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Garda with no licience,tax, and bald tyres kills two and gets a fine!

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  • #392
    zenno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭zenno


    robbie7730 wrote: »
    So you drive on every road, in a fashion as to prepare for kids to run out in front of you? 30kph down the motorway is it? You always pull in to change channel on the radio, or switch it on or off? I know, you never used a radio in the car. Never look left or right while driven, in your entire driving time?



    You`re fooling yourself if you believe you can give 100% to driving the entire time your driving.

    Sounds like we have found the perfect boards driver, who has zero chance of ever running into someone. Any accident would automatically be the other persons fault then.

    Saying a persons attention should never wane is all well and good. But its fantasy land stuff. You obviously genuinely believe you are a person that can concentrate flawlessly. The perfect driver. Sounds apt on boards though, the place with lots of flawless people.

    I just expect the unexpected at all times and I don't have a radio in the car as I never needed one. also who the heck drives at 30kph on a motorway ? you said that not me. Well my attention never does wane as once the car is moving then my concentration is 100% that's the way I do it. anyway this isn't about me so back on topic.


  • #393
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    bamboozle wrote: »
    incredible story, did he not have any lights on his car that he couldnt see these people on the road.

    one rule for us and another rule for them

    What rule are you referring to? You do know the collision itself is being investigated seperately by the Ombudsman? What am I saying, of course you don't because you haven't bothered to read anything but the thread title.


  • #394
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,377 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    zenno wrote: »
    I just expect the unexpected at all times and I don't have a radio in the car as I never needed one. also who the heck drives at 30kph on a motorway ?

    Well that's what you'd have to do if you were "expecting the unexpected at all times".


  • #395
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,370 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    zenno wrote: »
    I just expect the unexpected at all times and I don't have a radio in the car as I never needed one. also who the heck drives at 30kph on a motorway ? you said that not me.

    Well you said this, so i assume you watch out for kids on motorways.
    zenno wrote: »
    I will not take my attention off the road for 1 split second as I know a kid could run out onto the road at any time

    Well my attention never does wane as once the car is moving then my concentration is 100% that's the way I do it.
    Ok so you can concentrate 100% at all times. No radio you say, ever? Thats good. Silence with any passengers in the car too then, as talking means 100% cant be on the road. Never look left or right, as then you cant be looking ahead:)
    anyway this isn't about me so back on topic.
    Well its about someone that didnt see a person lying on the motorway. I said no one can concentrate 100% perfect all the time. You said that was wrong.

    But thats common sense really. You can try, and in doing so, believe you were never once distracted. But unless you never ever look at something along the road thats not related to driving, unless you dont say a word to someone in the car ever, then you have been distracted to some extent. And thats not about you, thats about everyone.


  • #396
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    zenno wrote: »
    I just expect the unexpected at all times and I don't have a radio in the car as I never needed one. also who the heck drives at 30kph on a motorway ? you said that not me. Well my attention never does wane as once the car is moving then my concentration is 100% that's the way I do it. anyway this isn't about me so back on topic.

    It's strange how attitudes change when a Garda is involved. So despite your previous near misses with idiots and dopy people on the road you now believe it is completely the fault of the driver.
    zenno wrote: »
    well if people looked where they were going as to walking or cycling then they would not have a problem. but the majority of idiots that do get hit by traffic are either looking into space and not concentrating on their surroundings or they are drunk or high on something. i have had a few near misses myself by dopy people of all ages that just walk out onto the road without looking and i was driving at the correct speed limit. i have seen accidents as well from people crossing the road without looking as if they were on another planet. a road is for traffic if people are going to cross a road or cycle on it they should obey the rules of the road just like any driver.


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  • #397
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    zenno wrote: »
    I just expect the unexpected at all times and I don't have a radio in the car as I never needed one. also who the heck drives at 30kph on a motorway ? you said that not me. Well my attention never does wane as once the car is moving then my concentration is 100% that's the way I do it. anyway this isn't about me so back on topic.

    No one is this perfect when they are driving, we all lose concentration for a split second, our minds are full of everyday stuff. If you were in the car with the window open and say a bee flew in would it distract you? If you seen a spider in the car would it distract you?


