Dog halts thief and now faces death

Dubit10 · 20-04-2012 07:51AM

Pitbulls should be banned period.

Jesus Shaves · 20-04-2012 07:53AM

Dubit10 wrote: »

Pitbulls should be banned period.

I'd say you must be a genius

working fool · 20-04-2012 08:36AM

The owner should have declared their back garden to be under sharia law !
To which a thief will have their hands removed

CrackisWhack · 20-04-2012 08:47AM

As much as I love dogs, that dog should probably be put down, Its clearly a very dangerous animal if it can rip off a grown mans arm, It's a tragic accident waiting to happen.

As people have said, kids get up to all kinds of mischief and if the dog escaped from the back garden somebody could be badly hurt or even killed.

greendom · 20-04-2012 08:48AM

Jimmy Bottlehead wrote: »

For the same reason that (for example) homosexual activity was illegal - fear and ignorance.
Like I said before, applying a ban to breeds is no different than villifying a race of people. It's ridiculous. But sure it's easier to just blame an entire breed instead of looking at some of the idiots who own the dog's.

Ok I don't have enough information so I'll take that on face value. However, once a dog of whatever breed has attacked and maimed a person in that way, (however odious the person in question is) then the dog has to be put down.

ScouseMouse · 20-04-2012 09:46AM

working fool wrote: »

The owner should have declared their back garden to be under sharia law !
To which a thief will have their hands removed

Thats pure genius that is !

Seriously though. Two comments.

Fair play to the dog - one less scumbag

BUT

What if it was a child retrieving a football ?

Jimmy Bottlehead · 20-04-2012 09:57AM

greendom wrote: »

Ok I don't have enough information so I'll take that on face value. However, once a dog of whatever breed has attacked and maimed a person in that way, (however odious the person in question is) then the dog has to be put down.

I genuinely don't agree with that.

We've a small mongrel at home, you couldn't meet a friendlier, happier dog. We've a cat, and the two of them wrestle and play all the time and never hurt each other beyond a small accidental scratch or bump.

However, if someone aggressively came into our apartment and acted in a threatening manner, I've little doubt that she would turn into a very aggressive animal indeed, and it's what I would expect of her and applaud her for.
If she were to maim an intruder, there is no way she should be put to sleep for it. Her action would be for the same reason I'd happily put a dent in an intruder's head - protection of the home/territory and safety of the family/pack. Just because a dog acts in a reasonable manner in an appropriate situation is no reason to suddenly deem it mental and end it's life.

allibastor · 20-04-2012 10:12AM

you find that most cases of dog attacks are done by dogs who have been badly treated.

i know this will sound as a generalization but every time you read about a dog attacking a kid or a person in the UK its always from a council estate or something like that. now not that all people in council estates mistreat their dogs, but thing like the dog environment and daily exercise levels can also lend to aggressive behavior. if the dog is used as something people see as the equivalent to holding a gun or a knife then its is not the dogs fault as it is trained to be like this.

I once had a friend who had two staffs. he used to get them to make loads of noise when he wanted them to to scare people and the general like of this, what a wanker. three years later he was surprised when one cornered his child when the child was screaming. the dog did not attack thankfully but it had been trained to have an intimidating factor to it, and when it perceived a possible threat from the child's action it reacted in the way it was shown.

all dogs, like all people have the potential to do great damage, they will instinctively go to do the most damage that they can if they are threatened, be it go for throat or hands/arms to best give themselves the advantage.

and to be fair, if you are a scumbag and live your life as such you should expect these kind of things to happen, god love Ireland we always seem to favor the preparator of crime rather than the victim.

Kolido · 20-04-2012 10:38AM

The fact that the guy was a thief and scumbag is irrelavent as the dog isn't to know this.
If the home owner injured the guy to the same extent under the same circumstances, what would the verdict be? Was the attack provoked, self defence? I know the guy was trespassing but was the dog or home in danger?
You can't let a dog attack someone if a person can't.

allibastor · 20-04-2012 10:44AM

Kolido wrote: »

The fact that the guy was a thief and scumbag is irrelavent as the dog isn't to know this.
If the home owner injured the guy to the same extent under the same circumstances, what would the verdict be? Was the attack provoked, self defence? I know the guy was trespassing but was the dog or home in danger?
You can't let a dog attack someone if a person can't.

do you know if the dog was provoked? were you there? for all we know the guy had made a move to kick the dog out of the way or not. for all we know he was very threatening to the dog and his territory.

Kolido · 20-04-2012 10:58AM

allibastor wrote: »

do you know if the dog was provoked? were you there? for all we know the guy had made a move to kick the dog out of the way or not. for all we know he was very threatening to the dog and his territory.

If you read my post properly you will notice I was asking these questions also, not stating blind facts.

Dravokivich · 20-04-2012 11:19AM

calfmuscle wrote: »

Although most of us are happy the dog managed to stop a thief, the reality is that a person jumped a fence and was attacked by an animal. It could easily have been a child or an innocent neighbor retrieving a ball. Would you want that dog living next door to your family?

