would've been great to see it on the big screen and in 3 glorious kick ass dimensions :) although the film is so dull and dark i doubt it would work..


  • #75
    TerrorFirmer
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    I think Alien3 is god awful - tedious, dull, boring. Resurrection is not particularly good, but entirely watchable, something I could barely say of Alien3. However, I've never seen the much acclaimed directors cut...but the original version I consider on par with Alien VS Predator in terms of enjoyment factor.


  • #76
    Draupnir
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    whippedcream wrote: »
    James cameron should've re-released aliens in 3d

    3D is the devil, imagine a movie as dark (lighting wise) as Aliens in 3D, you'd need to give torches to every member of the audience just so they could see the screen.


  • #77
    helimachoptor
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    For me I liked Alien 3 quite a bit it was very spare or something I cant really decscribe.

    Alien 4 however I treat in the same way as AVP, just something to break the boredom tbh.

    On a side note, watched blade runner yesterday for the 1st time, whats all the fuss about thought it was boring!


  • #78
    krudler
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    whippedcream wrote: »

    James cameron should've re-released aliens in 3d instead of bloody titanic, that would've been great to see it on the big screen and in 3 glorious kick ass dimensions :) although the film is so dull and dark i doubt it would work..

    no, no, just...no. Aliens rerelease? fcuk yeah, in 3D? fcuk no. Its too dark and was shot on crappy film stock so it'd look terrible, the grain would be in 3D :pac:


  • #79
    Sad Professor
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    Aliens really does look terrible compared to the first film. Even Cameron says so on the commentary track. In fact, none of Cameron's films have aged too well visually, which is strange given what a perfectionist he is. He was one of the early Super 35 proponents before film stocks were good enough for it. Although that doesn't explain Aliens which was shot flat.


  • #80
    klose
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    krudler wrote: »
    whippedcream wrote: »

    James cameron should've re-released aliens in 3d instead of bloody titanic, that would've been great to see it on the big screen and in 3 glorious kick ass dimensions :) although the film is so dull and dark i doubt it would work..

    no, no, just...no. Aliens rerelease? fcuk yeah, in 3D? fcuk no. Its too dark and was shot on crappy film stock so it'd look terrible, the grain would be in 3D :pac:


    Yeah true I jumped the gun with the 3d, I'm not the biggest fan of it either would love to see it re released though. Anyone know how alien and aliens fared in the box office on release? I didn't have the luxary of being alive :D


  • #81
    mikhail
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    helimachoptor wrote: »
    On a side note, watched blade runner yesterday for the 1st time, whats all the fuss about thought it was boring!
    Here's my take on it: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=69431614#post69431614


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  • #82
    krudler
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    Sad Professor wrote: »
    Aliens really does look terrible compared to the first film. Even Cameron says so on the commentary track. In fact, none of Cameron's films have aged too well visually, which is strange given what a perfectionist he is. He was one of the early Super 35 proponents before film stocks were good enough for it. Although that doesn't explain Aliens which was shot flat.

    Its the only one in 1.85 as well isnt it? could be wrong on that though will check later.

    Aliens was quite a tight budget as well even though it looks fantastic in places, the making of doc on the blu-ray is great, especially the stuff about James Horner writing the best action cue of the film pretty much overnight. Horner does rehash and plagiarise a lot of his stuff but the climax to Aliens is brilliant.


  • #83
    indough
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    mikhail wrote: »
    Here's my take on it: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=69431614#post69431614

    i just got sent a link to a letter that philip k dick supposedly sent to one of the producers after seeing a preview of the movie, here it is


  • #84
    jcf
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    I would definitely watch the directors cut of alien 3 - way better like a different film


  • #85
    SnakePlissken
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    jcf wrote: »
    I would definitely watch the directors cut of alien 3 - way better like a different film

    Just watched the Assembly Cut last night having last seen it a number of years ago.

    Relentlessly bleak and all too heartless in its treatment of the predecessors surviving characters - in hindsight not overly surprising considering who was seated behind the camera, in spite of this however it really is a decent watch.

    Though I do love Aliens and feel it holds up remarkably well to this today, I nevertheless believe Alien3 is a truer sequel to Alien than James Cameron's film. Not better... certainly not more enjoyable, but with its scantily-armed cast pitted against a lone, terrifyingly efficient monster its a more faithful follow up. In fact, Cameron's film would have made a perfectly epic final entry to the trilogy.... la, la, la... Alien Resurrection never happened, la, la, la, I can't hear you.


  • #86
    krudler
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    I do love the music in Alien 3, especially this track:

    1.45 in is brilliant, plays during the cremation scene

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGZxh-NG7FA


    and I thought the changing of the 20th Century Fox theme was fantastic, creeped me out the first time I heard it



  • #87
    al28283
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    Canis Lupus wrote: »
    I've no problem with Aliens 3, enjoyed it a lot although let down by some dodgy assed cgi.


    Alien3 wasn't CGI, it was a stop motion puppet


  • #88
    bullvine
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    Alien 3 look like it has cgi, especially the scenes near the end when its on the ceiling upside down, bit surprised at that!


  • #89
    bullvine
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    Would have lost money on that!

    "People complained that Alien 3 overused CGI in the film to render the Alien, when in actual fact the only CG used for the Alien was when it was jumping out of the pool of lead. Everything else was done by the man in a suit technique. "


  • #90
    Beefy78
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    fluke wrote: »
    First there was these shitty Brit prison characters, who all look the same, they're unmemorable (except for the doctor character). In the first two films there were an array of interesting and fun characters to root for... who gives a shit about scumbag prisoners? Newt and Hicks are killed off and we get these, yeah great job...

    The Assembly Cut adds a lot of flesh to the bones of the otherwise-background characters of Alien 3.

    I find 3 to be a film which has aged well.

    Resurrection is the only Alien film I ever got to see in the cinema and I must admit that when I first watched it in that environment I did enjoy it. It doesn't hold up so well to repeated viewings but there's some decent ideas in there. I really enjoyed the underwater stuff.

    Personally I think both films are watchable. They're just not classics of two different genres like the first two films are.


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  • #91
    al28283
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    bullvine wrote: »
    Would have lost money on that!

    "People complained that Alien 3 overused CGI in the film to render the Alien, when in actual fact the only CG used for the Alien was when it was jumping out of the pool of lead. Everything else was done by the man in a suit technique. "

    no, most of it was puppetry and stop motion. there was only 1 cg shot of the alien. there's a docu about it you can watch on youtube


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