  • #398
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    Ellis Dee wrote: »
    Yes, I certainly do. Unlike some defendants, who are unemployed or poorly paid, Gardai are well paid and should be able to pay their tax without difficulty. Failure to do so demonstrates a nonchalant attitude to abiding by the law and helps undermine other people's willingness to do so. Police officers are a privileged group and, by exercising public power, they can and do sometimes intervene in citizens' fundamental and human rights. That is why they must be utterly beyond reproach and seen to be.:cool:

    Do you think a bank clerk who has been caught shoplifting fifty euro worth of goods (hardly the biggest crime, either) wouldn't be fired? :cool:

    You don't know his financial situation so cannot say what he can afford. Young gardai are not well paid.
    I don't think a bank clerk would be fired if it was a first offence no. People don't just get fired because they made a mistake.


  • #399
    marco_polo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 10,093 Mod ✭✭✭✭marco_polo


    nm wrote: »
    Where are you all reading that the two people were lying on the ground or fighting in the middle of a motorway? I've read four links and no mention of it, I find that part extremely hard to believe

    The state solicitor mentioned it in court and it is in a number of newspaper reports.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0420/1224314969133.html
    Both men were “on the ground in the middle of the motorway” when he hit them, Limerick State solicitor Michael Murray said.

    Dan O’Gorman, representing Garda Clifford, said his client had “no criminal culpability” in respect of the “dreadfully tragic accident”.

    Mr Murray said the State “accepted there was no complaint in the manner of Garda Clifford’s driving”.


  • #400
    _feedback_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,274 ✭✭✭_feedback_


    zenno wrote: »
    I just expect the unexpected at all times and I don't have a radio in the car as I never needed one. also who the heck drives at 30kph on a motorway ? you said that not me. Well my attention never does wane as once the car is moving then my concentration is 100% that's the way I do it. anyway this isn't about me so back on topic.

    You made it about you. Have to say, I don't believe for one second that you don't use the radio in your car...

    EDIT:
    MagicSean wrote: »
    It's strange how attitudes change when a Garda is involved. So despite your previous near misses with idiots and dopy people on the road you now believe it is completely the fault of the driver.

    WOW :eek: :D


  • #401
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,370 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    elviscostello wrote: »
    You made it about you. Have to say, I don't believe for one second that you don't use the radio in your car...

    No heater or fan to adjust either no doubt.


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  • #402
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    MagicSean wrote: »
    It's strange how attitudes change when a Garda is involved. So despite your previous near misses with idiots and dopy people on the road you now believe it is completely the fault of the driver.

    :D Well done thanks for the laugh.
    Typical mule eh :pac:


  • #403
    hondasam
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    robbie7730 wrote: »
    No heater or fan to adjust either no doubt.

    He would lose concentration doing this either he freezes to death or collapses at the wheel with the heat.:pac:


  • #404
    _feedback_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,274 ✭✭✭_feedback_


    robbie7730 wrote: »
    No heater or fan to adjust either no doubt.

    I think the quoted poster should be banned for advocating dangerous driving behaviour :pac:


  • #405
    zenno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭zenno


    MagicSean wrote: »
    It's strange how attitudes change when a Garda is involved. So despite your previous near misses with idiots and dopy people on the road you now believe it is completely the fault of the driver.

    Ahh picking old posts up from me are we. well I never hit anyone because i can damn well see the problem and slow down or stop in time. Just because I had a few near misses does not mean anything as I was well aware of the situation going on in front of me and had time to slowdown or stop. :rolleyes: And no I never used a radio in the car, whats so hard to believe in that.


  • #406
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    zenno wrote: »
    Ahh picking old posts up from me are we. well I never hit anyone because i can damn well see the problem and slow down or stop in time. Just because I had a few near misses does not mean anything as I was well aware of the situation going on in front of me and had time to slowdown or stop. :rolleyes: And no I never used a radio in the car, whats so hard to believe in that.

    When you put a halo over your own head your asking to be shot down. Speaking of your self proclaimed super braking skills. So it would seem you weren't always perfect by any means. Nobidy is. Especially when it comes to driving. You should keep that in mind.
    zenno wrote: »
    the reason i failed the test then was that i didn't brake hard skid stop as an emergency stop.


