Have the Dublin 30KPH Zone removed! E-mail this councillor

argosy2006 · 02-02-2010 12:53AM

30KPH:eek: LOL X 4000-OMG+IMAFO X20=ARE YOU NUTS!
Thats pretty much impossible to drive at that speed. its 18.64mph, the old woman in her electric wheel chair on the footpath beside you would be passing you out,

TomTom · 02-02-2010 12:54AM

Are cyclists not bound by the 30kph speed limit also?

02-02-2010 12:55AM

evolutionqy7 wrote: »

emailed him...think this is stupid...might aswell bann the cars...if 30 sticks cyclists will be overtaking all the cars

Cyclists overtake all the cars anyway because most cars in dub spend most of their time crawling along in traffic jams.

Traumadoc · 02-02-2010 12:55AM

Mary Freehill wrote: »

not sure what I should do, I am just trying to reply to the issue of the speed limit

I am a councillor who voted against the 30kph. Got agreement to-night that it will be reviewed. Is it permissable to put this type of message?

I really think it will make no difference to average speed in Dublin, you may get to the next queue of traffic a few seconds later but you will still be at the end of a queue of traffic. However the chances that someone will have been killed are much less.

The problem is that there is a large volume of cars trying to share the same road space with a large number of cyclists and pedestrians.

Have a review in 6 months time but is it morally acceptable to put peoples lives in danger to get to the end of the next queue a bit faster??

02-02-2010 12:57AM

TomTom wrote: »

Are cyclists not bound by the 30kph speed limit also?

No, applies only to mechanically propelled vehicles. You can be done for "furious cycling" or some such. Most bikes don't have speedometers so how could they be expected to observe a speed limit?

argosy2006 · 02-02-2010 01:00AM

evolutionqy7 wrote: »

emailed him...think this is stupid...might aswell bann the cars...if 30 sticks cyclists will be overtaking all the cars

THAT IS A FACT, THEY WOULD BE, on a clear piece of road even a jogger will be passing you out,

zenno · 02-02-2010 01:01AM

Jumpy wrote: »

Ah yes, because we all know that going slower increases the chances of accidents immensely.

well if people looked where they were going as to walking or cycling then they would not have a problem. but the majority of idiots that do get hit by traffic are either looking into space and not concentrating on their surroundings or they are drunk or high on something. i have had a few near misses myself by dopy people of all ages that just walk out onto the road without looking and i was driving at the correct speed limit. i have seen accidents as well from people crossing the road without looking as if they were on another planet. a road is for traffic if people are going to cross a road or cycle on it they should obey the rules of the road just like any driver.

TomTom · 02-02-2010 01:03AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Cyclists overtake all the cars anyway because most cars in dub spend most of their time crawling along in traffic jams.

How do people think this is true, at peak times the average speed may be 11kph but on an average morning for me going home I can do the speed limit all the way out and most of the time I am driving at a time where there are very few people or cars about yet I will have to do 18mph along an empty dual lane road just so I can head home were part of my journey is on a rural road with a poor surface, several hidden entrances but a speed limit of 80kph which most boy racers see as a target as opposed to a limit.

02-02-2010 01:11AM

TomTom wrote: »

How do people think this is true, at peak times the average speed may be 11kph but on an average morning for me going home I can do the speed limit all the way out and most of the time I am driving at a time where there are very few people or cars about yet I will have to do 18mph along an empty dual lane road just so I can head home were part of my journey is on a rural road with a poor surface, several hidden entrances but a speed limit of 80kph which most boy racers see as a target as opposed to a limit.

Granted, it's only at peak times that things get crazy slow, however the 30 kph zone only covers a pretty small area and will lengthen your journey time by 2-3 minutes possibly.

During the recent icey spell I was always turning up early to places because I overestimated the time that would be added to my journey by driving slowly (30kph or even less, when the ice was bad).

02-02-2010 01:13AM

argosy2006 wrote: »

THAT IS A FACT, THEY WOULD BE, on a clear piece of road even a jogger will be passing you out,

If that jogger was Usain Bolt at full tilt, yes. Otherwise no. Just no.

zenno · 02-02-2010 01:13AM

Run_to_da_hills · 02-02-2010 01:15AM

ectoraige wrote: »

And England. And Spain. And Switzerland. And Sweden. And Germany. And France. And Belgium. And New Zealand. And Australia. Need I go on?

And yes all those countries you mentioned have a decent alternative / metro/ rail / tram infrastructure unlike Dublin which is still over dependant on busses. :rolleyes:

Martian Martin · 02-02-2010 01:47AM

A few things..

1. This is just the beginning, this may be rolled out to other areas in Dublin,
the Mayoress admitted this on Matt Cooper's show today - download the Podcast.