A local kid would know there is a dog in there and chances are the dog could be familiar with them too. Also, when I were a lad, if a ball went into someone's back garden, we'd ya know, knock on the door, apologise and ask if we could have it back.

working fool · 20-04-2012 11:25AM

Seriously ?
What if a kid wandered onto the runway at Dublin airport ?
Would we have to shoot down a plane ?
It's not the 40's
The notion that you can let ur kids wander around "free range " style is a thing of the past !

Sugarlumps · 20-04-2012 11:33AM

The dog is a fúcking hero, maybe it should run for president next time out.

allibastor · 20-04-2012 11:35AM

Kolido wrote: »

If you read my post properly you will notice I was asking these questions also, not stating blind facts.

i did read it, and i know it was not blind facts, but lets be honest, if your man is a scum bag chances are he was doing something other than picking the daises at the back of the house. you did make assumptions based on your man being in a slightly less troublesome situation than he really was.

cowzerp · 20-04-2012 11:39AM

calfmuscle wrote: »

Although most of us are happy the dog managed to stop a thief, the reality is that a person jumped a fence and was attacked by an animal. It could easily have been a child or an innocent neighbor retrieving a ball. Would you want that dog living next door to your family?

Neighbours should not be jumping into anyone else's garden

Kid's nor Dog's are stupid though, Kid's no not to jump into garden's with a dog they are unsure of and Dog's are very well aware if the person is a threat or not

A scum bag on the run would be a major threat to a dog who would sense his nerves and panic and know something is not right, I retrieved many a ball as a kid and it was obvious what gardens you could enter or not.

That is why you never here of dog bites to nice kids retrieving ball's and you do hear about people getting bit breaking into homes or on the run like this junkie waster.

Dog should be made an honorary Gardai for his efforts.

Jen Pigs Fly · 20-04-2012 11:41AM

calfmuscle wrote: »

Although most of us are happy the dog managed to stop a thief, the reality is that a person jumped a fence and was attacked by an animal. It could easily have been a child or an innocent neighbor retrieving a ball. Would you want that dog living next door to your family?

Kids ring the doorbell at my house to get a ball because they know I have a dog.

Not all kids just trespass into other people's property, most are civilised enough to ring in and ask.

Anyone with a bit of sense would not just jump over a garden fence, they have no idea what could be back there.

hooradiation · 20-04-2012 11:51AM

"the dog should be put down" is the correct answer.

Kolido · 20-04-2012 11:51AM

allibastor wrote: »

i did read it, and i know it was not blind facts, but lets be honest, if your man is a scum bag chances are he was doing something other than picking the daises at the back of the house. you did make assumptions based on your man being in a slightly less troublesome situation than he really was.

I appreciate your point. What I was trying to point out is that it could of been anyone who jumped fence. I think the case should be dealt with in that way.
We don't know what provocation took place to justify the attack but I would imagine the guy didn't want to hang around to long with the Gardia in chase.

MungBean · 20-04-2012 11:52AM

xxxJennyxxx wrote: »

Kids ring the doorbell at my house to get a ball because they know I have a dog.

Not all kids just trespass into other people's property, most are civilised enough to ring in and ask.

Anyone with a bit of sense would not just jump over a garden fence, they have no idea what could be back there.

Some ring the door bell and some dont. There's plenty of dogs around, some growl, some snap but rarely do they attack. If they do attack you know for certain its a dangerous animal.

In this case couldnt be stopped by their owner the police had to pepper spray, what if it was the thief's home and a policeman's hand was taken off ? Well done dog in your role but I'm afraid you need to go bye bye, wicked dogs shouldnt be allowed to be kept as pets. Losing a hand for trespassing which is what the scum did isnt exactly an appropriate punishment.

Jen Pigs Fly · 20-04-2012 12:03PM

MungBean wrote: »

Some ring the door bell and some dont. There's plenty of dogs around, some growl, some snap but rarely do they attack. If they do attack you know for certain its a dangerous animal.

In this case couldnt be stopped by their owner the police had to pepper spray, what if it was the thief's home and a policeman's hand was taken off ? Well done dog in your role but I'm afraid you need to go bye bye, wicked dogs shouldnt be allowed to be kept as pets. Losing a hand for trespassing which is what the scum did isnt exactly an appropriate punishment.

Well when I was younger I always rang the bell, as did others my age, and I get on average 1 or 2 calls a day during good days asking for a ball/toy back which I will happily do for them. I always get a big 'thank you' after as well. We're from a country community area however. I find hearing stories of kids hopping over fences trespassing are more-so from disadvantaged areas where the parents just let their toe rags for kids run riot of the neighbourhood. Horrible generalisation of course but most people will agree with me. More well-to-do areas tend to have much nicer, polite, well manner kids.

There was no mention of the owner trying to stop the dog or did I miss that?