  • #407
    _feedback_
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    zenno wrote:

    Ahh picking old posts up from me are we. well I never hit anyone because i can damn well see the problem and slow down or stop in time. Just because I had a few near misses does not mean anything as I was well aware of the situation going on in front of me and had time to slowdown or stop. :rolleyes: And no I never used a radio in the car, whats so hard to believe in that.

    But surely from your experiences of people walking out in front of you, you can see how easily it could happen? Are you saying that the driver is always at fault because they weren't so quick to stop as you were?

    You seem to be a music lover. You even mention spending a night at the beach in your car listening to tunes. So when you are on the drive home after that, you don't switch on your radio? Really?


  • #408
    thebullkf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭thebullkf


    MagicSean wrote: »
    When you put a halo over your own head your asking to be shot down. Speaking of your self proclaimed super braking skills. So it would seem you weren't always perfect by any means. Nobidy is. Especially when it comes to driving. You should keep that in mind.

    Funny how you take the time to trawl through other posters comments, yet won't take the time to answer a simple question...
    thebullkf wrote: »
    lemme guess... you a garda?

    well?


  • #409
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,370 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    zenno wrote: »
    well I never hit anyone because i can damn well see the problem and slow down or stop in time.

    So this, you assume, means you never will hit anyone?


  • #410
    M cebee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭M cebee


    would the fact that's he's not qualified to drive and his car is defective

    be seen as contributory factors to tha accident at all??


  • #411
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    thebullkf wrote: »
    Funny how you take the time to trawl through other posters comments, yet won't take the time to answer a simple question...

    It took less than a minute.
    thebullkf wrote: »
    well?

    Would it change the relevance of my views?


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  • #412
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,370 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    thebullkf wrote: »
    Funny how you take the time to trawl through other posters comments, yet won't take the time to answer a simple question...
    Ever try the advanced search function? No trawling needed. If a poster tells the rest of us that he is perfect, then he should be perfect.
    well?

    Im not a garda anyway. The fact is, people were lying in the middle of a motorway. Not very sensible if living is their preference.


  • #413
    zenno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭zenno


    MagicSean wrote: »
    When you put a halo over your own head your asking to be shot down. Speaking of your self proclaimed super braking skills. So it would seem you weren't always perfect by any means. Nobidy is. Especially when it comes to driving. You should keep that in mind.

    I do keep that in mind but that very old post i used before has nothing to do with anything as i was always on the ball with such things happening and of which never hit anyone or had an accident for that matter.

    fair enough it can happen but the main point is the garda should not have been on the bloody road with no licence or tax. how the hell could you not see 2 people rolling around in the middle of a motorway anyway unless you were either blind or driving with absolutely no lights on the car or on the road ? it's impossible not to have seen some movement up ahead. and don't give me sh1t as i am not the garda and I have not ever had an accident.

    one thing i learned a long time ago as well hondasam is that when a wasp or bee enters your window while driving you just ignore it and pull over if safe to do so as a bloody sting is not going to kill you, maybe you would cause an accident from a wasp coming in your window but thats you not me. those insects don't faze me. :pac:


  • #414
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,370 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    zenno wrote: »
    I do keep that in mind but that very old post i used before has nothing to do with anything as i was always on the ball with such things happening and of which never hit anyone or had an accident for that matter.

    fair enough it can happen but the main point is the garda should not have been on the bloody road with no licence or tax. how the hell could you not see 2 people rolling around in the middle of a motorway anyway unless you were either blind or driving with absolutely no lights on the car or on the road ? it's impossible not to have seen some movement up ahead. and don't give me sh1t as i am not the garda and I have not ever had an accident.

    one thing i learned a long time ago as well hondasam is that when a wasp or bee enters your window while driving you just ignore it and pull over if safe to do so as a bloody sting is not going to kill you, maybe you would cause an accident from a wasp coming in your window but thats you not me. those insects don't faze me. :pac:

    You seem to believe you are accident proof. A danger in itself.


  • #415
    zenno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭zenno


    the reason i failed the test then was that i didn't brake hard skid stop as an emergency stop.