2. This is just another Anti-car measure. The Congestion charge is only around the corner - despite any politician's assurance of waiting until we have a proper Public Transport system.

3. This has not been thought threw whatsoever and Emer Costello does not even fully understand it herself. For example, when asked by Matt Cooper if this would also apply to the LUAS she advised she "was not sure" and would "have to check on it" By being utterly unprepared for the most basic questions it shows the complete lack of regard or fear for how the people will take this new Anti-car measure.

4. Keeping a car at 18mph will require people looking at the Speedometer often - this will not help road safety at all.

5. Andrew Montague advised that this measure was put in because of "all the drunk people" stumbling onto the road "with a few drinks on them"
- Ladies and Gentleman, that is quite simply THE dumbest backward bit of logic/policy I have ever heard from an Irish politician. He should be ashamed of himself for uttering such a dim-witted moronic statement of national radio.

6. **** Labour. They are supposed to represent workers. The same workers who need to use these roads without being utilised as a piggy-bank for Government revenue. I would expect this from the loons in the Green party but not Labour. They will never get my Vote again.

7. Lastly, this measure will stick and will not be repealed. Why? Because we rolled over and accepted that the Banking inquiry will be mainly behind doors, we are rolling over and accepting that 600 top level civil servants sweet talked themselves out of having to take a cut and we will roll over and accept this new Anti-Car measure. If you don't believe me ask yourself why, after everything Fianna Fial has done (or not) in the last term, has their supprting rating INCREASED!? Why? Because Irish people will bitch and moan but eventually will capitulate and vote the Party their Mammy and Daddy voted for and drive like a moron at 18mph in their capital city.

I applaud the group here who have taken the time and emailed this bufoon and I wish you the best of luck.

ectoraige · 02-02-2010 01:50AM

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

And yes all those countries you mentioned have a decent alternative / metro/ rail / tram infrastructure unlike Dublin which is still over dependant on busses. :rolleyes:

I wasn't attempting to make any correlation between availability of public transport and urban speed limits, I was responding to a poster who characterised the change with "only in Ireland".

I'm not really sure how you see a link between the two anyway. Are you saying that an extra two minutes on your car journey into the city centre is unacceptable because there isn't a train station outside your door?

I'll note also that in *any* public transport system, bus transport is hugely important even in cities fortunate enough to have an extensive metro system.

Run_to_da_hills · 02-02-2010 01:59AM

ectoraige wrote: »

I wasn't attempting to make any correlation between availability of public transport and urban speed limits, I was responding to a poster who characterised the change with "only in Ireland".

I'm not really sure how you see a link between the two anyway. Are you saying that an extra two minutes on your car journey into the city centre is unacceptable because there isn't a train station outside your door?

I'll note also that in *any* public transport system, bus transport is hugely important even in cities fortunate enough to have an extensive metro system.

This restriction is 24 hours and crawling from Mount joy Sq to Christ Church will take a lot longer than just "two minutes". You must also remember that people particularly the elderly and most women will be driving considerably slower than 30KPH fearing that they could exceed the limit.

Because the tolerance is so tight drivers will be watching their speedometers consistently instead of paying attention to the road.

ectoraige · 02-02-2010 02:03AM

Martian Martin wrote: »

4. Keeping a car at 18mph will require people looking at the Speedometer often - this will not help road safety at all.

To begin with, it's 30kph, not 18mph; we adopted metric speed limits five years ago.

Now, can you explain how people are able to keep a car at 50kph without looking at the Speedometer often? 100kph? 120kph?

Martian Martin wrote: »

5. Andrew Montague advised that this measure was put in because of "all the drunk people" stumbling onto the road "with a few drinks on them"
- Ladies and Gentleman, that is quite simply THE dumbest backward bit of logic/policy I have ever heard from an Irish politician. He should be ashamed of himself for uttering such a dim-witted moronic statement of national radio.

Some alternatives:

Seperate all roads and footpaths with high railings
Ban alcohol
Ban bars
Ban cars
Ban people
Disregard any duty of care towards each other

I'm sure you can think of some more helpful alternatives.

Run_to_da_hills · 02-02-2010 02:12AM

ectoraige wrote: »

To begin with, it's 30kph, not 18mph; we adopted metric speed limits five years ago. .

Its 18.64 MPH. :rolleyes:

MPH puts it in a more understanding prospective as a very large percentage of the driver population were brought up with it also many cars still have MPH calibrations. :rolleyes:

ectoraige wrote: »

Now, can you explain how people are able to keep a car at 50kph without looking at the Speedometer often? 100kph? 120kph?