We don't know the full facts, all I know is my dog has done the same to someone trying to break into the house, she is a labrador/greyhound cross, she chased them down the road and gave one of them an awful bite. She knew they were a threat and was defending her territory and her family. When the guards came over she happily walked over wagging her tail, she knew they were no threat.

Dog's arn't stupid, they know if someone means harm or not.

giles lynchwood · 20-04-2012 12:04PM

Here we have a family dog in his garden,maybe sunning himself,licking his ball's (as dog's do) generally minding his own business.
Next we have a heroin addict,well known to Gardai,just committed a robbery in broad day wearing a balaclava, on a law abiding citizen going about his job as all normal people do, then tresspases in several private garden's.In one of the garden's a dog start's barking,robber panic's and tries to silence dog by sticking his hand in dog's mouth,as violent pain shoot's up his arm,he think's to himself,not my brightest moment and start's to scream for help,followed by a bowl and bladder movement in quick succcession.
Worst of all the dog now faces a long wait for the results of Hep C and Aids test's which no doubt will be traumatic for both the dog and his family,who by the way have become the latest victim's of the crime wave sweeping the country.
LYNCHWOOD.

allibastor · 20-04-2012 12:05PM

Kolido wrote: »

I appreciate your point. What I was trying to point out is that it could of been anyone who jumped fence. I think the case should be dealt with in that way.
We don't know what provocation took place to justify the attack but I would imagine the guy didn't want to hang around to long with the Gardia in chase.

again i agree in point with you, but a dog has senses to know when something is amiss also. they can sense the heightened stress levels of people and know when something is wrong. my own dog is a retriever and will happily let the kids of the neighborhood use him like a little horse or play with him. but if he hears someone at the garage or walking past at night he will growl. i would say if someone broke in he would attack them somewhat. but he still will let kids pull at him and steal his food and all sorts and has never made a sound.

the last time he bit me was when me and my bro were having a fight. he bit try and bite me then as i was winning. but i would say that was a reaction to a perceived threat. never bit me when i was playing with him, and he does like to wrestle a lot. he even broke his ankle wrestling with me and never made a move to bite, so in short this lad who broke in must have done something to warrant the dog talking his scummy hand.

Dravokivich · 20-04-2012 12:07PM

MungBean wrote: »

Some ring the door bell and some dont. There's plenty of dogs around, some growl, some snap but rarely do they attack. If they do attack you know for certain its a dangerous animal.

Problem there is a result of the actions of the kid. Can't push responsiblity on the dog.

MungBean wrote: »

In this case couldnt be stopped by their owner the police had to pepper spray, what if it was the thief's home and a policeman's hand was taken off ? Well done dog in your role but I'm afraid you need to go bye bye, wicked dogs shouldnt be allowed to be kept as pets. Losing a hand for trespassing which is what the scum did isnt exactly an appropriate punishment.

AFAIK, from watching shows on the TV, if they are trying to aprehend someone on their property and become aware of the presence of a dog, they usually get a handler on the scene to take care of it.

But going by the stereotype of the junkie scum they are attempting to arrest, it'll be taken as is that the dog in that instance was trained to act in such a manner. As a result being no more than a weapon. Your hypothetical situation should result in the dog being put down, but it is far from being on par with the hypothetical situation that Jenny, myself and others responded too in a more thought out manner as opposed to the sensationalist crap you've just put out.

fullstop · 20-04-2012 12:08PM

That article looks like it was written by a pupil in primary school.

CrackisWhack · 20-04-2012 12:10PM

What if the dog escapes? Which can happen every now and then.

cowzerp · 20-04-2012 12:13PM

MungBean wrote: »

Some ring the door bell and some dont. There's plenty of dogs around, some growl, some snap but rarely do they attack. If they do attack you know for certain its a dangerous animal..

So the fact that if someone enters my property against my will and i'd attack does that make me a dangerous person who should be locked up/put down!!

If you have that attitude all dogs should be banned, Ridoncilus to say the least.

allibastor · 20-04-2012 12:13PM

CrackisWhack wrote: »

What if the dog escapes? Which can happen every now and then.

might go looking for the rest of the junkie to get another hit of junkie flesh.

Dravokivich · 20-04-2012 12:13PM

CrackisWhack wrote: »

What if the dog escapes? Which can happen every now and then.

They'll use him as a guide to lead a counter terrorist team retracing the route of escape 30 years later in order to defuse a hostage situation and chemical weapons threat.

CrackisWhack · 20-04-2012 12:19PM

cowzerp wrote: »

So the fact that if someone enters my property against my will and i'd attack does that make me a dangerous person who should be locked up/put down!!

If you have that attitude all dogs should be banned, Ridoncilus to say the least.

Firstly, you can't compare dogs to humans, secondly it's ripped the guys hand off and needed gardai to pepper spray him to stop the attack.

Also this thread would have entirely different comments if it had of been a kid trying to get his football back, which it could have easily been.

Dog halts thief and now faces death

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