    You sir are pulling at straws as this lame attempt to wrong me is incorrect as the reason i didn't brake hard in the emergency stop years ago was the fact that the emergency stop is not in the test in the republic, it is only used in northern ireland so you are wasting your time trying to insult my intelligence. if you looked at that very old thread you would have seen that this is the case as the mods even explained that the emergency stop is not used in the republic. :rolleyes: and the tester was from belfast so go figure


  • #416
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    zenno wrote: »
    I do keep that in mind but that very old post i used before has nothing to do with anything as i was always on the ball with such things happening and of which never hit anyone or had an accident for that matter.

    fair enough it can happen but the main point is the garda should not have been on the bloody road with no licence or tax. how the hell could you not see 2 people rolling around in the middle of a motorway anyway unless you were either blind or driving with absolutely no lights on the car or on the road ? it's impossible not to have seen some movement up ahead. and don't give me sh1t as i am not the garda and I have not ever had an accident.

    one thing i learned a long time ago as well hondasam is that when a wasp or bee enters your window while driving you just ignore it and pull over if safe to do so as a bloody sting is not going to kill you, maybe you would cause an accident from a wasp coming in your window but thats you not me. those insects don't faze me. :pac:

    Still on that pedestal? I can only hope when you eventually get landed to earth you don't take any innocent victims with you.


  • #417
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,370 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    zenno wrote: »

    wasp or bee sting is not going to kill you

    Not everyone can say that.

    And i dont know anyone that would drive as they were with a wasp after landing on them.


  • #418
    Reg'stoy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,638 ✭✭✭Reg'stoy


    zenno wrote: »

    fair enough it can happen but the main point is the garda should not have been on the bloody road with no licence or tax. how the hell could you not see 2 people rolling around in the middle of a motorway anyway unless you were either blind or driving with absolutely no lights on the car or on the road ? it's impossible not to have seen some movement up ahead. and don't give me sh1t as i am not the garda and I have not ever had an accident.

    Quoting another poster from another thread below
    The car was coming down the sliproad that exits the city on the Raheen side going by reports, As such the car was travelling down a sliproad which does not run parallel with the motorway and it is a slip road were views to the left are obstructed until your car actually enters the motorway. The two men were meant to be rolling on the ground in this blindspot.

    Have posted in the thread in AH on this same topic, but I live just a few miles from where the accident happened and drive that exact stretch of road pretty much on a daily basis. Coming from the Raheen side and entering that motorway using that sliproad would make it nigh on impossible for a car driver to see two men rolling on the ground until you were literally on top of them.

    The car's headlights would not be facing the right direction until the car took the left hand turn at the end of the sliproad slope, so the car does not even get to face in the same direction as the motorway flow until it nakes the left turn at tyhe end. Also the view is blocked by the stone/earth slope, by the planted trees, and at the bottom by the crash barrier.

    IMHO nobody had a chance in this accident. The guys who were rolling on the road had no chance or surviving, and the garda driving the car had no chance of spotting them until it was too late........ it is a stretch of road where a sliproad with a few blind spots enters the motorway, plus it is a stretch of road where there is a big bend on the motorway itself as you head past the flyover to the left of the sliproad exit.

    Throw in the fact that it was at night and that there is no lighting at all on that stretch of motorway, and it becomes a the fatal mix it proved to be.

    I reckon if this thread was Off Duty Paramedic/Nurse/Doctor/Teacher with no licence....... the posts would be a whole lot different.


  • #419
    zenno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭zenno


    robbie7730 wrote: »
    You seem to believe you are accident proof. A danger in itself.

    If it was a danger in itself then how come i always managed to avoid an accident from idiots running out or walking straight out in front of my car. if all you can do is pull up old posts and try to make yourself seem worthy then you are wasting everyones time.


  • #420
    thebullkf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭thebullkf


    MagicSean wrote: »
    It took less than a minute.



    Would it change the relevance of my views?



    good man, answer a question with a question:rolleyes:

    Defo a Garda so.!

    not change their relevance but maybe colour your perception a wee bit.


    Do you think the fine he got is appropriate to the consequences of his actions?


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  • #421
    zenno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭zenno


    Reg'stoy wrote: »
    Quoting another poster from another thread below



    I reckon if this thread was Off Duty Paramedic/Nurse/Doctor/Teacher with no licence....... the posts would be a whole lot different.

    Why would the post be a whole lot different if it was an Off Duty Paramedic/Nurse/Doctor/Teacher ?. driving without a licence and tax and 2 baldy tyres would make no difference if it was any of these people because it is illegal and down right dangerous and none of them should be on the road if this was the case with either of them.


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