I repeat myself again. 30kph is a ridiculous tolerance for most drivers to hold without getting frustrated.

ectoraige · 02-02-2010 02:41AM

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Its 18.64 MPH. :rolleyes:

MPH puts it in a more understanding prospective as a very large percentage of the driver population were brought up with it also many cars still have MPH calibrations. :rolleyes:
I repeat myself again. 30kph is a ridiculous tolerance for most drivers to hold without getting frustrated.

100% of the driver population have followed kph for five years, but whatever floats your boat.
At least there's some truth in your post - the issue isn't that some drivers are unable to drive at 30kph, it's that they are unwilling to. If you find controlling your car frustrating, I hate to think what it was like when you were learning to tie your shoelaces.

mr_happy · 02-02-2010 02:56AM

Nakatomi wrote: »

I really think it will make no difference to average speed in Dublin, you may get to the next queue of traffic a few seconds later but you will still be at the end of a queue of traffic. However the chances that someone will have been killed are much less.

The problem is that there is a large volume of cars trying to share the same road space with a large number of cyclists and pedestrians.

Have a review in 6 months time but is it morally acceptable to put peoples lives in danger to get to the end of the next queue a bit faster??

If it saves the life of one drunken Jay walker and brings in a good few thousand in speeding fines it will be worth it.

Im wondering just how Im going to drive at that speed, its infuriating . Just BS. The economy has slowed down so they want to bring the speed people work at down as well? How many people need to get from a to b to make a living? I cant go by Trinity at certain hours. Now when I can I have to crawl? WTF is going on.

I seriously think I will have no license in 12 months, I currently have no points, but between these anti speeding vans on the way in (money racket)
and this BS, the only ppl who are going to make money from this is the taxi drivers with fares who will gladly slow down.

Esel · 02-02-2010 02:58AM

Does this twat live in Marino? Most of it is 30kph as well.....

ectoraige · 02-02-2010 03:01AM

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

This restriction is 24 hours and crawling from Mount joy Sq to Christ Church will take a lot longer than just "two minutes".

Ye gods, you're right, if you were going between Mountjoy Square and Aungier Street say, and contrived a route that kept you within the zone by avoiding Gardiner Street, Bolton Street, Church Street, and Patrick Street, then you could cover about 3 kilometres which at 30kph would now take you 6 minutes, instead of the 3.6 minutes you it would have taken you at 50kph. So yeah, the increase would actually be 2 minutes, 24 seconds, and not just 2 minutes. I do apologise, thanks for pointing out my error, it certainly was quite significant.

pfy2k · 02-02-2010 03:05AM

You get what you vote for! Stupid Irish, and your Cork city is next!:D
Lucky for me I live in the six counties of ULSTER in the United Kingdom!:D

Jumpy · 02-02-2010 03:12AM

This thread is full of fail.

Esel · 02-02-2010 03:21AM

pfy2k wrote: »

Lucky for you I live in the six counties of ULSTER in the United Kingdom!:D

FYP.

ectoraige · 02-02-2010 03:21AM

argosy2006 wrote: »

THAT IS A FACT, THEY WOULD BE, on a clear piece of road even a jogger will be passing you out,

You have a tenous understanding of either what a fact is, or what 30kph is. World record to 1000m is about 23kph.

ectoraige · 02-02-2010 03:25AM

argosy2006 wrote: »

30KPH:eek: LOL X 4000-OMG+IMAFO X20=ARE YOU NUTS!
Thats pretty much impossible to drive at that speed. its 18.64mph, the old woman in her electric wheel chair on the footpath beside you would be passing you out,

Yeah, sorry again with the facts, but eh, max speed for even the fastest electric wheelchairs would be half that, most would do well to top 4mph.

ectoraige · 02-02-2010 03:27AM

mr_happy wrote: »

I seriously think I will have no license in 12 months, I currently have no points, but between these anti speeding vans on the way in (money racket)
and this BS, the only ppl who are going to make money from this is the taxi drivers with fares who will gladly slow down.

You could, just, you know, drive within the speed limits? Just a thought.

pfy2k · 02-02-2010 03:30AM

Don't worry or get annoyed about your stupid Councils 30km/h City centre speed limit. Just head north to Ulster and spend your cash and save money and forget about shopping in Dublin!:D:D:D

K-9 · 02-02-2010 05:29AM

ectoraige wrote: »

You do know there aren't any Green Party councillors on DCC, right? That it's dominated by Labour and Fine Gael, yeah? Just checking.

:rolleyes:

Have to love it. They have no councillors but some voters will blame it on the Greens!

old_aussie · 02-02-2010 06:24AM

I hope all the cyclists get fined the same as motorists and lose their licence or get banned from cycling on the public roads.

30 kph, what a joke.

Have the Dublin 30KPH Zone removed! E-mail this councillor

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